"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lionel]

It would, and I would love it, but my hopes aren't too high for the Namekian Book of Legends getting any important reference or acknowledgement. It would come as a very pleasant surprise if Toei remembered its existence. What is it in the manga? I feel like that would be the place to look for validation on whether it could be used in the future or not.

[namekiansaiyan]

It would, and I would love it, but my hopes aren't too high for the Namekian Book of Legends getting any important reference or acknowledgement. It would come as a very pleasant surprise if Toei remembered its existence. What is it in the manga? I feel like that would be the place to look for validation on whether it could be used in the future or not.

It probably won't be the Namekian book of legends but something brand new and random from Toriyama. The Namekians will have something to bring for this arc but we will probably have to wait quite a while before we see it.

However I predict that the Lord Slug lookalike and Piccolo will go giant and they will use it as a way to quickly eliminate other opponents while they are fighting.

[Kanassa]

Piccolo is a huge character and how is he is Gohan's hype man or accessory? He is a character that does not need to be hyped. Why is Gohan being hyped anyway as he has already had to use his Ultimate form and has shown nothing special that anything any of the others can't do.

Piccolo isn't as huge a character as you are making him out to be. In Super, Piccolo is only there to be an accessory to Gohan's character, to be the one who comments on Gohan's actions, to be the quick and easy emotional attachment for Gohan who'll actually be near enough to the fight, to motivate Gohan and to go "Oh, he's grown". And why is Gohan getting hype? Have you even been watching the series? Frieza is the iconic Villain forced to work with his enemies. 17 is a returning character. Goku is the Protagonist and Vegeta is the eternal rival. This is Gohan's first real come back since his fight with Buu.

To make any accurate prediction of these character's possible power ups, the only real perspective we can look at is the out-of-universe perspective. Piccolo narrative position in this arc has been nowhere close to any of the above mentioned characters. Him being here doesn't have the significance of those characters. The likes of Roshi have a bigger chance than him at getting a plot power up due to the significance of him being here.

[Whatever]

It's Jiren. I'll bet my account that it's Jiren.

I bet my account that it's one of those throwaway lines that will never be mentioned ever again, just like Whis' line 60 episodes ago about all the Gods of Destruction being much more evil than Beerus or the line about the Namekian Book of Legends.

I'm sure Piccolo will whip out the Namekian Book of Legends and use it to slap the **** out of the U6 Namekians, simultaneously teaching viewers what books are for.

Nah man,the U6 namekians are gonna be the ones to whip out the Namekian Book of Legends and spank Gohan and Piccolo with it,teaching them how important books can be.
Once the tournament ends Piccolo revaluates his training methods and Gohan returns to studying after having experienced first hand how effective books can be.

[hardcorefakes]

To make any accurate prediction of these character's possible power ups, the only real perspective we can look at is the out-of-universe perspective. Piccolo narrative position in this arc has been nowhere close to any of the above mentioned characters. Him being here doesn't have the significance of those characters. The likes of Roshi have a bigger chance than him at getting a plot power up due to the significance of him being here.

Pretty sure Roshi's here for fanservice, and nothing more.

We already know he's probably going to be involved in a gag episode in 105, so I don't think he's more significant than Piccolo. Maybe more significant than 18 though.

[Jigurashi]

Roshi definitely isn't likelier to get a power up than Piccolo to me, but Piccolo really isn't as big of a character as Namekiansaiyan is saying. He's not an A-list fighter of the group anymore, nor is he one of the strongest. He hasn't come back into the fray after a long absence (Gohan and 17), the villain of the team with ulterior motives (Freeza), the rival and deuteragonist of the series (Vegeta), or the protagonist (Goku). The problem is Piccolo's role this time around is completely tied to Gohan and so he comes off as being nothing more than Gohan's hypeman (which I dislike). I have absolutely no doubt in my mind he'll be eliminated saving Gohan in some form or way and that'll be used as a trigger for Gohan to just use his power to the fullest. I really want to be wrong, but the way Piccolo is being written doesn't give me all that much hope at the moment.

[SansrivaaL]

Nah man,the U6 namekians are gonna be the ones to whip out the Namekian Book of Legends and spank Gohan and Piccolo with it,teaching them how important books can be.
Once the tournament ends Piccolo revaluates his training methods and Gohan returns to studying after having experienced first hand how effective books can be.

Trust me when I say Gohan is the only one in the U7 group that knows how important books are.

[Lionel]

I say let something else catalyse Gohan's power hike. They've already rehashed that cause & effect scenario back during the RoF arc when Gohan pushed his body to its limits in responce to Piccolo's death. We've seen him be prompted into action due to pure survival instinct when Piccolo flung him towards the face of a plateau and when Nappa charged at him intent on killing. Use that precedent as inspiration for him unleashing all of his power. If anyone should be riled into action it needs to be someone who's origins can't be traced back to the Saiyans. Maybe we could have Tenshinhan or Roshi become enraged enough to try something drastic like a twofold Mafuba against an incredibly powerful foe that results in them dying -- at least you would be playing on the age old gimmick by turning the conditions of radical action around on itself. It's more original than the predictable scenario that will inevitably occur at some point in this tournament.

[Jigurashi]

I say let something else catalyse Gohan's power hike. They've already rehashed that cause & effect scenario back during the RoF arc when Gohan pushed his body to its limits in responce to Piccolo's death. We've seen him be prompted into action due to pure survival instinct when Piccolo flung him towards the face of a plateau and when Nappa charged at him intent on killing. Use that precedent as inspiration for him unleashing all of his power. If anyone should be riled into action it needs to be someone who's origins can't be traced back to the Saiyans. Maybe we could have Tenshinhan or Roshi become enraged enough to try something drastic like a twofold Mafuba against an incredibly powerful foe that results in them dying -- at least you would be playing on the age old gimmick by turning the conditions of radical action around on itself. It's more original than the predictable scenario that will inevitably occur at some point in this tournament.

It is more original, but not necessarily means that it'll actually happen that way. I'd definitely prefer that, but Piccolo being used as that for Gohan again wouldn't surprise me at this point.

[HeroR]

One Piece is a well-written story with a clear goal and vision set-up from the start.

Dragon Ball Super is a poor revival of a series that has long been dead in which the creator never had a vision for the future and made stuff up as he went along. The same is true now as he keeps writing one arc at a time and plot points and themes seemingly get dropped from one arc to another.

Not really true since Super has the ongoing theme of the gods and how the mortals relate on react to them, while Z was far more random after the Freeza Saga. This is also your assumption that Toriyama is just writing one story arc at a time without any thought to what comes next, especially since he isn't writing weekly like he did with the manga.

It would, and I would love it, but my hopes aren't too high for the Namekian Book of Legends getting any important reference or acknowledgement. It would come as a very pleasant surprise if Toei remembered its existence. What is it in the manga? I feel like that would be the place to look for validation on whether it could be used in the future or not.

It probably won't be the Namekian book of legends but something brand new and random from Toriyama. The Namekians will have something to bring for this arc but we will probably have to wait quite a while before we see it.

However I predict that the Lord Slug lookalike and Piccolo will go giant and they will use it as a way to quickly eliminate other opponents while they are fighting.

Goku's fight with Bergoma shows why going big is really horrible and would be worse in a Battle Royal. We saw it even earlier with Piccolo going big at the 23rd tournament, so I'm not sure why you're obsessed with seeing characters going big and then getting their asses kicked. In canon, the only characters that benefit from growing was the Great Ape and even Zarbon mocked that form for being unnecessarily big.

[alakazam^]

If Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament.

I suppose the mortal Whis was referring to is from Universe 4, right?

Did Whis say that after knowing four Universes were exempt?

[HeroR]

Did Whis say that after knowing four Universes were exempt?

All Whis said that somewhere in the multiverse there was a mortal that a God of Destruction couldn't beat. He also said this after he admitted not knowing much about the other universes. So this mortal may or may not be part of the tournament, although I have some doubts that they are since Beerus knows the god who beat him in arm wrestling and thinks Goku can beat everyone at the tournament if he stops dropping his guard. I think Beerus would be more worried if the god who beat him in arm wrestling was in the tournament since the mortal that a God of Destruction can't destroy would be there and Goku isn't as strong as a God of Destruction.

[fadeddreams5]

Even if the mortal who's stronger than a GoD was present (which he is, since it's Jiren), there's no reason for Beerus NOT to think Goku has a chance. This is a tournament, not a death match. It's also Super, where power scaling is not a thing; Goku can be fighting on par with said mortal, only to be at Beerus' mercy the next episode.

[namekiansaiyan]

I say let something else catalyse Gohan's power hike. They've already rehashed that cause & effect scenario back during the RoF arc when Gohan pushed his body to its limits in responce to Piccolo's death. We've seen him be prompted into action due to pure survival instinct when Piccolo flung him towards the face of a plateau and when Nappa charged at him intent on killing. Use that precedent as inspiration for him unleashing all of his power. If anyone should be riled into action it needs to be someone who's origins can't be traced back to the Saiyans. Maybe we could have Tenshinhan or Roshi become enraged enough to try something drastic like a twofold Mafuba against an incredibly powerful foe that results in them dying -- at least you would be playing on the age old gimmick by turning the conditions of radical action around on itself. It's more original than the predictable scenario that will inevitably occur at some point in this tournament.

It is more original, but not necessarily means that it'll actually happen that way. I'd definitely prefer that, but Piccolo being used as that for Gohan again wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Piccolo is a huge character and how is he is Gohan's hype man or accessory? He is a character that does not need to be hyped. Why is Gohan being hyped anyway as he has already had to use his Ultimate form and has shown nothing special that anything any of the others can't do.

Piccolo isn't as huge a character as you are making him out to be. In Super, Piccolo is only there to be an accessory to Gohan's character, to be the one who comments on Gohan's actions, to be the quick and easy emotional attachment for Gohan who'll actually be near enough to the fight, to motivate Gohan and to go "Oh, he's grown". And why is Gohan getting hype? Have you even been watching the series? Frieza is the iconic Villain forced to work with his enemies. 17 is a returning character. Goku is the Protagonist and Vegeta is the eternal rival. This is Gohan's first real come back since his fight with Buu.

To make any accurate prediction of these character's possible power ups, the only real perspective we can look at is the out-of-universe perspective. Piccolo narrative position in this arc has been nowhere close to any of the above mentioned characters. Him being here doesn't have the significance of those characters. The likes of Roshi have a bigger chance than him at getting a plot power up due to the significance of him being here.

90% of this Gohan and Piccolo obsession is Toei and not Toriyama and I am confident that Piccolo does not lose by saving Gohan as that is not something Toriyama would do and Toei can not change that.

17 is getting attention because he is returning and Gohan is getting attention just like Krillin did as they are returning to fighting.

People keep hyping but stop using logic snd I am going to make a thread about it.

I can't believe some people regard Piccolo this low and some even regard him as the lowest of team. It has even got worse from some people after the 2 Namekians were revealed recently.

[Michsi]

I can't believe some people regard Piccolo this low and some even regard him as the lowest of team. It has even got worse from some people after the 2 Namekians were revealed recently.

Probably because out of all the characters, he is arguably the one that suffered the biggest fall from grace, especially where his role as a fighter is concerned. So fans exacerbate his lowered status. "Piccolo is a joke now," and stuff like that. It's somewhat understandable, I suppose. I mean, I look at early DBZ, all up to the middle of the Cell arc, where he was always treated as a big deal. Then the Buu Saga happened: he backs out of a fight against the Kaioshin, which wouldn't have been such a let down if the Kaioshin actually ended up being someone impressive, is there to be the straight man to Gotenks, and not much else. Toei noticed this and continued the trend in GT, where he is practically written out of the story and given only a handful of scenes. Now he barely gets a frame in the openings.
His most memorable acts in Super is being adorable with Pan. What else?

Don't get me wrong, I will always think he has the potential to return to his glory days as a fighter, his history and origin make that feasible, but I just don't see it happening. He is popular, but not saiyan popular.

[namekiansaiyan]

I can't believe some people regard Piccolo this low and some even regard him as the lowest of team. It has even got worse from some people after the 2 Namekians were revealed recently.

Probably because out of all the characters, he is arguably the one that suffered the biggest fall from grace, especially where his role as a fighter is concerned. So fans exacerbate his lowered status. "Piccolo is a joke now," and stuff like that. It's somewhat understandable, I suppose. I mean, I look at early DBZ, all up to the middle of the Cell arc, where he was always treated as a big deal. Then the Buu Saga happened: he backs out of a fight against the Kaioshin, which wouldn't have been such a let down if the Kaioshin actually ended up being someone impressive, is there to be the straight man to Gotenks, and not much else. Toei noticed this and continued the trend in GT, where he is practically written out of the story and given only a handful of scenes. Now he barely gets a frame in the openings.
His most memorable acts in Super is being adorable with Pan. What else?

Don't get me wrong, I will always think he has the potential to return to his glory days as a fighter, his history and origin make that feasible, but I just don't see it happening. He is popular, but not saiyan popular.

Piccolo was the only one to enter the last tournament with Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo did not get any hype just like Vegeta for this arc during the episodes becuase they do not need any.

I hate how the new Saiyans are revealed and everyone hypes them up but new Namekians get revealed this late and people just say they are fodder.

Piccolo gets stronger but people still call him useless but if Gohan and 17 get stronger the hype goes through the roof. What did Gohan show in the last episode that was so good?

[alakazam^]

All Whis said that somewhere in the multiverse there was a mortal that a God of Destruction couldn't beat. He also said this after he admitted not knowing much about the other universes. So this mortal may or may not be part of the tournament, although I have some doubts that they are since Beerus knows the god who beat him in arm wrestling and thinks Goku can beat everyone at the tournament if he stops dropping his guard. I think Beerus would be more worried if the god who beat him in arm wrestling was in the tournament since the mortal that a God of Destruction can't destroy would be there and Goku isn't as strong as a God of Destruction.

That doesn't answer my question, though. Did Whis say that before or after knowing four Universes were exempt?

[Michsi]

Piccolo was the only one to enter the last tournament with Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo did not get any hype just like Vegeta for this arc during the episodes becuase they do not need any.

I hate how the new Saiyans are revealed and everyone hypes them up but new Namekians get revealed this late and people just say they are fodder.

Piccolo gets stronger but people still call him useless but if Gohan and 17 get stronger the hype goes through the roof. What did Gohan show in the last episode that was so good?

I was beyond excited when he was chosen as a fighter in U7 vs U6 arc, but they couldn't even give him one win. One!

As far as Gohan and 17 are concerned, there's an inherent sense of importance around these two : Gohan is Goku's son, was immensely important in DBZ, has the whole infinite rage boost potential going for him (and probably always will), and 17 gets the inevitable hype of a new'/reintroduced character that needs to perform well otherwise it would make all that advertisement pointless -> this is all from a story perspective.

The new saiyans are well, saiyans. Saiyans are a staple of this franchise, namekians less so. Some believe that there might be a good reason why the U6 namekians have been overlooked by the "camera" up until now, but I don't know. For what it's worth, people are showing interest in them, they're just being cautious with their expectations ( I am too.)

[HeroR]

That doesn't answer my question, though. Did Whis say that before or after knowing four Universes were exempt?

He knew this after he knew about the four universes not fighting.

The new saiyans are well, saiyans. Saiyans are a staple of this franchise, namekians less so. Some believe that there might be a good reason why the U6 namekians have been overlooked by the "camera" up until now, but I don't know. For what it's worth, people are showing interest in them, they're just being cautious with their expectations ( I am too.)

I am of two minds. On one hand, they could be important since they were hidden for no real reason, suggesting hype, but at the same time we had no clue they even existed until we saw their faces on Zen'o's GodPad. They're not even in the end credits, which have fodder that got KO in one episode.

[alakazam^]

He knew this after he knew about the four universes not fighting.

Ok, thank you.