"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jigurashi]

Is that a good or bad thing?

Well, current Toei mentality is basically like the WWE(main priority is the money over what the fans want).

That isn't necessarily mutually exclusive though. The overlap exists.

[Cetra]

Regardless of how they'll treat GT in the future for a fact we know Super will not link in with it.

This is a show that in and on itself logically cannot - should not - exist with plotholes (e.g. Cell's core) that can only be explained through meaningless fan explanations and in the way still is the way it is. That is because shows actually can very well exist this way. If Toei wants to say it is, then it is. We should not use the word "know" wrong here. Fiction is fiction. All they need to do is making it happen, regardless of what it looks like.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Is that a good or bad thing?

Well, current Toei mentality is basically like the WWE(main priority is the money over what the fans want).

And how exactly are you measuring "what fans want"? Last time I checked making money shows they're doing what the fans want otherwise they wouldn't be making money... People like us discussing the show on the internet it is a fraction of the people who watch the show.

[precita]

GT cannot fit into Super's canon at all. It's completely impossible:

- Goku and Vegeta never use Super Saiyan God again, and Super Saiyan 4 comes out of nowhere

- Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again, which would make no sense

- Gohan goes Super Saiyan again, seemingly losing his Ultimate form once more

- Beerus/Whis and all other universes are of course never mentioned or exist

- The Super 17 arc flat out destroys all of Android 17's development as a family man and park ranger

- Bebi and other super-powered warriors in Universe 7 like Ledgic or Rilldo makes no sense because Buu was the strongest being in their universe, there shouldn't be anyone above him

- Freeza is seemingly back in Hell again, and has no golden form

- Emperor Pilaf, Shoe and Mai are now really old like they aged regularly instead of little kids or adults (which they would be if they age like the rest of the kids)

- Trunks and Mai are not dating nor are they a couple, which doesn't fit into the current timeline


It can't fit in.

[Cetra]

GT cannot fit into Super's canon at all. It's completely impossible:

- Goku and Vegeta never use Super Saiyan God again, and Super Saiyan 4 comes out of nowhere

- Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again, which would make no sense

- Gohan goes Super Saiyan again, seemingly losing his Ultimate form once more

- Beerus/Whis and all other universes are of course never mentioned or exist

- The Super 17 arc flat out destroys all of Android 17's development as a family man and park ranger

- Bebi and other super-powered warriors in Universe 7 like Ledgic or Rilldo makes no sense because Buu was the strongest being in their universe, there shouldn't be anyone above him

- Freeza is seemingly back in Hell again, and has no golden form

- Emperor Pilaf, Shoe and Mai are now really old like they aged regularly instead of little kids or adults (which they would be if they age like the rest of the kids)

- Trunks and Mai are not dating nor are they a couple, which doesn't fit into the current timeline


It can't fit in.

Almost nothing of that stuff makes things impossible. "Is not shown" has nothing to do with anything not being possible. Also Mai and Trunks are not an actual couple, like, really really.

GT isn't canon, period.

Considering a) "canon" isn't an adjective and b) Dragon Ball has no defined canonicity you are right. Considering what you are out for, you are wrong. So the "period" was uncalled for.

[Grimlock]

- all other universes are of course never mentioned or exist

Not that it is necessary to refer to other Universes if all the sagas doesn't ask for other Universes.

- Bebi and other super-powered warriors in Universe 7 like Ledgic or Rilldo makes no sense because Buu was the strongest being in their universe, there shouldn't be anyone above him

Is it said that Ledgic was stronger than Buu? Can't remember, but as for Rildo, does Goku say he's stronger or equal to Buu? Nonetheless, Baby was possessing Rildo, so it's not like Rildo himself was stronger than Buu.

- Trunks and Mai are not dating nor are they a couple, which doesn't fit into the current timeline

I'm pretty sure exists freedom in Dragon Ball, therefore, they can break up right?

Don't get me wrong, Dragon Ball GT doesn't fit with anything else and therefore it takes place in another dimension. But these "excuses" I quoted just don't make sense if you're really trying to prove the anime doesn't fit.

[omaro34]

Regarding what everyone else is here saying, I feel like Super's writing is currently kind of stuck in this 10 year period. In order to expand, in my opinion its better to get out of this ten year time frame. Judging from how Goten and Trunks look though, we are still at the start of this period. I don't think they will be out of this period after the ToP, but I hope its after the arc after that.

[perucho1990]

And how exactly are you measuring "what fans want"? Last time I checked making money shows they're doing what the fans want otherwise they wouldn't be making money... People like us discussing the show on the internet it is a fraction of the people who watch the show.

Thats what I meant, Toei preferes merchandise sales over what the Hardcore fans want. Thats also how the WWE runs their business, they also tend to ignore what the Smarks/Smart fans/Internet fans think.

For example, hardcore fans wanting Z Goku back, blood, gore, etc.

[Loputousu]

GT cannot fit into Super's canon at all. It's completely impossible:

- Goku and Vegeta never use Super Saiyan God again, and Super Saiyan 4 comes out of nowhere

- Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again, which would make no sense

- Gohan goes Super Saiyan again, seemingly losing his Ultimate form once more

- Beerus/Whis and all other universes are of course never mentioned or exist

- The Super 17 arc flat out destroys all of Android 17's development as a family man and park ranger

- Bebi and other super-powered warriors in Universe 7 like Ledgic or Rilldo makes no sense because Buu was the strongest being in their universe, there shouldn't be anyone above him

- Freeza is seemingly back in Hell again, and has no golden form

- Emperor Pilaf, Shoe and Mai are now really old like they aged regularly instead of little kids or adults (which they would be if they age like the rest of the kids)

- Trunks and Mai are not dating nor are they a couple, which doesn't fit into the current timeline


It can't fit in.

Almost nothing of that stuff makes things impossible. "Is not shown" has nothing to do with anything not being possible. Also Mai and Trunks are not an actual couple, like, really really.

Maybe not literally impossible, but it would make absolutely no sense. GT isn't canon, period.

[BlueBasilisk]

Is it said that Ledgic was stronger than Buu? Can't remember, but as for Rildo, does Goku say he's stronger or equal to Buu? Nonetheless, Baby was possessing Rildo, so it's not like Rildo himself was stronger than Buu.

Ledgic no, but Goku does say that Rilldo is stronger than Buu the first time they fight, which is before Baby is activated.

[Grimlock]

Ledgic no, but Goku does say that Rilldo is stronger than Buu the first time they fight, which is before Baby is activated.

Before? This is so weird. I have in my mind a clear image of Baby popping out of Rildo's body after their battle. I actually tried to find videos on Youtube but none has the part of the comparison.

[Cetra]

Ledgic no, but Goku does say that Rilldo is stronger than Buu the first time they fight, which is before Baby is activated.

Before? This is so weird. I have in my mind a clear image of Baby popping out of Rildo's body after their battle. I actually tried to find videos on Youtube but none has the part of the comparison.

There is no problem with people being stronger than Boo about 15 years after he was fought. Its not like 17 and Freeza with their incredible strength boost are a problem either.

[BlueBasilisk]

Ledgic no, but Goku does say that Rilldo is stronger than Buu the first time they fight, which is before Baby is activated.

Before? This is so weird. I have in my mind a clear image of Baby popping out of Rildo's body after their battle. I actually tried to find videos on Youtube but none has the part of the comparison.

The show gets weird around this part. Goku fights Rilldo on Planet M-2, lets himself get captured and taken to Myuu's lab as part of Trunks' plan which is when Baby is activated and escapes. Then Goku, Trunks and Pan go back to M-2, are attacked by Rilldo who was hiding under their ship and nonchalantly blow him away. That's when Baby pops out of his body. Baby has offscreen villain teleportation for a few episodes and somehow always manages to be wherever the heroes are going before they can get there.

[precita]

Is it said that Ledgic was stronger than Buu? Can't remember, but as for Rildo, does Goku say he's stronger or equal to Buu? Nonetheless, Baby was possessing Rildo, so it's not like Rildo himself was stronger than Buu.

Ledgic no, but Goku does say that Rilldo is stronger than Buu the first time they fight, which is before Baby is activated.

To be fair, it's quite possible Goku was talking about Fat Buu since he was talking to Pan.

Pan doesn't know Kid Buu, so when Goku said, "He's even stronger than Majin Buu" he might have been referring to Fat Buu on Earth, who is a lot weaker than he was after the evil got expelled from him. Still being stronger than Fat Buu is shocking too.

[BlueBasilisk]

To be fair, it's quite possible Goku was talking about Fat Buu since he was talking to Pan.

Pan doesn't know Kid Buu, so when Goku said, "He's even stronger than Majin Buu" he might have been referring to Fat Buu on Earth, who is a lot weaker than he was after the evil got expelled from him. Still being stronger than Fat Buu is shocking too.

He could be, but there's no way to be sure since all of Buu's forms are called "Majin Buu" in-series. I'd wager the writers intended him to be stronger than the strongest Buu as a way of hyping Rilldo as the new big dog in the neighborhood, but there's nothing to compare him to directly and GT Goku is the worst sandbagger in the franchise so you can't get a grasp of how strong either of them really are.

[shadowmaria]

GT cannot fit into Super's canon at all. It's completely impossible:

- Goku and Vegeta never use Super Saiyan God again, and Super Saiyan 4 comes out of nowhere

- Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again, which would make no sense

- Gohan goes Super Saiyan again, seemingly losing his Ultimate form once more

- Beerus/Whis and all other universes are of course never mentioned or exist

- The Super 17 arc flat out destroys all of Android 17's development as a family man and park ranger

- Bebi and other super-powered warriors in Universe 7 like Ledgic or Rilldo makes no sense because Buu was the strongest being in their universe, there shouldn't be anyone above him

- Freeza is seemingly back in Hell again, and has no golden form

- Emperor Pilaf, Shoe and Mai are now really old like they aged regularly instead of little kids or adults (which they would be if they age like the rest of the kids)

- Trunks and Mai are not dating nor are they a couple, which doesn't fit into the current timeline

It can't fit in.

1. Super Saiyan 4 doesn't come out of nowhere. We do not know how Super will end, so it's impossible to say what will happen with their God powers
2. A plot hole, granted; but something could happen. We do not know how Super will end, so it's impossible to say.
3. I don't know if you have been watching Super subbed or not; but Gohan has already shown he can have both forms simultaneously. It has also been hinted at that Gohan's lack of training since the Buu arc shut the form off from himself. Following his training with Piccolo, he can go Ultimate again.
4. We do not know if the othe universes still exist or not. Granted, Beerus and Whis are never mentioned; but many things from Dragon Ball (Launch, Jackie Chun) were never mentioned either for this current arc. We do not know how Super will end, so it's impossible to determine what will happen with Beerus and Whis by the end of the story.
5. The first time we see #17 in GT, he's already brainwashed and is attacking Trunks, who knows and recognises #17
6. By that same logic, Buu doesn't make sense because Cell was the strongest being in the universe. But Cell doesn't make sense, because Frieza was the strongest being in the universe. But that doesn't make sense, because Vegeta was the strongest being in the universe.
7. We do not know how Super will end, so we do not know Frieza's ultimate fate. It is also possible (with Frieza's cockiness) that he didn't feel the need to use Golden Frieza because a. He was in Hell and dead already, and b. He was teaming up with Cell
8. The Pilaf Gang suddenly were younger at the beginning of Super #outtanowhere. It's completely possible they wished to be older, and Shenron made them the same age as when they wished to be younger (per Toyotaro's extra chapter)
9. Kid Trunks and Mai aren't even dating now, let alone at the end of Z. Possibly for reasons outlined in point number eight.

This isn't the place for a GT canon debate, however I felt inclined to reply because of how little weight your points listed above held compared to evidence from Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, and Dragon Ball GT

[Xeogran]

Debating this canon doesn't really make sense at this point, because for all we know, Super may end with Great Priest moving back time to before Super even began, and that will make everyone on the 'net look super silly

[spoiler]I would pay to see the chaos that would unfold[/spoiler]

[DainIronfoot]

I was browsing the past few pages and was confused about the thread I was reading...back to DB Super.

There was an image that Jake tweeted, that showed the Warriors of the ToP. It gave us better looks at the U6 Namekians, some U3 fighters, and some fighters that I don't think I've seen yet.

[Lord Frieza]

I was browsing the past few pages and was confused about the thread I was reading...back to DB Super.

There was an image that Jake tweeted, that showed the Warriors of the ToP. It gave us better looks at the U6 Namekians, some U3 fighters, and some fighters that I don't think I've seen yet.

This is true, I swear on of U2's fighters looks like Clayface from Batman. Think his name is Prum.

[RedHeat]

I was browsing the past few pages and was confused about the thread I was reading...back to DB Super.

There was an image that Jake tweeted, that showed the Warriors of the ToP. It gave us better looks at the U6 Namekians, some U3 fighters, and some fighters that I don't think I've seen yet.

This is true, I swear on of U2's fighters looks like Clayface from Batman. Think his name is Prum.

He reminds me of someone else who I'm not going to mention.