"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

I wonder if some will quit Super forever because of this.

Because of what?

[JazzMazz]

Instead we just have to accept the fact that Hit, someone that has actually been established as a threat to the audience, and who has a reputation as an infamous assassin, is going to lose to an seemingly inept nobody, that doesn't even have a reputation in their own universe, much less others.

I don't really see the problem, not every threat needs to be introduced as one. Hit's opponent doesn't need to be introduced as a badass to give Hit trouble, in fact, this only goes into how unpredictable the tournament has been so far. A character getting built up is starting to be a reason to see that they're going to be defeated.

You're missing my point, I'm fine with characters not being introduced as a threat, however, if they are actually going to be a threat later down the line, then establishing them in the series as someone who is actually relevant is important, and part of making them feel relevant, is by not having them lose to some random monster. Am I making myself clear.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Lmao this is so satisfying to watch the people who claimed SSG was against Toriyama's vision

a) Toriyama explicitly said Goku wouldn't go SSG again.
b) Toriyama wanted to end BoG with regular SS.
c) SSG hadn't been seen since BoG arc in the anime.

So it wasn't a claim.

Why is everyone so sure there will even BE a new form in this arc? I honestly don't understand.

a) Tease in the OP.
b) The key visual of Goku clearly depicts him in the midst of transforming.
c) The key visual said “Here god’s work/technique was brought to the limit”
d) The producer teases "It depicts Goku as he tries to break new ground..." "...What sort of formidable foes are in store?! How will Goku battle them?! And what new ground will he break?!"
e) Toshio indirectly spilled the beans and said Goku does get a new form through his not so good English.

Why would Toei go through so much trouble if it's not a new form?

[JazzMazz]

I wonder if some will quit Super forever because of this.

I highly doubt people that have gotten this far into the series would quit because of something as trivial as this. I'm fairly certain that the people who are watching the show currently are here to stay(unfortunately that includes me ).

[precita]

I see people vowing to quit watching Super forever almost every week. Yet they are still around.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Except lots of people are complaining...
Toyotaro said the anime would be taking more from him, so I wonder if this is one of those things.

He said he'd be sending some stuff back to the anime staff, I'm inclined to believe he meant character designs. There is no way he had all what 5 remaining Black arc chapters done and moved on to and ahead in the ToP well before the anime arc started in Feb. He probably drew for the PV but was probably spending most time designing new characters.

Instead we just have to accept the fact that Hit, someone that has actually been established as a threat to the audience, and who has a reputation as an infamous assassin, is going to lose to an seemingly inept nobody, that doesn't even have a reputation in their own universe, much less others.

I don't really see the problem, not every threat needs to be introduced as one. Hit's opponent doesn't need to be introduced as a badass to give Hit trouble, in fact, this only goes into how unpredictable the tournament has been so far. A character getting built up is starting to be a reason to see that they're going to be defeated.

You're missing my point, I'm fine with characters not being introduced as a threat, however, if they are actually going to be a threat later down the line, then establishing them in the series as someone who is actually relevant is important, and part of making them feel relevant, is by not having them lose to some random monster. Am I making myself clear.

I think you are getting worked up based on very little... The episode with the actual context hasn't even aired yet and you're going off of a couple line summary? Where said summaries have a history of being vaugue and misguiding.

And besides Hit is already nerfed due the no killing rule anyway, considering there is more of an emphasis on that here than the U6 arc Hit is no doubt going to have to be more careful.

[JazzMazz]

Except lots of people are complaining...
Toyotaro said the anime would be taking more from him, so I wonder if this is one of those things.

He said he'd be sending some stuff back to the anime staff, I'm inclined to believe he meant character designs.

I don't really see the problem, not every threat needs to be introduced as one. Hit's opponent doesn't need to be introduced as a badass to give Hit trouble, in fact, this only goes into how unpredictable the tournament has been so far. A character getting built up is starting to be a reason to see that they're going to be defeated.

You're missing my point, I'm fine with characters not being introduced as a threat, however, if they are actually going to be a threat later down the line, then establishing them in the series as someone who is actually relevant is important, and part of making them feel relevant, is by not having them lose to some random monster. Am I making myself clear.

I think you are getting worked up based on very little... The episode with the actual context hasn't even aired yet and you're going off of a couple line summary? Where said summaries have a history of being vaugue and misguiding.

And besides Hit is already nerfed due the no killing rule anyway, considering there is more of an emphasis on that here than the U6 arc Hit is no doubt going to have to be more careful.

Yeah, I guess I am getting worked up about this. It just feels like there could have been better ways of handling a guy that is supposedly going to one-sidely pummel Hit(who I have grown slightly fond of during the assassination arc). I think it would have been better if Dsypo, like Jiren, simply didn't appear in the recruitment arc, or that we actually didn't see him action.

I'll with-hold further judgement till when the episode actually airs, and then I'll either be content, or just repeat these earlier criticisms.

[TheMikado]

Except lots of people are complaining...
Toyotaro said the anime would be taking more from him, so I wonder if this is one of those things.

He said he'd be sending some stuff back to the anime staff, I'm inclined to believe he meant character designs.

You're missing my point, I'm fine with characters not being introduced as a threat, however, if they are actually going to be a threat later down the line, then establishing them in the series as someone who is actually relevant is important, and part of making them feel relevant, is by not having them lose to some random monster. Am I making myself clear.

I think you are getting worked up based on very little... The episode with the actual context hasn't even aired yet and you're going off of a couple line summary? Where said summaries have a history of being vaugue and misguiding.

And besides Hit is already nerfed due the no killing rule anyway, considering there is more of an emphasis on that here than the U6 arc Hit is no doubt going to have to be more careful.

Yeah, I guess I am getting worked up about this. It just feels like there could have been better ways of handling a guy that is supposedly going to one-sidely pummel Hit(who I have grown slightly fond of during the assassination arc). I think it would have been better if Dsypo, like Jiren, simply didn't appear in the recruitment arc, or that we actually didn't see him action.

I'll with-hold further judgement till when the episode actually airs, and then I'll either be content, or just repeat these earlier criticisms.

Just so you know, you arent imagining things. The build up and tension pales in comparison to any DB show preceding it. The power scaling is a mess. I have no real comment on this in particular, and even if it did occur I fairly immune to the poor foreshadowing and writing at this point anyway. As I've said before, everyone has their breaking point. For me DB was in decline since the introduction of the God forms, RoF further dampened my hopes, and the Champa arc was the nail in the coffin for me. Future Trunks return made me hate the series. The point I'm making is the decline is slow and over several arcs as you realize there is a consistent pattern to the inconsistency and quality of writing. At this point try not to think about it too much and enjoy it for what it is.

[emperior]

I see people vowing to quit watching Super forever almost every week. Yet they are still around.

Didn't most of the people who are still vowing to quit already quit back after episode 66, 67 and 100?

[Kanassa]

I wonder if some will quit Super forever because of this.

Something something something cheating weak-back camel whores, right?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

For those that like the key visual for the arc:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Who said GT and Super can't get along...?:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

And here is some horrible pormo art for you all to start your day off looking at!:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
That SS4 Goku...

[JazzMazz]

And here is some horrible pormo art for you all to start your day off looking at!:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
That SS4 Goku...

I think everyone would have preferred if you didn't share that promo art. Well, at least they're merchandising well.

[TheMikado]

For those that like the key visual for the arc:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Who said GT and Super can't get along...?:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

And here is some horrible pormo art for you all to start your day off looking at!:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
That SS4 Goku...

Hahaha, I keep telling you guys GT isnt going anywhere. It makes too much money by them doing virtually nothing at all. Its literal free money.

[TheMikado]

I see people vowing to quit watching Super forever almost every week. Yet they are still around.

Didn't most of the people who are still vowing to quit already quit back after episode 66, 67 and 100?

I decided Super wasn't for me during the Trunks arc but only vowed to quit if I wasn't satisfied with the universal arc. I will be quitting the anime following the arc, as I barely watch it now and sometimes takes a few weeks for me to catch up because I often skip weeks now. Unless there is a major direction change following this arc I'll only catch it in passing and just stay current with the manga.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Hahaha, I keep telling you guys GT isnt going anywhere. It makes too much money by them doing virtually nothing at all. Its literal free money.

That is why DB doesn't have a defined canon and never will.

And here is some horrible pormo art for you all to start your day off looking at!:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
That SS4 Goku...

I think everyone would have preferred if you didn't share that promo art. Well, at least they're merchandising well.

Haha , I am just amazed this guy keeps getting work and big work at that, Bandai's Premium Carddass art festival set of cards was done by him, the good promo artist has gone a bit quite lately. The crap promo artist went quite for a while too but he is back with a resurgence now... I don't get surely someone can notice how garbage these are?

[sintzu]

I wonder if some will quit Super forever because of this.

Out of all the things Super has done, bringing back an old form is the worst ? You'll have people complain and say they're going to but they won't.

In terms of the form, this is why I like the manga better, it's just more consistant. Now the anime is going to have to explain somehow why just now they've decided to use it. Is it because Blue takes too much power ? if that's the case then why did they use it for stupid things like baseball ? What about Vegeta, how'd he get it without using the ritual ? it's just going to be another inconsistancy with the anime.

I keep telling you guys GT isnt going anywhere.

Of course it's not, I think sooner or later they'll tie it into Super somehow.

[JazzMazz]

I wonder if some will quit Super forever because of this.

Out of all the things Super has done, bringing back an old form is the worst ? You'll have people complain and say they're going to but they won't.

In terms of the form, this is why I like the manga better, it's just more consistant. Now the anime is going to have to explain somehow why just now they've decided to use it. Is it because Blue takes too much power ? if that's the case then why did they use it for stupid things like baseball ? What about Vegeta, how'd he get it without using the ritual ? it's just going to be another inconsistancy with the anime.

I keep telling you guys GT isnt going anywhere.

Of course it's not, I think sooner or later they'll tie it into Super somehow.

Though I don't think they'll tie GT into Super (I least hope not), I honestly have to ask you if think Super is actually going to answer any of your questions? All I expect is for Goku to suddenly go SSG, then say something stupid that will have fans in craze, and then continue fighting like it doesn't mean anything(I'll be pleasantly surprised if this isn't the case).

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In terms of the form, this is why I like the manga better, it's just more consistant. Now the anime is going to have to explain somehow why just now they've decided to use it. Is it because Blue takes too much power ? if that's the case then why did they use it for stupid things like baseball ? What about Vegeta, how'd he get it without using the ritual ? it's just going to be another inconsistancy with the anime.

The Manga the BoG retelling was completely different so God as a form made sense in Toyo continuity. I agree the anime is too problematic unless they mention the time limit thing is still in effect which made using it redundant given SSGSS. Vegeta I can guarantee will not use SSG in the anime, only Goku will use it, SSG was designed specially for Goku, I think they won't comment anything on Vegeta at all.

[sintzu]

Though I don't think they'll tie GT into Super (I least hope not).

I honestly have to ask you if think Super is actually going to answer any of your questions ?

You could be right but I wouldn't be surprised if we got something like it's an alternate timeline or something.

Look at Trunks, he got a new form and technique yet everyone acted like it was normal and didn't question it so chances are the same thing will happen here. Or we could get a writer who cares about detail and give an answer that makes totel sense.

The Manga BoG retelling was completely different so God as a form made sense in Toyo continuity.

I agree the anime is too problematic unless they mention the time limit thing is still in effect which made using it redundant given SSGSS.

Vegeta I can guarantee will not use SSG in the anime, only Goku will use it, SSG was designed specially for Goku, I think they won't comment anything on Vegeta at all.

Even without that, if you read the new arcs after the movies it makes sense cause BOG showed Goku fall back into it for a short time and no one was surprised about Vegeta going Blue in RF which means he probably did the ritual.

They're going to have to come up with something better cause if they could use it this whole time why wasn't it ever brought up ?

A lot of people said this when Goku used it against Hit and ended up being wrong so I wouldn't bet against it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Even without that, if you read the new arcs after the movies it makes sense cause BOG showed Goku fall back into it for a short time and no one was surprised about Vegeta going Blue in RF which means he probably did the ritual.

They're going to have to come up with something better cause if they could use it this whole time why wasn't it ever brought up ?

A lot of people said this when Goku used it against Hit and ended up being wrong so I wouldn't bet against it.

That is primarily the issue I have as well especially given Goku as already used SSGSS 3 times in the tournament alone! You are right they will roll like nothing happened, I doubt we'd get anything close to a satisfying explanation. I told everyone when Trunks went Ikari not to expect an explanation and we didn't get anything close and in turn I wasn't bothered about it because I expected it, this is all about managing expectations.