Complete BT3 Info and Discussion Thread [UPDATED 10/02/07]

[gohanku]

Some already known news and some new pictures. The pictures are very good, no doubts about that. I don't have any complain with this batch but I have a favourite. Garlic Jr., his lone fang sticking out was just pure awesome.

[Anonymous Friend]

Will we be able to re-inact any Dragonball movies with our current character list?

[Humpski]

Will we be able to re-inact any Dragonball movies with our current character list?

Well all the major movie villains are in besides Bio-Broli (Who isn't really needed IMO). There's lots of missing henchmen though.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Xyex]

Will we be able to re-inact any Dragonball movies with our current character list?

Well all the major movie villains are in besides Bio-Broli (Who isn't really needed IMO). There's lots of missing henchmen though.

I'm pretty sure he meant DB movies, not Z.

And of those I've seen three. None of which are really doable due to the lack of secondary characters. No Metalitron or Bora leaves out the third movie and movies 1 and 2 used original villains so those can't really be done either. And movie 4... well, you could fight Desert Bandit Yamcha and Android 8 but that's it.

[Anonymous Friend]

Will we be able to re-inact any Dragonball movies with our current character list?

Well all the major movie villains are in besides Bio-Broli (Who isn't really needed IMO). There's lots of missing henchmen though.

I'm pretty sure he meant DB movies, not Z.

And of those I've seen three. None of which are really doable due to the lack of secondary characters. No Metalitron or Bora leaves out the third movie and movies 1 and 2 used original villains so those can't really be done either. And movie 4... well, you could fight Desert Bandit Yamcha and Android 8 but that's it.

Thanks, Xyex. That is what I meant.

I haven't seen any of the DB movies, but doesn't one of them do a retelling of the DB story? Would they possible use that as basis of the DB portion of the Dragon History?

[Kunzait_83]

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[Thanos6]

Too bad; Lucifer at least would be fun, even if Gurumes wouldn't.

[bkev]

No Murusaki? Man... coolest RR guy EVER.

[Adamant]

I'm pretty sure he meant DB movies, not Z.

And of those I've seen three. None of which are really doable due to the lack of secondary characters. No Metalitron or Bora leaves out the third movie and movies 1 and 2 used original villains so those can't really be done either. And movie 4... well, you could fight Desert Bandit Yamcha and Android 8 but that's it.

Thanks, Xyex. That is what I meant.

I haven't seen any of the DB movies, but doesn't one of them do a retelling of the DB story? Would they possible use that as basis of the DB portion of the Dragon History?

That would be Movie 4 (Path to Power) which Xyex had already mentioned. And yeah you wouldn't be able to do all that much of it, mainly just Goku vs Desert bandit Yamucha, and #8.

Movie 4 is pretty much the Pilaf and Red Ribbon arcs squeezed together, yes, but the others are retellings rather than "totally original stories that almost, ut not quite, fits into the story", like the Z movies were. Movie 1 is pretty much the Pilaf arc with new villains, movie 2 is a rather different take on Lunch's intro episode, and movie 3 is pretty much "late Red Ribbon arc on drugs", with Tsuru Sennin as the main villain.

While movie 3 and 4 don't feature any original characters, they have too much emphasis on non-playable characters to make for very good re-enactments.

[TripleRach]

I haven't seen any of the DB movies, but doesn't one of them do a retelling of the DB story? Would they possible use that as basis of the DB portion of the Dragon History?

They're all retellings in some sense.

Movie 1 is a retelling of the initial Dragon Ball hunt, where everyone first meets, but with an original villain (Gurumes/Gourmes).

Movie 2 is a retelling of Kuririn and Lunch's introductions, but with an original villain (Lucifer).

Movie 3 is a retelling of Gokuu and Kuririn's training and Tenshinhan and Chaozu's introductions, but with Tsurusennin, Taopaipai, and most of the Red Ribbon Army as villains.

Movie 4 is a retelling of the initial Dragon Ball hunt, where everyone first meets, but with the Red Ribbon Army as the villains.

Out of all of those, Taopaipai from Movie 3 is really the only thing that could be reenacted, but even that wouldn't be the same without Arale.

EDIT: Damned TV. I've been beaten.

[Futabatei Shimei]

Also, I'm not sure what the "galleries" is referring to. Maybe the narration text for scenario chapters? Though it's referred to like it's a person.

I think "galleries" is referring to the other characters who were there at time. If you watch the second promotion video on the official site, at about 2:10 into the video, Pan says, "いいぞー！やれやれ！もっとやっちゃえ！いけいけー！" as Super Saiya-jin 4 Gogeta is fighting Yi Xing Long. I think that's what they mean by the "galleries' commentary".

[TripleRach]

Also, I'm not sure what the "galleries" is referring to. Maybe the narration text for scenario chapters? Though it's referred to like it's a person.

I think "galleries" is referring to the other characters who were there at time. If you watch the second promotion video on the official site, at about 2:10 into the video, Pan says, "いいぞー！やれやれ！もっとやっちゃえ！いけいけー！" as Super Saiya-jin 4 Gogeta is fighting Yi Xing Long. I think that's what they mean by the "galleries' commentary".

Interesting. I guess I forgot about that in that video.

[kaioken12]

Does anybody know why the final flash pose has been changed and looks now more like Budokai 3?
(I liked Tenkaichi for having it look like in the anime and not like Budokai 3 )

Apart from this: I heard in a video diary, that the authors won't make new characters if nobody wants them to in the future (when they run out of original characters).

But what about Nappa Oozaru and so on? Aren't they kind of fictional, too?

Well then, I hope the game comes soon ^^
Perhaps now Vegeta's suicide attack will be a real suicide-attack, too.
Or some ultrablasts (teleport kamehameha or this attack with which Vegeta kills Cui) will not send the enemy flying away or falling down in one piece anymore.

Don't get me wrong: I don't want to have much blood, gore and splatter in it, just something more logical.
For example, when Vegeta blows himself up in Tenkaichi 2/Sparking Neo and wins the fight, he stands there afterwards and laughs.
I think that just don't fit to these "Goodbyes" before that - in my opinion, a Vegeta that is down (like when losing) or just no one with a victory sentence - just empty field.
But thats just my opinion.

[gohanku]

Does anybody know why the final flash pose has been changed and looks now more like Budokai 3?
(I liked Tenkaichi for having it look like in the anime and not like Budokai 3 )

Apart from this: I heard in a video diary, that the authors won't make new characters if nobody wants them to in the future (when they run out of original characters).

But what about Nappa Oozaru and so on? Aren't they kind of fictional, too?

Well then, I hope the game comes soon ^^
Perhaps now Vegeta's suicide attack will be a real suicide-attack, too.
Or some ultrablasts (teleport kamehameha or this attack with which Vegeta kills Cui) will not send the enemy flying away or falling down in one piece anymore.

Don't get me wrong: I don't want to have much blood, gore and splatter in it, just something more logical.
For example, when Vegeta blows himself up in Tenkaichi 2/Sparking Neo and wins the fight, he stands there afterwards and laughs.
I think that just don't fit to these "Goodbyes" before that - in my opinion, a Vegeta that is down (like when losing) or just no one with a victory sentence - just empty field.
But thats just my opinion.

I know what you mean but if you suicide and you lose, what's the use of it? But maybe they can make it that your victory scene will be based on how damaged you are.

[kaioken12]

I know what you mean but if you suicide and you lose, what's the use of it? But maybe they can make it that your victory scene will be based on how damaged you are.

Yeah, something like that.
See, when Chaozu used his suicide attack against Nappa and it didn't work, he was dead. As Vegeta with Buu.

But if they had won with this attack and the enemy had been defeated, they wouldn't still be standing there and saying "Wow, I won!"
They would rather lie dead (or maybe inconcious if dead is too much) on the ground or would be vanished because they exploded.

So I mean, a victory scene with just nothing, no sentence, no exploded character at all (just the empty levelbackground for example) would be better than the scenes in Tenkaichi 2.
Or just no suicide-attacks.

And the other thing was:
When Goku destroyed Cell's upper body with the kamehameha or when Vegeta had Cui explode in the air, these massive attacks made "real" damage to the bodies.

So what I meant in that case was, that if you use some attack like that and your opponent goes K.O. because of this attack, it seems sort of weird that he flies away after the blast or falls down after the explosion and simply lies on the ground.
As I said, splatter effects would be weird as well, but simply making the opponent invisible or something (like he was dead, desintegrated or something).

Wouldn't be that bad if it was like in Tenkaichi 2, but if something like that was included it would be more like in the show - in my opinion.

By the way: Have the developers said something about Ginyu and body change? I liked the "real" change better than the one in Tenkaichi 2, but I haven't heard since then if Tenkaichi 3 will have a "real" change again or not.

[kvon]

Heads up! It seems like the demo is out. Check out this page (A blog?). I'll be keeping my eyes on this page for a while.

I think I can roughly translate the related schedule until the release date:

9/19 The 3rd Promotional Video
9/20~23 Showings at Tokyo Game Show 2007
9/21 V-Jump November Issue
9/28 Famitsu's Cross Review
10/4 Release Date
Also, it seems like Weekly Jump will also reveal some contents as well.

This page also informs us of which usable characters will be appearing with the demo. I think they're Goku (Mid), Piccolo (Early), Nail, Majin Vegeta, King Vegeta, and Gohan (Future).

Hopefully, we'll again be seeing tons of people making YouTube videos of them playing the demo.

[Adey]

kaioken12, I totally get what you're saying.

Ever play Super Dragonball Z? If you didn't Gohan and Cell's "Dragon Finishers" would be gigantic Kamehamehas that pushed the person out in to space and then blew up the moon, and after that the victim would just disappear (And quite rightly so I say!)

They should totally have that.
One thing I can say I enjoyed in BT2 over B3 is how when people are defeated, they lie there lifeless on the floor, not even breathing, unlike B3 where they're still clearly breathing on the floor, we need death damnit!

[Humpski]

There's some instances of people being completely obliterated in BT3 from what I remember. I think I saw a vid of Babidi versus Nail. Pui Pui finished Nail off with a big beam and there was nothing left of him afterwards.

[Adamant]

For the suicide attacks, it really shouldn't be that hard to make a system where, if the suicide attack succeeds in killing the opponent, you win, but if the opponent survives, he wins. The entire "almost dead but not quite" crap we have is just ridiculous.