"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[BlueBasilisk]

When Whis talked about the strongest mortal it wasn't stated what universe he's from. They never mentioned him being from U4, and all evidence points out towards this mortal being from one of the 4 universes not in the ToP.

I meant the subject was about one Hakaishin that Beerus lost a arm wrestling, which was Quitela from Universe 4, right? So we could suppose that the said mortal is from it as there two shadowed figures to be revelead.

The shadowed figures were revealed in V-jump. It's green bug Damon and his twin blue bug brother.

[HeroR]

I'm tired of being ghetto gagged with Goku. First they retcon Goku's absorption of Super Saiyan God, then they having him transform into Blue over and over to help HIT when Whis said that burns stamina, Goku is for some reason not going after Jiren and is instead butting in on Hit and U6's fight, leaving Caulifla to just watch when it's her damn teammate in trouble. What about the two nameks then? Can they help? Magetta? Oh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode. Then he steals Vegeta's back and forth Red and Blue switching from the manga. Then Goku implies he will hog the Hit fight as well as Jiren. Then they call Goku and Hit the dream team, Goku U7's ace, and we know Goku's getting a new form...STOP. ENOUGH. I'm sick of him. I f***ing hate him. His attitude completely undermines the stakes of the tournament. He'll butt in for HIT, but won't when his supposed"best friend" Krillin struggles. If Toriyama wanted to write the idiot Goku he always wanted, who doesn't know what a kiss is and wants to fight at all costs, with the "Poison slipping in and out of the shadows", then he should have done a damn reboot instead of a continuation of a series where Goku wasn't like that.

And seeing how Goku is all they have to offer, I'm done.

They didn't retcon it. He still absorbed godhood, which is how he can get it without the ritual. If you looked at the movie Battle of Gods, Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God to the point that he didn't even noticed he lost Super Saiyan God and went to his base form, and then got Super Saiyan God again near the end of the movie. Also, transforming into Blue doesn't drain stamina like it does in the manga.

Also, Krillin got ringed out so quickly that 18, who was right next to him, couldn't save him. So there was really nothing Goku could have done for him. As for Cali, she was still weak and there wasn't really anything she could do. Even then, she was ready to jump in before Goku did.

[Totamo]

I'm tired of being ghetto gagged with Goku. First they retcon Goku's absorption of Super Saiyan God, then they having him transform into Blue over and over to help HIT when Whis said that burns stamina, Goku is for some reason not going after Jiren and is instead butting in on Hit and U6's fight, leaving Caulifla to just watch when it's her damn teammate in trouble. What about the two nameks then? Can they help? Magetta? Oh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode. Then he steals Vegeta's back and forth Red and Blue switching from the manga. Then Goku implies he will hog the Hit fight as well as Jiren. Then they call Goku and Hit the dream team, Goku U7's ace, and we know Goku's getting a new form...STOP. ENOUGH. I'm sick of him. I f***ing hate him. His attitude completely undermines the stakes of the tournament. He'll butt in for HIT, but won't when his supposed"best friend" Krillin struggles. If Toriyama wanted to write the idiot Goku he always wanted, who doesn't know what a kiss is and wants to fight at all costs, with the "Poison slipping in and out of the shadows", then he should have done a damn reboot instead of a continuation of a series where Goku wasn't like that.

And seeing how Goku is all they have to offer, I'm done.

toriyama can do whatever wants with the series, he spend 11 years on it. We don't have to like it but thats a fact.


other than that, bye

[Grimlock]

IOh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode.

There are other aspects I agree with you and that makes this tournament kinda lame but I'm gonna highlight this one for now. It's so damn weird that Goku has to appear in every single episode. Popping out from nowhere in battles he shouldn't have anything to do with.

But I'm sure that when the time comes, he will battle with the Yadorat because that's the one he should be involved with. That Yadorat owes an explanation and his contribution. Then he and mainly Vegeta will battle against the Tsufurujin, because he and Vegeta are really the ones to have something to do with him. Having that in mind, I try to ignore this whole Goku show, hoping I'll be rewarded soon enough.

[MrBlackFox]

After this episode, I'm sure about a thing, even more than before: Jiren is the worst character ever created in this franchise

Toei and Toriyama's intentions were to give him a misterious, powerful an serious tone, making him feel like a really dangerous enemy

Now I feel like they dragged this game for too long, basically making him looks like a retarded, buff idiot who can't say a word other than " get lost" and " mmhhh" ( this episode)


What the fuck, eliminate him NOW I can't stand him anymore, seriously

I know is probably impossible, but I'd laugh my ass off if someone stronger kicks in and beat him to death
Please Toei make me love him, make him do something really badass to change my mind

The arc isn't over yet, stop exaggerating. I don't like how Jiren is being handled but the arc isn't over yet, he could end up being one of the more cooler bosses. Remember when the big bad Freeza was just a posh guy in a hover chair? Or the big bad Buu was a pink chubby creature?

Yup, thinking in these terms you're right
But even at the start of their arcs, Buu and Frieza, especially the last one, looked way more cruel and strong personality wise

Two months have passed and he did absolutely nothing, even if he'll get his revenge later, we still have many potentially episodes good for him thrown in the garbage

[TBMx]

They didn't retcon it. He still absorbed godhood, which is how he can get it without the ritual. If you looked at the movie Battle of Gods, Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God to the point that he didn't even noticed he lost Super Saiyan God and went to his base form, and then got Super Saiyan God again near the end of the movie. Also, transforming into Blue doesn't drain stamina like it does in the manga.

Also, Krillin got ringed out so quickly that 18, who was right next to him, couldn't save him. So there was really nothing Goku could have done for him. As for Cali, she was still weak and there wasn't really anything she could do. Even then, she was ready to jump in before Goku did.

Too quickly? like Dyspo who moves at superluminal speed?
Even before Krillin got ringed out, he was struggling. Goku nowhere to be seen. As soon as Hit takes a couple of attacks, Goku's right there. During his fight with Beerus, Goku as a Super Saiyan said he felt no weaker than when he had SSRed. So this is pointless. And Whis said in ep 104 that Blue drains stamina. Goku is wasting stamina saving HIt when he was all about going after Jiren. What's he even doing on this side of the battlefield? I don't give a shit if Caulifla or Kale is weak. I don't care. Write them as recovered. Or introduce the two nameks we havent seen yet. Write Magetta coming in. Why Goku? Is the next episode a fake out too? Will Goku mostly be in that as well? I guess so. Cos he has to be everywhere. I can't stand it anymore.

[Totamo]

IOh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode.

There are other aspects I agree with you and that makes this tournament kinda lame but I'm gonna highlight this one for now. It's so damn weird that Goku has to appear in every single episode. Popping out from nowhere in battles he shouldn't have anything to do with.

But I'm sure that when the time comes, he will battle with the Yadorat because that's the one he should be involved with. That Yadorat owes an explanation and his contribution. Then he and mainly Vegeta will battle against the Tsufurujin, because he and Vegeta are really the ones to have something to do with him. Having that in mind, I try to ignore this whole Goku show, hoping I'll be rewarded soon enough.

You won't be. Goku is the most popular character by a huge margin in Japan. They can't get enough of the guy. Unlike here, where everyone likes the other characters in a more diverse faction. If you are calling it the Goku show now, you will hate it later.


I suggest stop watching now.

[HeroR]

They didn't retcon it. He still absorbed godhood, which is how he can get it without the ritual. If you looked at the movie Battle of Gods, Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God to the point that he didn't even noticed he lost Super Saiyan God and went to his base form, and then got Super Saiyan God again near the end of the movie. Also, transforming into Blue doesn't drain stamina like it does in the manga.

Also, Krillin got ringed out so quickly that 18, who was right next to him, couldn't save him. So there was really nothing Goku could have done for him. As for Cali, she was still weak and there wasn't really anything she could do. Even then, she was ready to jump in before Goku did.

Too quickly? like Dyspo who moves at superluminal speed?
Even before Krillin got ringed out, he was struggling. Goku nowhere to be seen. As soon as Hit takes a couple of attacks, Goku's right there. During his fight with Beerus, Goku as a Super Saiyan said he felt no weaker than when he had SSRed. So this is pointless. And Whis said in ep 104 that Blue drains stamina. Goku is wasting stamina saving HIt when he was all about going after Jiren. What's he even doing on this side of the battlefield? I don't give a shit if Caulifla or Kale is weak. I don't care. Write them as recovered. Or introduce the two nameks we havent seen yet. Write Magetta coming in. Why Goku? Is the next episode a fake out too? Will Goku mostly be in that as well? I guess so. Cos he has to be everywhere. I can't stand it anymore.

Again, 18 was right next to Krillin and couldn't help him. Why would Goku be able to save Krillin quicker than 18 when we don't even know where he is on the ring or what he's doing? Hit wasn't sucker punched out of the ring. He had a long battle and Goku was obviously aware of it since he knew Hit was being ganged on. Has the anime shown that Goku was aware of Krillin and 18's battle?

Again, Goku felt no weaker, yet he still went Super Saiyan God in the end of the movie. So this isn't a retcon since it happened before in the movie and it was said back in Episode 38 Bleu drains stamina. This isn't new information and Goku hasn't been chasing Jiren since Episode 102.

So you're complaining about 'bad writing', but you want Kale and Cali to magically recover? Okay then.

And Megetta wouldn't be able to do much since he's at best around Super Saiyan Goku's level while Dyspo is kicking the shit in of someone who could waste a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Goku came in mostly because he's closer and he wanted to help since he has a score to settle with Hit. And Goku didn't even show up until more than half of the episode was over. So I am not sure where you're getting 'mostly' Goku from.

You can stand it anymore, whatever, but blaming Goku for not helping Krillin when his own wife couldn't when she's right next to guy is spitting hairs or claiming that something was 'retcon' when it wasn't.

IOh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode.

There are other aspects I agree with you and that makes this tournament kinda lame but I'm gonna highlight this one for now. It's so damn weird that Goku has to appear in every single episode. Popping out from nowhere in battles he shouldn't have anything to do with.

But I'm sure that when the time comes, he will battle with the Yadorat because that's the one he should be involved with. That Yadorat owes an explanation and his contribution. Then he and mainly Vegeta will battle against the Tsufurujin, because he and Vegeta are really the ones to have something to do with him. Having that in mind, I try to ignore this whole Goku show, hoping I'll be rewarded soon enough.

You won't be. Goku is the most popular character by a huge margin in Japan. They can't get enough of the guy. Unlike here, where everyone likes the other characters in a more diverse faction. If you are calling it the Goku show now, you will hate it later.


I suggest stop watching now.

Goku usually ranked number 1 or 2 here in polls in the US. So where is this "here, where everyone likes the other characters in a more diverse faction" coming from?

[Yedis]

When Whis talked about the strongest mortal it wasn't stated what universe he's from. They never mentioned him being from U4, and all evidence points out towards this mortal being from one of the 4 universes not in the ToP.

I meant the subject was about one Hakaishin that Beerus lost a arm wrestling, which was Quitela from Universe 4, right? So we could suppose that the said mortal is from it as there two shadowed figures to be revelead.

They revealed a couple of days ago who know who the 2 shadowy figures are. They are buried underground or invisible. And we also know what one of their techniques are. Seeing how they are twins I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar techniques.

[Noah]

The shadowed figures were revealed in V-jump. It's green bug Damon and his twin blue bug brother.

Do you have the picture?

[Totamo]

They didn't retcon it. He still absorbed godhood, which is how he can get it without the ritual. If you looked at the movie Battle of Gods, Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God to the point that he didn't even noticed he lost Super Saiyan God and went to his base form, and then got Super Saiyan God again near the end of the movie. Also, transforming into Blue doesn't drain stamina like it does in the manga.

Also, Krillin got ringed out so quickly that 18, who was right next to him, couldn't save him. So there was really nothing Goku could have done for him. As for Cali, she was still weak and there wasn't really anything she could do. Even then, she was ready to jump in before Goku did.

Too quickly? like Dyspo who moves at superluminal speed?
Even before Krillin got ringed out, he was struggling. Goku nowhere to be seen. As soon as Hit takes a couple of attacks, Goku's right there. During his fight with Beerus, Goku as a Super Saiyan said he felt no weaker than when he had SSRed. So this is pointless. And Whis said in ep 104 that Blue drains stamina. Goku is wasting stamina saving HIt when he was all about going after Jiren. What's he even doing on this side of the battlefield? I don't give a shit if Caulifla or Kale is weak. I don't care. Write them as recovered. Or introduce the two nameks we havent seen yet. Write Magetta coming in. Why Goku? Is the next episode a fake out too? Will Goku mostly be in that as well? I guess so. Cos he has to be everywhere. I can't stand it anymore.

Again, 18 was right next to Krillin and couldn't help him. Why would Goku be able to save Krillin quicker than 18 when we don't even know where he is on the ring or what he's doing? Hit wasn't sucker punched out of the ring. He had a long battle and Goku was obviously aware of it since he knew Hit was being ganged on. Has the anime shown that Goku was aware of Krillin and 18's battle?

Again, Goku felt no weaker, yet he still went Super Saiyan God in the end of the movie. So this isn't a retcon since it happened before in the movie and it was said back in Episode 38 Bleu drains stamina. This isn't new information and Goku hasn't been chasing Jiren since Episode 102.

So you're complaining about 'bad writing', but you want Kale and Cali to magically recover? Okay then.

And Megetta wouldn't be able to do much since he's at best around Super Saiyan Goku's level while Dyspo is kicking the shit in of someone who could waste a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Goku came in mostly because he's closer and he wanted to help since he has a score to settle with Hit. And Goku didn't even show up until more than half of the episode was over. So I am not sure where you're getting 'mostly' Goku from.

You can stand it anymore, whatever, but blaming Goku for not helping Krillin when his own wife couldn't when she's right next to guy is spitting hairs or claiming that something was 'retcon' when it wasn't.

There are other aspects I agree with you and that makes this tournament kinda lame but I'm gonna highlight this one for now. It's so damn weird that Goku has to appear in every single episode. Popping out from nowhere in battles he shouldn't have anything to do with.

But I'm sure that when the time comes, he will battle with the Yadorat because that's the one he should be involved with. That Yadorat owes an explanation and his contribution. Then he and mainly Vegeta will battle against the Tsufurujin, because he and Vegeta are really the ones to have something to do with him. Having that in mind, I try to ignore this whole Goku show, hoping I'll be rewarded soon enough.

You won't be. Goku is the most popular character by a huge margin in Japan. They can't get enough of the guy. Unlike here, where everyone likes the other characters in a more diverse faction. If you are calling it the Goku show now, you will hate it later.


I suggest stop watching now.

Goku usually ranked number 1 or 2 here in polls in the US. So where is this "here, where everyone likes the other characters in a more diverse faction" coming from?

You know what I meant. People in this west like Goku. But the gap is far smaller here than in Japan.

[Yedis]

I wonder if there is a faction of Japanese fans who resent Goku like there is among American DB fans.

[YonedgeHP]

The shadowed figures were revealed in V-jump. It's green bug Damon and his twin blue bug brother.

Do you have the picture?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Vegeta-Sama]

I'm tired of being ghetto gagged with Goku. First they retcon Goku's absorption of Super Saiyan God, then they having him transform into Blue over and over to help HIT when Whis said that burns stamina, Goku is for some reason not going after Jiren and is instead butting in on Hit and U6's fight, leaving Caulifla to just watch when it's her damn teammate in trouble. What about the two nameks then? Can they help? Magetta? Oh wait, Toei has to fill their stupid Goku quota for every single episode. Then he steals Vegeta's back and forth Red and Blue switching from the manga. Then Goku implies he will hog the Hit fight as well as Jiren. Then they call Goku and Hit the dream team, Goku U7's ace, and we know Goku's getting a new form...STOP. ENOUGH. I'm sick of him. I f***ing hate him. His attitude completely undermines the stakes of the tournament. He'll butt in for HIT, but won't when his supposed"best friend" Krillin struggles. If Toriyama wanted to write the idiot Goku he always wanted, who doesn't know what a kiss is and wants to fight at all costs, with the "Poison slipping in and out of the shadows", then he should have done a damn reboot instead of a continuation of a series where Goku wasn't like that.

And seeing how Goku is all they have to offer, I'm done.

You re not the only one.
Check that poll out from today on Gamefaqs:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000113 ... l/75689357

[Oracle]

More details of the Vjump poster.

Spoiler:

[precita]

I don't get why they show 18 with white hair instead of blonde...

[Simere]

That Caulifla is still a tragedy.

[Michsi]

That Caulifla is still a tragedy.

I think Kale is the one that didn't end up so well vtbh. Eyes look a little lopsided. I don't get what people don't like about Caulifla here. Sure, she looks rougher, more mature, but I think that's good. Seems like they traded "cute" for "cocky".

[MisteryOne]

I don't get why they show 18 with white hair instead of blonde...

Same reason they showed Mirai Trunks with blue hair. Plus unlike Trunks, iirc 18 was never show to be blonde in the manga (correct me if I'm wrong).

[Lord Beerus]

I don't get why they show 18 with white hair instead of blonde...

She's getting old, obviously. Another indication that after this arc we're going straight to EOZ.