Shinda Forever wrote:MisteryOne wrote:Shinda Forever wrote:
Thanks.
DB wasn't always like that. Vegeta became a main character and Frieza came back stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the movie and currently he is stronger than Vegeta. How do you know Toriyama had nothing to do with it?
I'm not a Vegeta hater, i just tell you the truth like when you were arguing that Vegeta was stronger than Frieza and this scan confirmed i was right.
As i always said, i expected Hitto to be in the top 4. Vegeta is going to crush Hitto like a rag doll, probably with a single punch.
Exactly, Hitto is officially a bum, probably he will be eliminated by Dyspo.
DB was ALWAYS like thag. Your examples have nothing to do with what I said. Both Vegeta and Frieza were threated like useless fodder in the next arc they were introduced (Vegeta in his second arc, Namek, and Frieza in his second one, Androids). Vegeta came back on a third arc because the plot needed him to, and that is not Hit's case at all, just like previous enemies didn't returned. Frieza is in fact an exception since as Toriyama said himself, RoF was full of fanservice. He returning this second time can also be another sugestiom from Toei/Shueisha/whoever. Anyway, my point still stands. This is Hit's second arc, if you expected him to still be usefull, then I don't know why you keep watching DB.
How do YOU know Toriyama had something to do with it? We have been told he writes barebones, with only certain scenes being writtwn in detail. Super is a Toei and Toyotaro product, not a Toriyama one. Thwy are who decide everything that happens, as long as it doesn't contradict Toriyama's outlines. Are you seriously expecting people to believe that Toriyama wrote specifically "Hit is too OP in the anime, nerf him to manga level". It's a nonsense. If anything, maybe, I repeat, maybe, he wrote that Hit would have problems with Dyspo and Goku would help him. In that case, again, Toei is the only one to blame since they didn't hype Dyspo enough. Toriyama has nothing to do with it. If you are just annoyed because he doesn't (seem to) have plans for Hit on the future, again, this is how DB works. Every second arc for an old rival makes him look like fodder. There isn't a single exception to that rule, specially in the Super anime version.
No, DB wasn't ALWAYS LIKE THAT. Tenshinhan wasn't fodder in the 23 budokai neither Piccolo when he fought Goku in the same tournament or when Goku and Piccolo fought against Raditz. Hitto was ssj blue level in the anime and he did quite well in the rematch against Goku. Toriyama is writing the outlines to both anime and manga, therefore, he must be held accountable when Hitto who was nerfed in the manga is now being nerfed in the anime as well, because, Toyataro is sending them outlines about what he is doing in the manga meaning that they want anime and manga to converge together.
Toei cannot be blamed since they hyped Hitto to ssj blue level while Toriyama and Toyataro nerfed Hitto to ssj God level, why do you think ssjG is returning to the anime?
What? Tenshinhan was fodder in the 23rd Budokai. Nobody was worth shit to Goku and Piccolo. Just like how in the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo ended up being shit to Goku and Vegeta there, or how Vegeta was shit to Goku and Freeza in the next saga, or how even Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo are all shit to Gohan and Cell, and how Vegeta, Cell, and Piccolo are shit to Boo, everyone is shit to Beerus, then comes in Hitto who Vegeta is shit to, and now we're in this saga, where Hitto is no longer the major adversary. The likelihood of Hitto being fodder to the top dogs by the end of this saga is high as fuck. DB WAS and still IS always like that. I don't know why it's so hard to understand. A major rival introduced in one saga looks incredibly amazing, but they're fodder to the the top dogs in the next saga. Hell, they're not even just fodder to the top dogs, they might not even be able to beat characters weaker than the main adversary (in the 23rd, Ten was weaker than Kami, Piccolo was weaker than Raditz, and then later Nappa, Vegeta was weaker than Zarbon and then even Recoome). Now where here in this current saga and there are several characters in Hitto's weight class and possibly higher. This formula (whether you like it or not is up to you) has been ongoing for a damn long time in DB.
As for the whole SSG thing, I'm personally not dwelling into that, as I find that a bizarre choice altogether.
,why is he using this,could it be he have the same strategy of Vegeta in the manga or for something else 
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