This is quite stupid, I mean we're getting Kale in this damn arc, why a Broly reference so soon?
emperior wrote:Props to Toyotaro for giving Gohan his purple gi. And it seems like he isn't taking things very slowly.
I was about to say that, I love his two purple gi used in the Cell and Boo arc. I bet he will look cool on those as 'Ultimate'
Birusu16 wrote:So Vegeta's mastered SSJB as well and still got demolished by Beerus. I'm beginning to think Goku and Vegeta won't ever catch up to this guy. It's like he becomes more and more powerful with every power-up Goku and Vegeta get.
Not really. I mean apart from BoG (movie), Beerus never even come close to use 70% of his full power, so we don't know the extend of his potential, but I would like to see Goku or Vegeta surpassing him someday.
ekrolo2 wrote:Fusion made Vegetto at least SS3 Goku tier in Base.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Draconic wrote:The bullet thing is in, back tingles next. C'mon Toyo!
I will laugh my ass off if back tingles makes it in the manga, too. That's when you'll truly know that Toriyama doesn't think much about Super Saiyan anymore.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Draconic wrote:The bullet thing is in, back tingles next. C'mon Toyo!
I will laugh my ass off if back tingles makes it in the manga, too. That's when you'll truly know that Toriyama doesn't think much about Super Saiyan anymore.
emperior wrote:What was even the problem with Goku getting scratched by a bullet in the first place? I also always felt like it was Toriyama's idea, considering Goku getting scratched is what sets him to go to Beerus' planet for more training.
People were complaining about that way more than you think. Talking about how because Goku is so strong he shouldn't have even gotten a scratch from a stray bullet.
OLKv3 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Draconic wrote:The bullet thing is in, back tingles next. C'mon Toyo!
I will laugh my ass off if back tingles makes it in the manga, too. That's when you'll truly know that Toriyama doesn't think much about Super Saiyan anymore.
I'm 100% confident that it'll be in
Yeah, I'm certain it's gonna be in the manga. That sort thing just screams "Toiryama-esque" explanation. I'm also certain Kale's Broly-equse SSJ will be in there as well.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Draconic wrote:Okay. Toyotaro is giving Gohan the Piccolo outfit for this arc. God I love that!
And Tenshinhan's outfit is in the beautiful BoG colors, not the ugly RoF ones.
And the whole Buu stuff was bullshit, since Freeza is there from the start.
And 18 has silver hair... Well, it's Future Trunks all over again :lol:
what do u mean about buu? He never fell asleep or they never asked him? That would make 0 sense since buu would solo 99% of the universes by himself
Draconic wrote:Okay. Toyotaro is giving Gohan the Piccolo outfit for this arc. God I love that!
And Tenshinhan's outfit is in the beautiful BoG colors, not the ugly RoF ones.
And the whole Buu stuff was bullshit, since Freeza is there from the start.
And 18 has silver hair... Well, it's Future Trunks all over again
what do u mean about buu? He never fell asleep or they never asked him? That would make 0 sense since buu would solo 99% of the universes by himself
can you please elaborate
It's just the cover, he's referring to(I think).
The manga has not reached the point yet, where Goku recruits his team.
Buu sleeping will be in, as it is what sets Goku to seek Freeza out. No way Toei is free to establish that Buu fells asleep exactly for two months.
I also bet the 28 planets with life-form bit will also be in the manga. Back-tingle too as it's getting stressed over and over in the anime.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
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Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
The fact that Majin Boo is not on the cover, kind of speaks volume of how much Toriyama had nothing planned for him. I'm kind glad they're not beating the around the bush. I know we shouldn't look much into a cover, but I have a funny feeling the Zen Exhibition Matches may just happen for Goku and Gohan or just Goku.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ekrolo2 wrote:Fusion made Vegetto at least SS3 Goku tier in Base.
Anime only.
Nope, that's me talking about the manga, anime Vegetto is at least as strong as Bootenks.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
emperior wrote:Buu sleeping will be in, as it is what sets Goku to seek Freeza out. No way Toei is free to establish that Buu fells asleep exactly for two months.
I also bet the 28 planets with life-form bit will also be in the manga. Back-tingle too as it's getting stressed over and over in the anime.
If there's one thing I don't want in is the 28 planets tidbit. I'm fine with bullet scratches and tingly backs, not shrinking the Universe for no reason, almost contradictory to all the life forms showed and the idea Freeza had an expanding empire.
ekrolo2 wrote:Fusion made Vegetto at least SS3 Goku tier in Base.
Anime only.
Nope, that's me talking about the manga, anime Vegetto is at least as strong as Bootenks.
We never saw Base Vegetto fight in the DB manga, that's what he's saying
In the DBS manga, Base Vegetto is at least as strong as SSB Goku, since he casually blasted Merged Zamasu in half
emperior wrote:What was even the problem with Goku getting scratched by a bullet in the first place? I also always felt like it was Toriyama's idea, considering Goku getting scratched is what sets him to go to Beerus' planet for more training.
the problem is master roshi was catching rapid gun machine fire like nothing in DB with a PL of 139. We can assume base goku in Super is as strong as ssj3 goku in dbz based off feats so him being "SCratched" by a bullet is bogus
So here the US manga chapter 1. Looks like a cool Vegeta and Beerus sparring match. Vegeta started to master his SSB too, catching up, like always. And Whis.
I hope Gohan gets the purple again, teaming up with Piccolo, like in that picture.
Looks it's going slow, fine for me, as long as it's good.
emperior wrote:Buu sleeping will be in, as it is what sets Goku to seek Freeza out. No way Toei is free to establish that Buu fells asleep exactly for two months.
I also bet the 28 planets with life-form bit will also be in the manga. Back-tingle too as it's getting stressed over and over in the anime.
If there's one thing I don't want in is the 28 planets tidbit. I'm fine with bullet scratches and tingly backs, not shrinking the Universe for no reason, almost contradictory to all the life forms showed and the idea Freeza had an expanding empire.
Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of man that deliberately forgets old information he came up so that he has the brain capacity can come up with (and store) new information for developing concepts in the future stories and narratives. So I would bet my house on the "28 planets of life in the Universe" tidbit being in the manga. That's the kind of contradictory stuff that Toriyama is very guilty of producing, without taking into consideration the effect it may have on the story. I personally have no issue with it, but I would understand if somebody else would.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
emperior wrote:Buu sleeping will be in, as it is what sets Goku to seek Freeza out. No way Toei is free to establish that Buu fells asleep exactly for two months.
I also bet the 28 planets with life-form bit will also be in the manga. Back-tingle too as it's getting stressed over and over in the anime.
If there's one thing I don't want in is the 28 planets tidbit. I'm fine with bullet scratches and tingly backs, not shrinking the Universe for no reason, almost contradictory to all the life forms showed and the idea Freeza had an expanding empire.
Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of man that deliberately forgets old information he came up so that he has the brain capacity can come up with (and store) new information for developing concepts in the future stories and narratives. So I would bet my house on the "28 planets of life in the Universe" tidbit being in the manga. That's the kind of contradictory stuff that Toriyama is very guilty of producing, without taking into consideration the effect it may have on the story. I personally have no issue with it, but I would understand if somebody else would.
Yeah, I suspect it will be, it does bother me, I'd prefer if it didn't. The bullet mark and tingling, I'm fine with those.
Well Bulma is prego in this chapter, Vegeta DOES have complete SSJB for anyone wondering. Goku returns to his farming outfit. It's a slice of life chapter, Beerus training with Vegeta was awesome.
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Lord Beerus wrote:Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of man that deliberately forgets old information he came up so that he has the brain capacity can come up with (and store) new information for developing concepts in the future stories and narratives. So I would bet my house on the "28 planets of life in the Universe" tidbit being in the manga. That's the kind of contradictory stuff that Toriyama is very guilty of producing, without taking into consideration the effect it may have on the story. I personally have no issue with it, but I would understand if somebody else would.
Is it that common? I don't think so, most of the things are either blunders or retcons that don't contradict anything like the "bad air" in Boo's body.
Anyway this 28 planets is weirdly specific. I'm going to cross my fingers it isn't in and just be sad and move on if it is.
emperior wrote:What was even the problem with Goku getting scratched by a bullet in the first place? I also always felt like it was Toriyama's idea, considering Goku getting scratched is what sets him to go to Beerus' planet for more training.
the problem is master roshi was catching rapid gun machine fire like nothing in DB with a PL of 139. We can assume base goku in Super is as strong as ssj3 goku in dbz based off feats so him being "SCratched" by a bullet is bogus
Dragon ball feats are based of ki and even in that same arc Goku got messed up by a super gun, I never understood the anger behind that.
People want to bring up the bulma scene but forget that dragon ball was on gag logic back then, they broke the fourth wall all the time and Goku even pulled a panel.
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