"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Kishido]

I just want to point out that Vegeta is a liar.

Talks abotu gaining everything Goku has... But what about SSJ3 my boy? Till now you haven't showed it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

Bullshit... That's why Goku said to Caulifla she will gain it soon?

That's just headcanon of Veggie fans trying to explain why he never got it in GT and even now before SSB.

Fact is... He never showed it... Toriyama never showed it and TOEI as well... If he could do it they for sure would make a scene of it just for marketing as well.

And just because he has SSB doesn't mean he can go SSJ3

[sintzu]

SSJ2 Vegeta > Goku Black > Full power Super Saiyajin 2 Trunks > SSJ3 Goku.

Toriyama said Ssj2 & 3 are powered up versions of 1 so could Vegeta's form be a perfected Ssj1 while the long hair form is an unperfected one ? Kind of like sage mode in Naruto where Jiraya couldn't fully master it so he looked a bit like a frog while Naruto looked normal due to him being able to fully control it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

Can someone please tell me where this comes from ? it's always brought up yet no one has anything official to back it up. Toriyama himself said Ssj3 is just a powered up Ssj1, meaning there's nothing special about it.

[jplaya2023]

I just want to point out that Vegeta is a liar.

Talks abotu gaining everything Goku has... But what about SSJ3 my boy? Till now you haven't showed it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

Bullshit... That's why Goku said to Caulifla she will gain it soon?

That's just headcanon of Veggie fans trying to explain why he never got it in GT and even now before SSB.

Fact is... He never showed it... Toriyama never showed it and TOEI as well... If he could do it they for sure would make a scene of it just for marketing as well.

And just because he has SSB doesn't mean he can go SSJ3

goku saying that to her is bad writing it makes no sense either. Vegeta is smarter trains more than she does and he couldn't reach it. Niether could gohan. Super is messed up in a lot of instances and that's no difference. If vegeta allegedly had SSJ3 he would've shown it against beerus after he slapped bulma. That would've been the perfect time to show it.

[sintzu]

If he could do it they for sure would make a scene of it just for marketing as well.

Just because he has SSB doesn't mean he can go SSJ3

He got SsjG in the manga so he might get 3 as well, maybe he shows it to Cabba or something.

How couldn't it ? if his body is strong enough for that form then him and Goku could easily use 3 now.

goku saying that to her is bad writing it makes no sense either.

Vegeta is smarter trains more than she does and he couldn't reach it.

If vegeta allegedly had SSJ3 he would've shown it against beerus after he slapped bulma.

That would've been the perfect time to show it.

Because it doens't line up with a fan theory that made no sense to begin with ?

He could probably sleep in it at this point.

He wasn't strong enough back then but now his base power far surpasses what's required for it so there's nothing stopping him from just powering up to it if he wanted.

True but that doesn't mean they never will, remember that people said we'd never see him in SsjG.

[Kishido]

If he could do it they for sure would make a scene of it just for marketing as well.

Just because he has SSB doesn't mean he can go SSJ3

He got SsjG in the manga so he might get 3 as well, maybe he shows it to Cabba or something.

How couldn't it ? if his body is strong enough for that form then him and Goku could easily use 3 now.

goku saying that to her is bad writing it makes no sense either.

Vegeta is smarter trains more than she does and he couldn't reach it.

If vegeta allegedly had SSJ3 he would've shown it against beerus after he slapped bulma.

That would've been the perfect time to show it.

Because it doens't line up with a fan theory that made no sense to begin with ?

He could probably sleep in it at this point.

He wasn't strong enough back then but now his base power far surpasses what's required for it so there's nothing stopping him from just powering up to it if he wanted.

True but that doesn't mean they never will, remember that people said we'd never see him in SsjG.

But they missed the best chance against Beerus... In the U6 arc against the likes as Cabba explaining him the forms... or even after Trunks asked him... He could show it just to go into SSB to shock Trunks

[Draconic]

With Toyotaro having already reintroduced God for both Goku and Vegeta, I think it would be cool to show Vegeta in SSJ3 too, in the context of training Cabba or something like what Goku did in the anime with Caulifla.

[Noah]

Here the last page:
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Interesting, I thought Zeno's button (not you, mate) served to bring him to the exactly place Goku was, but it can also bring Goku to his place?

[FortuneSSJ]

Interesting, I thought Zeno's button (not you, mate) served to bring him to the exactly place Goku was, but it can also bring Goku to his place?

Yeah that's what happened in the anime too. There are two buttons, one in each side. One summons Zeno, the other takes the user to Zeno.

[Noah]

Yeah that's what happened in the anime too. There are two buttons, one in each side. One summons Zeno, the other takes the user to Zeno.

Oh, of course! How could I forget?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[HeroR]

I just want to point out that Vegeta is a liar.

Talks abotu gaining everything Goku has... But what about SSJ3 my boy? Till now you haven't showed it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

You can since Gotenks got it and Goku said Cali could too.

[jplaya2023]

I just want to point out that Vegeta is a liar.

Talks abotu gaining everything Goku has... But what about SSJ3 my boy? Till now you haven't showed it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

You can since Gotenks got it and Goku said Cali could too.

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

[Kishido]

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

You can since Gotenks got it and Goku said Cali could too.

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

Again it's your head canon and never once it was stated.

People just made it up because of Vegeta not gaining it in GT

[jplaya2023]

You can since Gotenks got it and Goku said Cali could too.

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

Again it's your head canon and never once it was stated.

People just made it up because of Vegeta not gaining it in GT

GT is non canon trash. In the canon manga king kai told goku not to turn ssj3 because the transformation affected his time on earth. Goku stated ssj3 was not as effective because he was back in his living body and he couldn't hold his chi. In the manga (before super) it was heavily implied for ssj3 to be something not reached with training alone it was a "special" form.

[Kishido]

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

Again it's your head canon and never once it was stated.

People just made it up because of Vegeta not gaining it in GT

GT is non canon trash. In the canon manga king kai told goku not to turn ssj3 because the transformation affected his time on earth. Goku stated ssj3 was not as effective because he was back in his living body and he couldn't hold his chi. In the manga (before super) it was heavily implied for ssj3 to be something not reached with training alone it was a "special" form.

And non if this says it couldn't be gained in the living world... And soon you will see it through the U6 Saiyans... But your head canon will be twisted to say U6 Saiyans are different

And at the time of GT... it was canon... And people still came up with this head canon theory to explain why Vegeta couldn't

[HeroR]

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

But he wasn't dead nor in Otherworld. You claimed that you can't get Super Saiyan 3 if you're alive or in the living world. The Hypobolic Time Chamber is still in the world of the living and you go to the afterlife if you die in it. And what does being a fusion have to do with anything?

[jplaya2023]

Again it's your head canon and never once it was stated.

People just made it up because of Vegeta not gaining it in GT

GT is non canon trash. In the canon manga king kai told goku not to turn ssj3 because the transformation affected his time on earth. Goku stated ssj3 was not as effective because he was back in his living body and he couldn't hold his chi. In the manga (before super) it was heavily implied for ssj3 to be something not reached with training alone it was a "special" form.

And non if this says it couldn't be gained in the living world... And soon you will see it through the U6 Saiyans... But your head canon will be twisted to say U6 Saiyans are different

And at the time of GT... it was canon... And people still came up with this head canon theory to explain why Vegeta couldn't

the writing on super is trash. either AT has gone senile, or he doesn't care about the continuity of Z. He has changed a lot of the aspects of Super that retcon Z and it has made super suffer for doing that. If U6 saiyans get ssj3 after not even know what ssj was a month ago it will show how badly AT has forgotten about Z or he's trying to power them up as quickly as possibly which makes the story seem rushed and awful. the god honest truth it U6 should be weaker than base namek goku as they never had the power to get to ssj or even knew what it was. I'd rather seem them have unique transformations not into ssjs but into another form to combat thr U7 warriors.

[jplaya2023]

gotenks was a fusion body inside a space where time operated differently than normal time.

But he wasn't dead nor in Otherworld. You claimed that you can't get Super Saiyan 3 if you're alive or in the living world. The Hypobolic Time Chamber is still in the world of the living and you go to the afterlife if you die in it. And what does being a fusion have to do with anything?

he was in a magical fusion body in a chamber where time flowed differently. I guarantee you gotenks does not get ssj3 training in the living world. It's the reason why fusion ran out quickly because the form drains to much chi and not sustainable in a fusion or a live body.

[HeroR]

he was in a magical fusion body in a chamber where time flowed differently. I guarantee you gotenks does not get ssj3 training in the living world. It's the reason why fusion ran out quickly because the form drains to much chi and not sustainable in a fusion or a live body.

But being magical has nothing to do with being dead or in the afterlife. There're two different things. And the Hypobolic Time Chamber is in the living world. It's just a different dimension. Just like Hit is still in the living world when he goes into his pocket dimension.

Super Saiyan 3 is draining period, alive or dead.

the writing on super is trash. either AT has gone senile, or he doesn't care about the continuity of Z. He has changed a lot of the aspects of Super that retcon Z and it has made super suffer for doing that. If U6 saiyans get ssj3 after not even know what ssj was a month ago it will show how badly AT has forgotten about Z or he's trying to power them up as quickly as possibly which makes the story seem rushed and awful. the god honest truth it U6 should be weaker than base namek goku as they never had the power to get to ssj or even knew what it was. I'd rather seem them have unique transformations not into ssjs but into another form to combat thr U7 warriors.

Nothing was retcon since Z never claimed Super Saiyan 3 was a special form that you needed to be dead to gain. Only that it's draining and best maintained by a dead body.

And why would the U6 Saiyans only be Namek Saga Goku's level when you don't know what they've been through and they have evolved differently to the point of not having tails. They also never got Super Saiyan because they didn't know it even existed, not because they didn't know about it.

Toriyama is not senile and Super isn't badly written because it doesn't follow your headcanon.

[LowRyder2005]

he was in a magical fusion body in a chamber where time flowed differently. I guarantee you gotenks does not get ssj3 training in the living world. It's the reason why fusion ran out quickly because the form drains to much chi and not sustainable in a fusion or a live body.

But being magical has nothing to do with being dead or in the afterlife. There're two different things. And the Hypobolic Time Chamber is in the living world. It's just a different dimension. Just like Hit is still in the living world when he goes into his pocket dimension.

Super Saiyan 3 is draining period, alive or dead.

the writing on super is trash. either AT has gone senile, or he doesn't care about the continuity of Z. He has changed a lot of the aspects of Super that retcon Z and it has made super suffer for doing that. If U6 saiyans get ssj3 after not even know what ssj was a month ago it will show how badly AT has forgotten about Z or he's trying to power them up as quickly as possibly which makes the story seem rushed and awful. the god honest truth it U6 should be weaker than base namek goku as they never had the power to get to ssj or even knew what it was. I'd rather seem them have unique transformations not into ssjs but into another form to combat thr U7 warriors.

Nothing was retcon since Z never claimed Super Saiyan 3 was a special form that you needed to be dead to gain. Only that it's draining and best maintained by a dead body.

And why would the U6 Saiyans only be Namek Saga Goku's level when you don't know what they've been through and they have evolved differently to the point of not having tails. They also never got Super Saiyan because they didn't know it even existed, not because they didn't know about it.

Toriyama is not senile and Super isn't badly written because it doesn't follow your headcanon.

I feel like our friend's is quite beyond your average headcanon, and that we're hitting Goya's "the sleep of reason produces monsters" levels.



I still don't understand how this comes full circle, though: the gist of it is that Gotenks can't get SS3 out of the ROSAT, and Caulifla is stated to can only because the writers of Super are too dumb to know better?

[Basako]

I just want to point out that Vegeta is a liar.

Talks abotu gaining everything Goku has... But what about SSJ3 my boy? Till now you haven't showed it.

you can't obtain ssj3 being alive in the living world.

Who said that? Apart from you? Ok, no more questions.