"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

Looks like they accidentally spoiled that the blue pride trooper will be eliminated this week. On other hand looks like Dyspo won't be which is good.

The magazine usually releases on the 21st I think and episode 104 is the 20th.

I forgot what we're getting are leaks after all. It makes sense then.

[Basako]

Oh, I don't think this will be a prelude for SS4 and less to GT. As it's been said, SS4 came from the golden ozharu.

I'm curious about the explanations about this form, I hope Toei provides them this time.

[Hellspawn28]

They could bring back SSj4 similar what they did with LSSj for Kale. Maybe have Cabba go SSj4 and explain that it a rare hidden transformation. They could explain that in Universe 6 that it exist as a urban legend on Planet Sadala.

[HeroR]

They could bring back SSj4 similar what they did with LSSj for Kale. Maybe have Cabba go SSj4 and explain that it a rare hidden transformation. They could explain that in Universe 6 that it exist as a urban legend on Planet Sadala.

But no tails, which is key Super Saiyan 4.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegeta went SSj4 without a tail. So anything is possible.

[fadeddreams5]

That transformation looks really cool, but...

1. Its design seems more fitting for Goku Black or even Gohan.

2. Cool or not, there's a horrific oversaturation of SSJ transformations. It's sort of become a self-parody, like the sort of thing you'd see in a video making fun of this franchise This form better have a good explanation.

[shadowmaria]

Vegeta went SSj4 without a tail. So anything is possible.

Excellent point, however Vegeta's genius wife also pumped him full of Blutz Waves

[HeroR]

Vegeta went SSj4 without a tail. So anything is possible.

But he was hit with Blutz Waves, which forcibly made his tail grow back. The U6 Saiyans hasn't have tails in generations according to Cabba and U6's Supreme Kai.

[precita]

2. Cool or not, there's a horrific oversaturation of SSJ transformations. It's sort of become a self-parody, like the sort of thing you'd see in a video making fun of this franchise This form better have a good explanation.

I agree, people already for decades made fun of all the Super Saiyan transformations ever since SSJ3 existed, and it's gotten three times overkill now.

It's also hard to reconcile with the Saiyan lore from DBZ. Are we expected to believe all these other Saiyan forms always existed too?

[Rhuagh]

2. Cool or not, there's a horrific oversaturation of SSJ transformations. It's sort of become a self-parody, like the sort of thing you'd see in a video making fun of this franchise This form better have a good explanation.

I agree, people already for decades made fun of all the Super Saiyan transformations ever since SSJ3 existed, and it's gotten three times overkill now.

It's also hard to reconcile with the Saiyan lore from DBZ. Are we expected to believe all these other Saiyan forms always existed too?

The only forms mentioned in Saiyajin legends are Super Saiyajin and SS God. All others so far have been product of their work.

[Michsi]

2. Cool or not, there's a horrific oversaturation of SSJ transformations. It's sort of become a self-parody, like the sort of thing you'd see in a video making fun of this franchise This form better have a good explanation.

I think self-awareness over the silliness of these new transformations was smart move on the part of the writers, instead of choosing to play it 100% straight. If they were going to have multi colored SSJ, they might as well acknowledge that it has gotten ridiculous in-universe too. At this point, I'd be happy if they had the characters simply go: "Oh hey, Goku exploded into a another color." , "Of course he did." Or another super convoluted reason that has Freeza tripping over his own tongue.

[HeroR]

2. Cool or not, there's a horrific oversaturation of SSJ transformations. It's sort of become a self-parody, like the sort of thing you'd see in a video making fun of this franchise This form better have a good explanation.

I agree, people already for decades made fun of all the Super Saiyan transformations ever since SSJ3 existed, and it's gotten three times overkill now.

It's also hard to reconcile with the Saiyan lore from DBZ. Are we expected to believe all these other Saiyan forms always existed too?

Most of the parodies of Super Saiyan centers around Super Saiyan 3 with the wild hair and Super Saiyan 4 that turns Goku into a red monkey. The god Super Saiyan forms get made fun of for being recolors, but it isn't the same parody that has been going on for decades, which made the Super Saiyan forms completely over the top, not more simplified. Even then, people still gets excited to see a new form to the point that they would have been happy with SSB2 and SSB3, so it's really just a small subset who are sick of transformations.

And you keep saying "hard to reconcile with the Saiyan lore from Dragon Ball Z". The only lore giving about Super Saiyan in Z was that one Super Saiyan is born every one-thousand years and is the strongest in the universe, and that got thrown out by next story arc when Trunks came out of nowhere with Super Saiyan and some crackpot in a cave made androids stronger than a Super Saiyan.

[emperior]

I wonder if they will explain why the new form won't be compatible with Kaio-Ken. Now that it has been brought back, they should find a way to make it useless as it's a quite broken technique. Though it seems that ever since Goku had delayed on-set Ki disorder he isn't pumping up Kaio-Ken to 10x, so I would be fine if Kaio-Ken gets nerfed to a 2x limit.

[HeroR]

I wonder if they will explain why the new form won't be compatible with Kaio-Ken. Now that it has been brought back, they should find a way to make it useless as it's a quite broken technique. Though it seems that ever since Goku had delayed on-set Ki disorder he isn't pumping up Kaio-Ken to 10x, so I would be fine if Kaio-Ken gets nerfed to a 2x limit.

What makes you think they will nerf it, especially when Goku is using it more readily?

[Jigurashi]

Goku has no reason to be using SSBKKx10 at the moment though. Chances are, he'll probably try and use it against Jiren (hell Toei might even have him use SSBKKx20 and fail to do much of anything to Jiren) before this new form is brought out.

[emperior]

I wonder if they will explain why the new form won't be compatible with Kaio-Ken. Now that it has been brought back, they should find a way to make it useless as it's a quite broken technique. Though it seems that ever since Goku had delayed on-set Ki disorder he isn't pumping up Kaio-Ken to 10x, so I would be fine if Kaio-Ken gets nerfed to a 2x limit.

What makes you think they will nerf it, especially when Goku is using it more readily?

Because now that it has been brought back people will expect to see Goku using it even with the new forms he will unlock. So they will have to at least tell that Goku's new form is uncompatible with Kaioken.

[DainIronfoot]

Poor U3, that means if that guy loses they end up with 7 very cool and total useless statues in the arena.

Not really, Niggirishi was just fine while showcasing Narirama. I don't think Paparoni was there controlling Niggirishi while he was talking to the gods.


I'm pretty sure the others can function without Papa, but the "control" thing is more of him trying to form strategy/lead the team.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I was hoping for this show to usurp and destroy GT. Please, for the love of everything good, do not let this be an ss4 prelude.

It won't be, don't worry. That theory doesn't even make sense because the Golden Ape form is the precursor to Super Saiyan 4 and this most likely won't have anything to do with that.

More importantly, who on earth looked at that design and thought "Wow, I'm getting SS4 vibes!"?

Exactly. It's just because Goku seemigly has Black hair, that might not even be the final colour, people looking for connections that aren't there so they can presumably click bait.

[HeroR]

Because now that it has been brought back people will expect to see Goku using it even with the new forms he will unlock. So they will have to at least tell that Goku's new form is uncompatible with Kaioken.

All it will really tells us is that Goku probably can't mix it at the moment, just like Goku couldn't used the Kaioken with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan in the Resurrection 'F' Saga. He could barely used it in the Champa Saga and he had to have most of his limbs broken to used it against Merged Zamasu.

I was hoping for this show to usurp and destroy GT. Please, for the love of everything good, do not let this be an ss4 prelude.

It won't be, don't worry. That theory doesn't even make sense because the Golden Ape form is the precursor to Super Saiyan 4 and this most likely won't have anything to do with that.

More importantly, who on earth looked at that design and thought "Wow, I'm getting SS4 vibes!"?

Exactly. It's just because Goku seemigly has Black hair, that might not even be the final colour, people looking for connections that aren't there so they can presumably click bait.

From what I read, it's from people who think Goku's new form looks 'primal' like Super Saiyan 4 from the cat-like eyes and Goku appearing to be more musclier.

[SansrivaaL]

I'm surprised majority likes how the new form looks like, I was expecting about half and half liking and disliking it, but so far its all "it looks amazing, I dig it" etc. I'll definitely get my copy of V-Jump to get a better look at those beautiful kitty eyes.