Couldn't they seal Zeno?

[IntangibleFancy]

It shouldn't be that hard. Can't they just toss him in that destroyed timeline or ask Zuno about the best seal in the multiverse and just put him in that? And they don't even have to seal him. They could just wish for a device that'd infinitely entertain him and just lock him in some room.

On a side note: After what happened to future Majin Buu, do you think they'd be able to kill Zeno if they obliterate him while he's inside the seal?

[Lord Beerus]

Or they could just use the Mafuba. It would have worked on Zamasu had Goku not fucked up with bringing the seal.

[Polyphase Avatron]

They could try... but are they really willing to risk what might happen if they fail?

[IntangibleFancy]

They could try... but are they really willing to risk what might happen if they fail?

They could just tell him he's going to some place fun. He seems easily manipulated.

[Lionel]

I don't see why not. It's been proposed before with Daishinkan. They could use the Mafuba, isolate him in the erased Future Trunks timeline, or even something as simple as making a sound that's loud enough to cause dizziness, respiratory fluctuation and an embolism. The Tunguska Meteor back in the early 1900s created an intense sonic wave the equivalent of 300 decibels. Anything above 110 decibels is enough for the human body to start becoming affected. Close to 200 would be fatal. I don't think Zeno's body would be any different in that respect.

[gofishus]

I don't see why not. It's been proposed before with Daishinkan. They could use the Mafuba, isolate him in the erased Future Trunks timeline, or even something as simple as making a sound that's loud enough to cause dizziness, respiratory fluctuation and an embolism. The Tunguska Meteor back in the early 1900s created an intense sonic wave the equivalent of 300 decibels. Anything above 110 decibels is enough for the human body to start becoming affected. Close to 200 would be fatal. I don't think Zeno's body would be any different in that respect.

Except Zeno is an all powerful multiverse being. Not exactly a human. But yeah seems like the Mafuba is kind of a cheap attack that can work on anybody... though I'm not sure about Zeno. If Zeno created the universes wouldn't he have power over all matter in the universe as well?

[Ki Breaker]

If Zeno created the universes wouldn't he have power over all matter in the universe as well?

Considering he intended to erase universe 10 and the small locket that was isolated and nobody saw fall also automatically vanished, he does have full control over all matter..

[MajinMan]

Considering that there are two Zeno now, I don't think it will work, unless they seal both of them at the same time. The Grand Priest might intervene anyway.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Zeno would just look and say "How annoying...." then "squish".

[DragonBallFoodie]

I don't think you can contain a cosmic entity of the universe with a simple kung-fu technique.

And you could probably contain only one.

[BellBlitzKing]

Let's assume we can seal Zeno. Next, ask, can a being that can control all matter plus destroy time/space itself, quickly Unseal itself? (Yes)

• The Mafuba is merely a technique, which can drain energy and stamina, plus it requires a container + paper seal. Can a mere "learnable technique" conquer a God-teir being whose universal-level destructive powers come completely natural and cost no stamina.
• Zeno can destroy matter. Meaning he can destroy the seal on the jar itself, crack the jar to be released or erase the jar itself from existence. While inside the jar, I assume Zeno can use his God-level abilities, because a Seal is likely meant to contain what's inside, not prevent Zeno from using his powers while inside.
• The Mafuba (Evil Containment Wave), is meant for evil beings like King Piccolo, Majin Buu or other villains. Zeno may be unaffected altogether or be released.

[Krillin1994]

Let's assume we can seal Zeno. Next, ask, can a being that can control all matter plus destroy time/space itself, quickly Unseal itself? (Yes)

• The Mafuba (Evil Containment Wave), is meant for evil beings like King Piccolo, Majin Buu or other villains. Zeno may be unaffected altogether or be released.
• The Mafuba is merely a technique, which can drain energy and stamina, plus it requires a container + paper seal. Can a mere "learnable technique" conquer a God-teir being whose universal-level destructive powers come completely natural and cost no stamina.
• Zeno can destroy matter. Meaning he can destroy the seal on the jar itself, crack the jar to be released or erase the jar itself from existence. While inside the jar, I assume Zeno can use his God-level abilities, because a Seal is likely meant to contain what's inside, not prevent Zeno from using his powers while inside.

We know Mafuba works on non evil beings though as Kami got sealed by Piccolo.

[BellBlitzKing]

Actually @Krillin1994, you're right from that example, non-evil beings can be sealed. Though the other points still stand. Good catch.

[IntangibleFancy]

Let's assume we can seal Zeno. Next, ask, can a being that can control all matter plus destroy time/space itself, quickly Unseal itself? (Yes)

• The Mafuba is merely a technique, which can drain energy and stamina, plus it requires a container + paper seal. Can a mere "learnable technique" conquer a God-teir being whose universal-level destructive powers come completely natural and cost no stamina.
• Zeno can destroy matter. Meaning he can destroy the seal on the jar itself, crack the jar to be released or erase the jar itself from existence. While inside the jar, I assume Zeno can use his God-level abilities, because a Seal is likely meant to contain what's inside, not prevent Zeno from using his powers while inside.
• The Mafuba (Evil Containment Wave), is meant for evil beings like King Piccolo, Majin Buu or other villains. Zeno may be unaffected altogether or be released.

There's that destroyed timeline/ a whole multiverse full of different seals

[BellBlitzKing]

There's that destroyed timeline/ a whole multiverse full of different seals

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, a multiverse of seals. In this case we're talking about the seal you place on the jar in order to keep the person inside. It's not mentioned that the jar's seal hinders the prisoners powers in any way, especially those of a god.

[Gog]

All things considered I highly doubt that the Mafuba would even have an effect on him, due to reasons. But, if it did then it would undeniably fail. With two Zen'Oh's you would have to bring in 2 users capable of using the Mafuba, otherwise the second Zen'Oh would simply destroy you, and break the seal holding the other one. But, even if you bring in 2 users capable of the Mafuba technique there will always be the Daishinkan, if you sealed both of the Zen'Oh's he'd break them out, and you'd get erased.

And I don't see anyway in which you would seal away the Daishinkan all things considered, he isn't as childish as Zen'Oh is, he's far more powerful than his children, and he would always be on his guard. So, at the end of the day just hang out in one of the lucky four universes who got a GoD, and a Kaioshin capable of doing their job well.

[IntangibleFancy]

There's that destroyed timeline/ a whole multiverse full of different seals

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, a multiverse of seals.

I mean there's a multiverse full of different seals to use. If one made from a primitive planet in the second lowest universe was enough to almost seal a kai then there has to be tons of better ones throughout the 12 universes.

[BellBlitzKing]

There's that destroyed timeline/ a whole multiverse full of different seals

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, a multiverse of seals.

I mean there's a multiverse full of different seals to use. If one made from a primitive planet in the second lowest universe was enough to almost seal a kai then there has to be tons of better ones throughout the 12 universes.

By speculation, sure there may be better ones. Though going through many universes just to find one ultra-rare seal that might work seems unlikely---will they just try them one by one? (lol). Multiverse theory + statistical probability = yes, it's possible there may be one Zeno sealer.

Plus the seal's purpose would have to change: I'm referring to the seal Roshi has, which specifically keeps the person inside the jar. A "perfect" seal to capture Zeno would have to (a) keep him inside, (b) nullify his Zeno powers plus (c) protect the jar itself from any breaking or cracking that could release him.

[IntangibleFancy]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, a multiverse of seals.

I mean there's a multiverse full of different seals to use. If one made from a primitive planet in the second lowest universe was enough to almost seal a kai then there has to be tons of better ones throughout the 12 universes.

By speculation, sure there may be better ones. Though going through many universes just to find one ultra-rare seal that might work seems unlikely---will they just try them one by one? (lol). Multiverse theory + statistical probability = yes, it's possible there may be one Zeno sealer.

Plus the seal's purpose would have to change: I'm referring to the seal Roshi has, which specifically keeps the person inside the jar. A "perfect" seal to capture Zeno would have to (a) keep him inside, (b) nullify his Zeno powers plus (c) protect the jar itself from any breaking or cracking that could release him.

We could ask Zuno

Aren't there seals that drug you to the point where you don't know what's going on?

[Polyphase Avatron]

I mean there's a multiverse full of different seals to use. If one made from a primitive planet in the second lowest universe was enough to almost seal a kai then there has to be tons of better ones throughout the 12 universes.

By speculation, sure there may be better ones. Though going through many universes just to find one ultra-rare seal that might work seems unlikely---will they just try them one by one? (lol). Multiverse theory + statistical probability = yes, it's possible there may be one Zeno sealer.

Plus the seal's purpose would have to change: I'm referring to the seal Roshi has, which specifically keeps the person inside the jar. A "perfect" seal to capture Zeno would have to (a) keep him inside, (b) nullify his Zeno powers plus (c) protect the jar itself from any breaking or cracking that could release him.

We could ask Zuno

Aren't there seals that drug you to the point where you don't know what's going on?

What about a seal that makes it so he would never want to escape?