Tombstone1988 wrote: Lord Frieza wrote:
precita wrote:Kale knocked out that lizard guy in one punch makes no difference though, there was no way to gauge his power.
Not talking about him, I'm talking about th the fact it took SSB Kale (who's power is on a godly level) and SS2 Cauli to beat 4 of the Troopers in a beam struggle and Cocotte's powers were enough to tank the blast. Then it took Goku going SSb to be able to bumrush through Kunshi's threads.
So going by that just one of the Pride Troopers could have ended the entire Android arc on their own. Hell thats proabably just a days work for them.
I half-agree and half-disagree with you. I think Kunshi is definitely stronger than the other six, but Kahseral and his men are likely somewhere around Perfect Cell level individually (which technically makes them capable of the feats you describe), maybe slightly stronger. This arc has put a big emphasis on teamwork and coordination having massive advantages, even if it doesn't always portray that properly. Individually, the wolf trio couldn't do anything to Goku and Vegeta, but together? Well, you need a SSB Final Kamehameha to overpower that. Same thing likely applies to their "United Justice Stream." 18 also quite easily dispatched Tupper and 17 didn't seem to be having much trouble with Kahseral. I find it very hard to believe that 18 is somehow massively stronger than she was back in the Buu saga; stronger, yes, but not exponentially so.
Really though, the biggest determining factor is Caulifla. Kettle pretty much destroyed base Caulifla, so the question is how strong is base Caulifla? If she's weaker than base Goku, then everything I said likely applies. If she's supposed to be about equal to base Goku, though, then things get confusing.
since your willing to meet me half way, its only fair I do the same.
Ok just to get a few points of the way first so you see were I'm comeing from and we get more common ground.
Ok so what I'm gonna do is give a rough power scaleing for the whole team based on how I see it. The points to go over first, A) I think we can agree that not all the Pride Troopers are equal. B) the majority of their fights pit them against what amounts to some of the strongest warriors in the whole tournamant so they are not going to give the best showing. C) Super, like it or hate it, dose wabble the power scaling from time to time and for the build up to the tournamant the majority of the cast trained and got stronger, how realistic that is and to what digree is not part of the debate but I mention it so that if my views dont quite add up with yours we can at least pin down that particuler issue when it crops up from the get go. D) This is all done with rough estimastion since exact power scaleing by numbers is really not possible at this stage.
Jiren - Nothing need to be said here. Jiren is depicted as the most powerful fighter in the tournamant. His level can easily be said to be above that of the god tier fighters.
Toppo - God Tier, while the full extent of his power is unknow he battled well against SSB Goku without using his full power. He's likely on the same level as Hit and Goku.
Dyspo - While not quit as powerful as Toppo, he's strong enough to hurt Hit. His speed is the real danger though as he can run circles round fghters who are stronger then himself although his fighting skill is very basic.
Kunshi - Likely the fourth strongest. Goku powered up to Blue so he could charge through his traps, so its possible that they can damage SSG. However he do not seem fast enough to counter Goku or Hits attacks directly and when he dose grab Hit its when Hit is not paying attention to him. I'd say he's not quit in the god tier.
Kahseral - The middle guy. What makes this hard it that he only fights #17, who we know is a god tier fighter. That makes things hard to judge. However I personally say Kahseral may be in the range between that of current Goku's SS and SS2 forms. Thats based soley on the fact #17 chose to use his barrior to block the justice bomber and went on guard when it looked like Kahseral may attack again. That implies to me that #17 takes Kahseral somewhat seruesly even though he can catch his blades with his bear hands. Kahseral has to be about that level in power for that to be the case.
Kettol - This is based on were I judge Cauli to be. Going by her fight/spar with Goku, SS2 Cauli can keep pace with him nicely enough though I dont think she could beat him. Since Kettol can easily handle her in base close her and Goku's SS forms at most but thats a very genurses estimastion.
Zoiray - One thats a little easier to guess at, this little guy I put at the mid to upper Buu Saga range. This is due to him being able to hurt but not visible damage Goku, who base from was powerful enough to deal with Gotenks inbetween the F and Black arcs if his battle with Copy-Vegeta is any indicastion, while Goku was unable to defend himself. He's also powerful enough to block blasts from base Goku and #18 while spinning.
Cocotte - Ok so we com to the weak ones While her abilites allow her to block attacks from SSB Kale and SS2 Cauli, this is not a good way to messure her power. Much like her evil counterpart Guildo, he abilites are sperate from her ki. In terms of real power she's shown fighting #18 but is clealry the weaker of the two although its not too one sided. So this one boils down to were you place #18. This is hard but I view her as much stronger then any of the pure humans and on a similer level to Piccolo, with Piccolo being the stronger of the two. With that in mind I place Cocotte in at early Buu saga which blends to a digree with the upper android arcs best.
Tupper - Probably on a similer level with Cocotte or likely weaker. Tupper, like her, has abilites that exceed his power level. I base this on his clashs with #18 and Goku. Since Tupper did not begin to sink into the ring after jumping off Goku, its a safe bet that his weight power are only active when his red aura is but he dose have some weigh increase when in his pertified form since it was enough to cause a damaged part of the ring to colapse. Since his power was not active when he attacked #18, when he was thrown at her by Zoiray he hit #18 with his own power and base mass of his rock form yet did not hurt he at all. So he's in the upper part of the android arc.
Vuon - as you said their is no way to judge his power.