"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with a good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

If they make it weaker than SSB I wont really get it. He seems to be able to control his strength output very well in SSB and I cant imagine SSG has less energy drain in the anime or like you said...why hasnt he used it?

If I were to make it stronger it wont really make sense either. Since hes had it all along we cant even say the ritual doesnt unlock its full power and now hes obtained it.

Its sad because like I said earlier, visually its my favorite form.

Logically speaking, SSJG has to be weaker than SSJB. SSJB is basically the evolution of SSJG and the superior form. As stated many times. It wouldn't make much sense for SSJG to be all of sudden stronger than SSJB.

[Ki Breaker]

I guess it's a good thing the manga never stopped using it cause it'll be more natural to see it there during the tournament, the anime on the other hand...

There would probably be a one liner on why they didn't use it till now..
But anything they say is sure to cause problems, for instance, if SSB has such great stamina drain and they had SSG all along in this tournament, why didn't they just use that to overpower trio the dangers beam? Why go blue as many times as they did during the tournament..

[Cetra]

Maybe they liked Toyble's DBAF idea of switching between forms in the battle so much - which he also used in his Super manga - that they make Goku do that.

[TheMikado]

I don't like SSG but I like it more than SSB. Can't wait to hear the explanation for this.. So this would basically confirm that anyone Goku went SSB against is above SSG?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with a good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

If they make it weaker than SSB I wont really get it. He seems to be able to control his strength output very well in SSB and I cant imagine SSG has less energy drain in the anime or like you said...why hasnt he used it?

If I were to make it stronger it wont really make sense either. Since hes had it all along we cant even say the ritual doesnt unlock its full power and now hes obtained it.

Its sad because like I said earlier, visually its my favorite form.

Logically speaking, SSJG has to be weaker than SSJB. SSJB is basically the evolution of SSJG and the superior form. As stated many times. It wouldn't make much sense for SSJG to be all of sudden stronger than SSJB.

It should be weaker but as others have said it just makes the use less than spectacular and makes Blue even more confusing to me personally. It seems Goku output SSG levels of power by controling his Ki and supressing. If he can do that as I've assumed why bother using SSG? Fan service?

If it is stronger, and I know it wont be I just like hypothetical situations, Id like them to somehow add that the ritual doesnt unlock the full potential of SSG. It would be a lame answer in some ways but so was holding hands to make a God.

[Lord Beerus]

I guess it's a good thing the manga never stopped using it cause it'll be more natural to see it there during the tournament, the anime on the other hand...

There would probably be a one liner on why they didn't use it till now..
But anything they say is sure to cause problems, for instance, if SSB has such great stamina drain and they had SSG all along in this tournament, why didn't they just use that to overpower trio the dangers beam? Why go blue as many times as they did during the tournament..

My guess is that SSJG still has the time limit crutch attached. And the more power you use for the form, the less time you have left to use it. And since they are teasing a new form for Goku, my guess is that he wanted to save as much time as possible when it comes to tapping into the SSJG power.

[Totamo]

We saw Goku absorbed the form, Beerus says he absorbs it so why does he still have it?

Were you also confused when he once more transformed into SSJG to block Beerus' attack?

No, I was when he went SUPER SAIYAN AND STILL KEPT UP WITH BEERUS!

That happened.


If It happens, which I'm still not saying it is until I see it, then it opens up a big question? Why didn't Goku used the form before this arc? The manga used it, in fact it overuses it.

[Totamo]

Maybe they liked Toyble's DBAF idea of switching between forms in the battle so much - which he also used in his Super manga - that they make Goku do that.

That was Vegeta.

[Cetra]

We saw Goku absorbed the form, Beerus says he absorbs it so why does he still have it?

Were you also confused when he once more transformed into SSJG to block Beerus' attack?

No, I was when he went SUPER SAIYAN AND STILL KEPT UP WITH BEERUS!

That happened.

You know that's not all that happened and that afterwards he transformed once more? So he absorbed the power but still was able to go god mode.

Maybe they liked Toyble's DBAF idea of switching between forms in the battle so much - which he also used in his Super manga - that they make Goku do that.

That was Vegeta.

"That they make Goku do that" -> in the future -> in the tournament. Nothing about "that was wasn't Vegeta but Goku". I did not say Vegeta was not the one in both of Toyble's manga. He was. The Goku part was a reference to the future episodes.

[ArchedThunder]

For god's sake Toshio, shut up. What a waste.

The hell is your problem? People wanted to know if an officially released episode description had an error or not and he answered.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I will say I look forward to seeing the form again. It gives off a sort of mystical vibe that makes it feel godly. SSB looks underwhelming in the godly category.

Of course thats just my opinion.

[Lord Beerus]

If they make it weaker than SSB I wont really get it. He seems to be able to control his strength output very well in SSB and I cant imagine SSG has less energy drain in the anime or like you said...why hasnt he used it?

If I were to make it stronger it wont really make sense either. Since hes had it all along we cant even say the ritual doesnt unlock its full power and now hes obtained it.

Its sad because like I said earlier, visually its my favorite form.

Logically speaking, SSJG has to be weaker than SSJB. SSJB is basically the evolution of SSJG and the superior form. As stated many times. It wouldn't make much sense for SSJG to be all of sudden stronger than SSJB.

It should be weaker but as others have said it just makes the use less than spectacular and makes Blue even more confusing to me personally. It seems Goku output SSG levels of power by controling his Ki and supressing. If he can do that as I've assumed why bother using SSG? Fan service?

If it is stronger, and I know it wont be I just like hypothetical situations, Id like them to somehow add that the ritual doesnt unlock the full potential of SSG. It would be a lame answer in some ways but so was holding hands to make a God.

My guess is that it took a looooooooooooong time for Goku to re-learn how to tap into the power of SSJG on its own regard beyond short bursts, like we saw against Beerus in the BOG arc, against Hit in the Champa arc and against Copy Vegeta on Planet Potaufeu. And it was only very recently he was able to tap into the full strength of SSJG for a sustained amount of time.

[Xeztin]

Hmmm. So SSG is coming back, wonder how they will explain this one.

[Jigurashi]

I think this is a sign Toyotaro will take over the franchise, what will be next? Hakai? Gamma Burst Flash?

I would fucking love that I always assume thats what Vegena was doing in the ROSAT to learn new techniques.

I kinda would dislike that only because it isn't anything new. Just an even more powerful ki blast attack with a different name. Why can't these people give him a unique technique already?

Hmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about SSJG coming back. I really liked the SSJG form and I think that it should have lasted longer in the story. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder why Goku never bothered to use the form at any point until now. Whatever the case may be, they have to be super detailed and specific about how and why Goku is using SSJG now. They better have come up with good explanation for this or it will retroactively ruin a hell of a lot of the story in Super so far. This also absolutely kills the two base theory dead.

Best case would probably be to tie it into this supposed new form Goku is getting later this saga.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. The return of SSJG now seems far too convenient with them teasing about Goku's new form. SSJG is definitely tied into it.

It really is quite convenient that SSG would be brought back now of all times. I just can't think of any other way it could make sense to bring it back now unless it had something to do with the form Goku's getting later on.

[GTx10]

Are we sure Toshio understands the question? Whether it's (red) God form or SSBLUE form? I understand a picture is provided for him but maybe to him "God" is a umbrella term for SSBlue and SSGod. I'm speculating here of course. Personally I'm cool with SSGod form coming back. Shocked, but cool with it.

[God Movement]

Are we sure Toshio understands the question? Whether it's (red) God form or SSBLUE form? I understand a picture is provided for him but maybe to him "God" is a umbrella term for SSBlue and SSGod. I'm speculating here of course. Personally I'm cool with SSGod form coming back. Shocked, but cool with it.

Come on. He isn't an idiot. He knows what he's talking about. SSJG is coming back.

[Jigurashi]

Are we sure Toshio understands the question? Whether it's (red) God form or SSBLUE form? I understand a picture is provided for him but maybe to him "God" is a umbrella term for SSBlue and SSGod. I'm speculating here of course. Personally I'm cool with SSGod form coming back. Shocked, but cool with it.

I think he knows quite well the difference between the two and understands the question enough to answer. He seemed real confident in his answer, plus with the fact he wore a Goku shirt saying SSG, and went on to say it was no error, SSG is returning. He seems to know the difference between the two.

[BlueBasilisk]

My guess is that SSJG still has the time limit crutch attached. And the more power you use for the form, the less time you have left to use it. And since they are teasing a new form for Goku, my guess is that he wanted to save as much time as possible when it comes to tapping into the SSJG power.

I'm not sure God does have a time limit in the anime. Shenron never mentions that it's temporary like he does in the movie. When Goku loses the form and turns into his normal Super Saiyan form Whis speculates that his time must have run out, but when he's still able to keep up with Beerus, Beerus says that he didn't lose the form because of a time limit, but because it had been incorporated into his very being. Then something about God's glow burning inside him or some such.

Having three different versions of the same events is so damn confusing.

This makes me wonder if we might see Kaioken Blue in the manga's ToP.

[Totamo]

Were you also confused when he once more transformed into SSJG to block Beerus' attack?

No, I was when he went SUPER SAIYAN AND STILL KEPT UP WITH BEERUS!

That happened.

You know that's not all that happened and that afterwards he transformed once more? So he absorbed the power but still was able to go god mode.

Maybe they liked Toyble's DBAF idea of switching between forms in the battle so much - which he also used in his Super manga - that they make Goku do that.

That was Vegeta.

"That they make Goku do that" -> in the future -> in the tournament. Nothing about "that was wasn't Vegeta but Goku". I did not say Vegeta was not the one in both of Toyble's manga. He was. The Goku part was a reference to the future episodes.

of course that isn't all that happened, but the point is.


this feels forced.

[Totamo]

Are we sure Toshio understands the question? Whether it's (red) God form or SSBLUE form? I understand a picture is provided for him but maybe to him "God" is a umbrella term for SSBlue and SSGod. I'm speculating here of course. Personally I'm cool with SSGod form coming back. Shocked, but cool with it.

Come on. He isn't an idiot. He knows what he's talking about. SSJG is coming back.

He is not fluent in English and i using google translate.