How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

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Re: How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Post by ABED » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:10 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
ABED wrote:Bland in what respect?

There would have to be more to the director than an eye for visuals, action scenes, and an enjoyment of anime. Snyder is all wrong for DB.
Man of Steel is bland in terms of storytelling. Cavill is one of the worst actors to play Superman although he looks the part.
That's not specific. Bland is not a synonym for bad. Of all the words to use, bland would not be one I would use. It is definitely a Snyder movie. And Cavill is fine, it's the script that doesn't allow him to be as light and charismatic as he actually is. He is not one of the worst actors to play the part. Cain was worse.

I actually enjoy Man of Steel in spite of its flaws, but Snyder is all wrong for DB.
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Re: How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:12 pm

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8000 Saiyan wrote:
ABED wrote:Bland in what respect?

There would have to be more to the director than an eye for visuals, action scenes, and an enjoyment of anime. Snyder is all wrong for DB.
Man of Steel is bland in terms of storytelling. Cavill is one of the worst actors to play Superman although he looks the part.
That's not specific. Bland is not a synonym for bad. And Cavill is fine, it's the script that doesn't allow him to be as light and charismatic as he actually is. He is not one of the worst actors to play the part. Cain was worse.
I guess I was harsh on Cavill. Judging by his performance in The Man from U.N.C.L.E., the guy can give a good performance with a good script and good direction. But you're right, the scripts aren't giving him any favors.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:24 pm

Very far. DB is still a niche franchise in the US.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:55 am

I do think that we may never see a new Dragon Ball live action movie from Hollywood at all seeing how DBE was a critical and box office failure. Some franchises get one movie and that it is. Dragon Ball may be a huge brand name, but that does not mean that we will get another live action movie. Super Mario Bros. is one the most famous video game in history and it only had one movie in the last 25 years.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:27 am

ABED wrote:I actually enjoy Man of Steel in spite of its flaws, but Snyder is all wrong for DB.
Why Exactly?
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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:40 am

Because DB's humor and tone don't fit what Snyder does. His films tend to be darker and grittier.
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Re: How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:15 am

ABED wrote:Because DB's humor and tone don't fit what Snyder does. His films tend to be darker and grittier.
If he solely focused on the history of Trunks portion "with how limited material there is" he could do some nice things with it, but dragon ball in general no he's probably not the right person to direct.

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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:44 am

The tone of that special is more his style and he has a great eye for visuals and costuming (dull Superman colors notwithstanding), but he's not a great storyteller. I never come out of his films feeling emotionally satisfied. That's what I'm looking for a piece of art, be it a movie, TV series, or novel. I want to emotionally invest. A nice visual loses its appeal for me rather quickly if that's all there is to it.
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Post by Pluto » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:13 pm

^ Precisely why i mentioned James Cameron earlier. Not my favourite director at all, but Avatar is by far one of the few movies out there that is full of CGI and has an actual story that keeps you seated.

I am a bit disappointed that no one actually seems to argue the fact that Goku itself is a character that barely any actor out there could comprehend.
He has no whatsoever sense of humour yet he is humorous (indirectly, not by will at least). He has a shitty common sense, but is a combat genius.
Literary nobody comes to my mind that could "compatibly" scream accordingly or laugh like Goku.

Vegeta, Bulma, Frieza, they're all doable, Gohan too. Picolo would be a minor struggle, but a character like Goku does not exist anywhere.

EDIT: just a small addition, if you actually think of a perspective from a person that never ever has heard about Dragon Ball, i can tell you right here that he wont be intrigued by the name.

Dragon Ball, Dragon, Ball, i can already see a low IQ person imagining a dragon testicle.

Any director would find it inevitable to change the name to begin with.
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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:20 pm

It's a story but that's by far the blandest story he's ever told. The story is lifted straight from Ferngully or Dances with Wolves. It's such a ripoff that it makes him look like a hack. Cameron is a fantastic filmmaker, but Avatar doesn't show that at all. It's derivative and bland with stock characters and awful dialog. He loves scifi and can tell a great story, but DB isn't in his wheelhouse.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:38 pm

James Cameron doing Dragon Ball would work if it was the early-mid 90's.True Lies in 1994 was his last good movie and has done nothing worth watching since then. I also think having Snyder directing a DB movie would be a terrible idea. It reminds me how people wanted The Wachowskis to direct a DB movie in the early-mid 2000's because of the third Matrix movie.
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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:42 pm

I happen to enjoy Titanic, but yes, True Lies is one of Cameron's best movies and that's saying a lot. This is the guy that made Terminator, T2, and Aliens.

I don't like that people seem to throw out random names of directors for any property they like. Unless the director intends to stretch, you have to find a director whose style matches the source material. Nolan sure as hell doesn't fit DB, nor does Cameron.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:17 pm

I think Titanic is way overrated. DiCaprio and Winslet have good chemistry and the special effects are great, but the dialogue is awful and it's too corny and melodramatic.

Anyway back to the topic, I think James Gunn (Has he been mentioned yet?) would be the best choice for a live-action DB.
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Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:33 pm

He's never been great with dialog nor has Nolan.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:46 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:I think Titanic is way overrated. DiCaprio and Winslet have good chemistry and the special effects are great, but the dialogue is awful and it's too corny and melodramatic.

Anyway back to the topic, I think James Gunn (Has he been mentioned yet?) would be the best choice for a live-action DB.
After Guardians 2, I'm convinced GotG1 was a fluke, having him on anything would murder any interest I could have in a project.

Here's a better idea: fuck off from live action DB, most of it's too long form to make into even a trilogy of movies and a TV can't do it budget wise so I say it's folly to do it. Especially since anime/manga fans are even more hardcore source material nazis then western comic fans are so if you cut it down for a movie trilogy, at least, it'll still just annoy this big contingent of people.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:22 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
Anyway back to the topic, I think James Gunn (Has he been mentioned yet?) would be the best choice for a live-action DB.
I like James Gunn work when he does horror movies and low budget B movies than his Marvel movies. Dragon Ball is a wuxia series and I feel like we need a director that understands wuxia or at least knows how it works.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:34 pm

ABED wrote:Nolan sure as hell doesn't fit DB, nor does Cameron.
Why not? Before Sam Reimi and Peter Jackson directed Siperman and Lord of the Rings respectively they directed movies that tonally didn't match neither of these blockbuster movies.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:36 pm

If we were to get a movie, would you want them to adapt the manga's story panal by panal or make a completely new one/adjusted version of the manga's ?
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:45 pm

I think the best time for a DBZ live action movie to happen would be in the early-mid 90's in Hong Kong. Stephen Chow was making movies in the 90's, so he would have been the best choice at the time. I know Fox wanted him to direct a DB live action movie, but I feel like it would have been too late by 2007. The resurgence of martial arts films that we had in the late 90's and early-mid 2000's was over by then.
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Re: How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Post by ABED » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
ABED wrote:Nolan sure as hell doesn't fit DB, nor does Cameron.
Why not? Before Sam Reimi and Peter Jackson directed Siperman and Lord of the Rings respectively they directed movies that tonally didn't match neither of these blockbuster movies.
Raimi's Evil Dead trilogy wasn't the exact same tone, but he had shown with different movies like The Quick and the Dead and A Simple Plan that he had range. Then there's Darkman which was a superhero movie of sorts.

As for Jackson, he had shown range from weird horror movies to Heavenly Creatures.

But neither Nolan nor Cameron have shown the slightest interest in the sort of silliness that DB uses to great effect.
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