"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[emperior]

I don't like that two base theory will be done for..
But on the other hand, we might get Goku saying they have been turning hod power on and off in base for a while now, and straight up just using SSG is something they just mastered..
This would make all the "inconsistencies" a conscious decision on Goku's part

They could fix all power scaling problems but they probably won't. The best way would be for someone (Beerus would be best) to wonder "Didn't Goku absorb SSG's power" and Goku/whatever to address that he did, but then he learned with Vegeta in the ROSAT to control all the energy to unlock SSG and have God Ki. Would also finally give some more meaning to their ROSAT training. And they could have a flashback to show Goku and Vegeta turn SSG in their RoF Gi. Which would be cool I guess.

[JulieYBM]

God may as well be used if they're going to use the others forms.

[Cetra]

They could fix all power scaling problems but they probably won't. The best way would be for someone (Beerus would be best) to wonder "Didn't Goku absorb SSG's power" and Goku/whatever to address that he did, but then he learned with Vegeta in the ROSAT to control all the energy to unlock SSG and have God Ki. Would also finally give some more meaning to their ROSAT training. And they could have a flashback to show Goku and Vegeta turn SSG in their RoF Gi. Which would be cool I guess.

Why would they even have Beerus say that. Goku absorbed the power and used it as a SSJ - and then a few minutes after once more used his SSJG to block the attack of Beerus. We already know SSJG can reappear even with absorbed power for SSJ. He already did it. No matter for how long.

[Ki Breaker]

God may as well be used if they're going to use the others forms.

They need to make some forms worthless and seriously not access them anymore..
For informed fans, forms make sense in why they are what they are, but for a casual fan, Goku just has waay to many transformations..
They tried doing it once with SS and Blue being the only two, but nope..

[perucho1990]

I think this is a sign Toyotaro will take over the franchise, what will be next? Hakai? Gamma Burst Flash?

[The gr]

AT decided to use super saiyan god again,probably he realized the form is underutilized

[Lord Beerus]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with a good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

[Jigurashi]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

Best case would probably be to tie it into this supposed new form Goku is getting later this saga.

[Lord Beerus]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

Best case would probably be to tie it into this supposed new form Goku is getting later this saga.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The return of SSJG now seems far too convenient with them teasing about Goku's new form. SSJG is definitely tied into it.

[Ki Breaker]

Damn, everyone likes SSG a lot..
It's a neutral form for me.. Goku looks odd as SSG.. I dare say, kinda cutesy as well..

[Cetra]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

Best case would probably be to tie it into this supposed new form Goku is getting later this saga.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The return of SSJG now seems far too convenient with them teasing about Goku's new form. SSJG is definitely tied into it.

He probably combo'd the advantages of SSJG and SSJB and then this will later also be his new form. And now stack Kaiouken on top of that.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with a good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

If they make it weaker than SSB I wont really get it. He seems to be able to control his strength output very well in SSB and I cant imagine SSG has less energy drain in the anime or like you said...why hasnt he used it?

If I were to make it stronger it wont really make sense either. Since hes had it all along we cant even say the ritual doesnt unlock its full power and now hes obtained it.

Its sad because like I said earlier, visually its my favorite form.

[Sonicjamareiz]

I think this is a sign Toyotaro will take over the franchise, what will be next? Hakai? Gamma Burst Flash?

I would fucking love that I always assume thats what Vegena was doing in the ROSAT to learn new techniques.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Also FWIW its never stated he absorbed the power. If he said that there would be no doubt about the two base theory. Youd know Goku has God Ki in base.

It was merely said his body learned from the experience. That could mean after experiencing God Ki his regular forms were somehow temporarily producing the same amount of Ki, non godly. We have seen now you dont NEED God Ki to compete with it. Its just an added boost.

Real world example...if you take certain drugs chemicals in your brain change. Your brain can actually stop making as much or make more of a certain chemical even after youve stopped taking the drug containing it.

That is my new theory. His body simply temporarily adapted.

[Lionel]

Some are proposing that the SSJG form would be inherently more mobile as it decreases the mass of the user unlike SSJB. Power almost universally correlates to greater speed though. Wasn't it assumed that SSJB was a stronger form? Goku and Vegeta's muscle tone didn't become exaggeratedly cumbersome like grades 2 or 3. A speed decrease would have been noted. Furthermore, if you were to retroactively apply this logic to the original manga then Goku must have been weighed down to some degree against Freeza compared to later usages of Super Saiyan as the definition of his muscles was certainly big.

[sintzu]

I guess it's a good thing the manga never stopped using it cause it'll be more natural to see it there during the tournament, the anime on the other hand...

[Totamo]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

Best case would probably be to tie it into this supposed new form Goku is getting later this saga.

Ok, but what about the other 3 arcs. Thats my issue with this.


We saw Goku absorbed the form, Beerus says he absorbs it so why does he still have it? I defend a lot of stuff about the anime and the manga, and I defended it in the manga when a lot of people called it fanservice because it still made sense. It did not make sense when Vegeta got it.


People are going to be confused, and when they get confused they get mad. The dragon ball fanbase is not one that takes confusion lightly.

[Zamasu55]

For god's sake Toshio, shut up. What a waste.

[Basako]

Some are proposing that the SSJG form would be inherently more mobile as it decreases the mass of the user unlike SSJB. Power almost universally correlates to greater speed though. Wasn't it assumed that SSJB was a stronger form? Goku and Vegeta's muscle tone didn't become exaggeratedly cumbersome like grades 2 or 3. A speed decrease would have been noted. Furthermore, if you were to retroactively apply this logic to the original manga then Goku must have been weighed down to some degree against Freeza compared to later usages of Super Saiyan as the definition of his muscles was certainly big.

You said it, almost. The exception is the USS with a different body type that makes it lose speed. In this case, we have the different body too, but to the other direction, so it may have better movility too. Just theorizing. Apart the stamina problem. But it's weaker, otherwise it would be better.

[Cetra]

We saw Goku absorbed the form, Beerus says he absorbs it so why does he still have it?

Were you also confused when he once more transformed into SSJG to block Beerus' attack?