"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Basako]

i felt the manga focused more on action then actual charecter development. from a story standpoint the anime was superior. the manga had longer fights and better action. but gohan wasent even in the manga. the anime made it clear that trunks care for his mentor.

Maybe Trunks cared for his menthor, but his mentor didn't care for him, based on his reaction, he didn't even ask why he was there or how he was. Then, in the last chapter, he appears out of nowhere to say goodbye like his life goes on it. What was that? Is Gohan bipolar or what. First no reaction at all and then an overreaction. That is bad writing, plus other shit.

What're you talking about?

About Gohan in the anime, which he brought in the comment above, it's on the quote.

[Meshack]

Maybe Trunks cared for his menthor, but his mentor didn't care for him, based on his reaction, he didn't even ask why he was there or how he was. Then, in the last chapter, he appears out of nowhere to say goodbye like his life goes on it. What was that? Is Gohan bipolar or what. First no reaction at all and then an overreaction. That is bad writing, plus other shit.

What're you talking about?

About Gohan in the anime, which he brought in the comment above, it's on the quote.

Oh, I thought you were referring to the manga.

[gohan_black]

Gohan is in the manga. He's in Chapter 3. If you're talking about the Future Trunks Arc, Toyotarou drew a special chapter for JVC 2017: Gohan is revealed to be secretly training in the Gravity Room at Capsule Corp. and a few days before Trunks and Mye left, he actually met up with Trunks and he's the reason why Trunks and Mye went back into the future (who decided to stay in the present)

its not only because of gohan. its also because trunks bearly even played a part in the fighting and it was all goku and vegeta. and also because it had terrible writing. goku suddenly can do the hakai teqhnice out of nowere and other stupid shit

How is it terrible writing? Goku and Vegeta are leagues above Trunks. He could barely defeat Darbura. He also only had Super Saiyan 2 for a year before returning to the present. How do you expect Trunks to compete with someone who has the power of Goku from the future? You can't! The anime did a horrible presentation except for the Genkidama Sword. The form, being able to compete with Merged Zamasu, and Goku Black is complete bs

How is it stupid that Goku can do Destroy? We don't see all of Goku's and Vegeta's training. Gohan was never shown in panels by Piccolo to do Masenkou or the Kamehameha by Goku. And what other stuff is stupid?

doing the HAKAI which is a god of destruction exlosive teqnhice is not like learning kamehameha or other attacks. and if trunks dosent learn to be responsible for his own timeline. to be strong enough then all of this jouney is a waste

[Basako]

doing the HAKAI which is a god of destruction exlosive teqnhice is not like learning kamehameha or other attacks. and if trunks dosent learn to be responsible for his own timeline. to be strong enough then all of this jouney is a waste

Hakai is not god of destruction exclusive, but if does require a huge amount of power, the mastered SSB for Goku.

Trunks didn't have a great power up, but he did his part. The journey wasn't a waste because Zamasu and Black were defeated. Don't get me wrong, I would have liked it if he had a power up to fight better, but a legit one, not like the anime.

[Meshack]

its not only because of gohan. its also because trunks bearly even played a part in the fighting and it was all goku and vegeta. and also because it had terrible writing. goku suddenly can do the hakai teqhnice out of nowere and other stupid shit

How is it terrible writing? Goku and Vegeta are leagues above Trunks. He could barely defeat Darbura. He also only had Super Saiyan 2 for a year before returning to the present. How do you expect Trunks to compete with someone who has the power of Goku from the future? You can't! The anime did a horrible presentation except for the Genkidama Sword. The form, being able to compete with Merged Zamasu, and Goku Black is complete bs

How is it stupid that Goku can do Destroy? We don't see all of Goku's and Vegeta's training. Gohan was never shown in panels by Piccolo to do Masenkou or the Kamehameha by Goku. And what other stuff is stupid?

doing the HAKAI which is a god of destruction exlosive teqnhice is not like learning kamehameha or other attacks. and if trunks dosent learn to be responsible for his own timeline. to be strong enough then all of this jouney is a waste

Hakai, again, is not an attack that was officially said be a God of Destruction exclusive technique. From whqt we know, it's basically a technique that requires a lot of ki so that's why Gods of Destruction are seen with it more.

About Trunks, Trunks is good now. Goku even tells him that. He trained with Vegeta in the Gravity Room and most likely got stronger.

[OLKv3]

Guessing this scene is when Grand Priest announces the punishment for losing

[sintzu]

Seeing as most of the Tournament of Power fighters are just background fodder most likely created by Toei do you think the manga will use the same characters or will Toyotaro have his own fodder fighters?

Maybe we won't get those characters at all but instead just the main fights while everything else happens in the background.

[Zamasu55]

Let's see how Toyo handles it.

[kemuri07]

Glad that there's a thread for this because I really wanted to talk about how much better the Manga because HOLY SHIT it is literally night and day as to the quality between Super the manga and the animation. I fucking liked Zamasu in the manga, which is something that I'd never have said before. Zamasu and Goku Black are far more interesting in the manga version than their anime counterparts; Goku and Vegeta are more interesting in the manga. Seriously, the moment that sold me on this arc is towards the end when both Goku and Vegeta are up against a thousand of those Zamasu clones, and it's clear that they're going to die:
"Go wild until you die."
"Then Let's do it together."

To me, that's the best representation of these two characters' relationship that spans 20+ years. I doubt the anime gets even close to a moment like that.

And yeah, both version of Super pulls a lot of dumb shit out of its butt, but I'm just having so much fun with the manga that I don't really care. It helps that the writing is aces and the art looks so much like Toriyama's work.

[sintzu]

Glad that there's a thread for this because I really wanted to talk about how much better the Manga because HOLY SHIT it is literally night and day as to the quality between Super the manga and the animation. I fucking liked Zamasu in the manga, which is something that I'd never have said before. Zamasu and Goku Black are far more interesting in the manga version than their anime counterparts; Goku and Vegeta are more interesting in the manga. Seriously, the moment that sold me on this arc is towards the end when both Goku and Vegeta are up against a thousand of those Zamasu clones, and it's clear that they're going to die:
"Go wild until you die."
"Then Let's do it together."

To me, that's the best representation of these two characters' relationship that spans 20+ years. I doubt the anime gets even close to a moment like that.

And yeah, both version of Super pulls a lot of dumb shit out of its butt, but I'm just having so much fun with the manga that I don't really care. It helps that the writing is aces and the art looks so much like Toriyama's work.

Another thing I love about the manga is how it explains everything, unlike the anime where it just expects you to understand it when it makes 0 sense.

[Nero<>Akira]

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

[RedHeat]

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

I agree. The manga focuses way too much on Goku/Vegeta to the point where anyone else is literally Krill-tier of importance, like GT 1.7 in that sense. It also makes the overall thing feel rushed.
Sure, there may be SOME stuff explained, but there's also a series of more asspulls and plotholes that comes along with it.

[perucho1990]

Glad that there's a thread for this because I really wanted to talk about how much better the Manga because HOLY SHIT it is literally night and day as to the quality between Super the manga and the animation. I fucking liked Zamasu in the manga, which is something that I'd never have said before. Zamasu and Goku Black are far more interesting in the manga version than their anime counterparts; Goku and Vegeta are more interesting in the manga. Seriously, the moment that sold me on this arc is towards the end when both Goku and Vegeta are up against a thousand of those Zamasu clones, and it's clear that they're going to die:
"Go wild until you die."
"Then Let's do it together."

To me, that's the best representation of these two characters' relationship that spans 20+ years. I doubt the anime gets even close to a moment like that.

And yeah, both version of Super pulls a lot of dumb shit out of its butt, but I'm just having so much fun with the manga that I don't really care. It helps that the writing is aces and the art looks so much like Toriyama's work.

Sorry but no, Manga Zamasu and Black are as interesting as Barry Khan or any Fairy Tail villain.

Anyways, one thing Toyo will do in the ToP is have the top tiers fodderize all of the scrubs, a thing it shouldve happened in the anime.

[The gr]

Anyways, one thing Toyo will do in the ToP is have the top tiers fodderize all of the scrubs, a thing it shouldve happened in the anime.

I wouldn't be sure about that,goku and vegeta are gonna hold back like they did in u6

[perucho1990]

Anyways, one thing Toyo will do in the ToP is have the top tiers fodderize all of the scrubs, a thing it shouldve happened in the anime.

I wouldn't be sure about that,goku and vegeta are gonna hold back like they did in u6

But not sandbag like they did fighting U9 or how Goku has been doing overall in the anime. The first thing Toyo should do is get rid of the fake/artificial tension.

[kemuri07]

Glad that there's a thread for this because I really wanted to talk about how much better the Manga because HOLY SHIT it is literally night and day as to the quality between Super the manga and the animation. I fucking liked Zamasu in the manga, which is something that I'd never have said before. Zamasu and Goku Black are far more interesting in the manga version than their anime counterparts; Goku and Vegeta are more interesting in the manga. Seriously, the moment that sold me on this arc is towards the end when both Goku and Vegeta are up against a thousand of those Zamasu clones, and it's clear that they're going to die:
"Go wild until you die."
"Then Let's do it together."

To me, that's the best representation of these two characters' relationship that spans 20+ years. I doubt the anime gets even close to a moment like that.

And yeah, both version of Super pulls a lot of dumb shit out of its butt, but I'm just having so much fun with the manga that I don't really care. It helps that the writing is aces and the art looks so much like Toriyama's work.

Sorry but no, Manga Zamasu and Black are as interesting as Barry Khan or any Fairy Tail villain.

Anyways, one thing Toyo will do in the ToP is have the top tiers fodderize all of the scrubs, a thing it shouldve happened in the anime.

I'll bite. How? In the anime, Zamasu's character begins and ends with him smugly proclaiming that human's have to be exterminated. Again, and again, and again.
And then he turns into a giant spaghetti monster.

I won't say that Super (manga) adds depth to Zamasu. For the most part, Zamasu's reasonings are largely the same in either versions. So what it comes down to is execution. Where as (Anime) Zamasu is simply a smug jerk, Manga(Zamasu) is angry, cruel, and a little more off his rocker. Without having to go into some complicated backstory, the manga does a lot more with Zamasu as a character.

I'll also add that the manga doesn't have the same pacing issues as the anime does, which added to my enjoyment of the manga's version of the arc.

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

Not gonna lie, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

[The gr]

But not sandbag like they did fighting U9 or how Goku has been doing overall in the anime. The first thing Toyo should do is get rid of the fake/artificial tension.

Oh that,he could fix by making some of combatants really strong like maybe ss3 or ssg tier,still goku is gonna play with his food no matter how weak is opponent is

[perucho1990]

Oh that,he could fix by making some of combatants really strong like maybe ss3 or ssg tier,still goku is gonna play with his food no matter how weak is opponent is

But not to the point Goku wants to remain in base, that is one of the biggest flaws the anime has.

I hope the next chapter ends with the gang heading to the World of Void, Toyo could include a side chapter with Goku recruiting Freeza and 17.

[LightBing]

From what Toyotarõ has shown, he probably lost some sleep trying to make the power scale of the upcoming tournament work.
We won't get to see it next chapter, it will likely be just the introduction to the arc and the exhibition match(yeah I think the manga will only have 1).

[LowRyder2005]

all i got from this was that people like to be spoon fed lol doesn't take a genius to know what SSJ Rose was or how the time travel worked just from what was already said in the anime and also a chart Toei released. Manga isn't better at all. Maybe it was before Goku and Vegeta got to future.

I agree. The manga focuses way too much on Goku/Vegeta to the point where anyone else is literally Krill-tier of importance, like GT 1.7 in that sense. It also makes the overall thing feel rushed.
Sure, there may be SOME stuff explained, but there's also a series of more asspulls and plotholes that comes along with it.

I think you'd do well to re-read the pages in which the manga aficionados recollect what lead to what, and actually addressed, points like these.
I believe almost every - if not literally every single, not kidding - element purported to be a "plothole" or "an asspull" (*sigh*) has been quite reasonably proven so far to be a matter of:

A. Reader A commenting the manga with some ingrained notion from the anime (i. e."the SSB seen at the end can't be this strong");
B. Reader A rants because of some ingrained notion which turns out to be completely original (i. e. "Goku can't learn Hakai", "Trunks can't have healing powers");
C. Reader A losing sight of the chain of the events (i. e. "why didn't Goku use the mastered SSB from the beginning").

The manga's obviously not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't go as far as claiming it doesn't work on a fundamental level.