Dragonball Z - Season 3 Set

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Post by PrincessVegeta » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:11 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
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jjgp1112 wrote:The level of compression is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!
Um *Cough* Tries to resit joining in with the 9000 jokes Well getting back on subject could anyone upload a clip from the Dragonbox set of where Goku transformes into a Super Saiyan so we can compare it with the one which was uploaded from the Funimation season 3 boxset for comparison.

I'd really like to see how close it was to the original :lol:
It's in one of the links I posted.
It's hard to make out it due to the compression making the youtube video of that scene so blocky especially when Goku transformes, it would be better if it was posted here in it's actual quality just like those Dragonbox samples in another topic were done.
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:35 pm

PrincessVegeta wrote:It's hard to make out it due to the compression making the youtube video of that scene so blocky especially when Goku transformes, it would be better if it was posted here in it's actual quality just like those Dragonbox samples in another topic were done.
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Post by Lavender Saiyan » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:23 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Those sorts of mistakes aren't (particularly) new, Lavender. On the Season Two set, you can hear a number of fighting exhertions from 1999 Vegeta mixed in with 2007 Vegeta dialogue . . . and that's during the actual episodes (73-74), not the recap.

Though admittedly, what you found is a fair bit worse.


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Post by PrincessVegeta » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:47 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
PrincessVegeta wrote:It's hard to make out it due to the compression making the youtube video of that scene so blocky especially when Goku transformes, it would be better if it was posted here in it's actual quality just like those Dragonbox samples in another topic were done.
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Thankies that would be a big help if you could :D
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Post by Lavender Saiyan » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:42 am

Hey guys, so what's the deal with Linda Young? I'm having a hard time telling if she re-recorded any lines or not. The jury still seems to be out around here with some saying she did and others saying she did not.
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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:39 am

Lavender, I thought you said that you had the set?

I don't have it yet, so I can't check anything for myself (though rest assured that when I do, I'll be scrutinizing every detail of all possible redubbing). However, xzero has at least confirmed that Freeza's 2nd Form and 3rd Form voices have been redubbed to accomodate minor dialogue changes (with the 3rd Form losing the duality or "fusion" of two voices) and also that Freeza now swears on occasion, so we can indeed confirm that Young has at least partially re-recorded her character.


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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:58 am

and also that Freeza now swears on occasion, so we can indeed confirm that Young has at least partially re-recorded her character.
Thats awesome. Iam all for adding the swearing. I mean, I don't want just random swearing for no reason but... If you think your about to get killed I don't think your going to say "Darn it!".

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:23 pm

I have a question: is it possible for Funi to fix all of the cases of the colors bleeding through in the shaking scenes?
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up!
Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Post by Vegard Aune » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:42 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I have a question: is it possible for Funi to fix all of the cases of the colors bleeding through in the shaking scenes?
Sure. They just have to manually edit every single frame to restore the lines. They could really do anything that way. Apart from that... no. They already lost those lines, and can't just magically get them back.

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Post by AdamLeliel » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:48 pm

I'm correct that this has subtitled Japanese, right? If so, I've got a few questions (seeing as most I've had about the dub have already been answered) How are the subtitles? Are there any cases of "missing music" as there has been in the dub?
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Post by Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:07 pm

AdamLeliel wrote:I'm correct that this has subtitled Japanese, right? If so, I've got a few questions (seeing as most I've had about the dub have already been answered) How are the subtitles? Are there any cases of "missing music" as there has been in the dub?
The subtitles are great, but I think in the second set, there were a few insert songs missing from the Japanese track.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:35 pm

None of the insert songs are missing. They still have the vocals playing during Vegeta's death in the English Dialogue w/ Japanese music option.

And has anyone noticed how less mangled looking these sets are on TV? They're super-sharp. I compared it to scenes in the old intro for the Funi DVD's and it looks way clearer.
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Post by Castor Troy » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:58 pm

The reason why some insert songs were missing was because they were probably part of the japanese vocal track rather than the music/sfx track. When FUNi removed the japanese vocal track to insert the dubbed voices, the insert songs were unintentionally removed.
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Post by AdamLeliel » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:58 pm

Ahh, sounds good, sounds good. I think I might actually look into these then, as they seem affordable.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:13 pm

Hmm....perhaps when Funi looked at the Frieza saga, they realized how smeared their masters look and applied a sharpening filter to them so that a lot of the detail that gets blurred/smeared out is restored. However, lines disappearing isn't because of filters blurring out lines - the colors just bleed into each other(do you honestly think that lines can just disappear and have skin and background colors magiclly appear when it's gone?)
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:27 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Thats awesome. Iam all for adding the swearing. I mean, I don't want just random swearing for no reason but... If you think your about to get killed I don't think your going to say "Darn it!".
I agree. This was a problem that ran consistently throughout the first few seasons, and it'd be nice to have it cleaned up once and for all.

When they "revised" the English audio for the Season One set, y'know what I was hoping they'd go back and change? The way Piccolo still says "Darn it!" during one or two life-and-death situations (like when his Makankosappo misses Raditz, for example). They didn't, though. I guess that's not so bad, considering that curse words are more-or-less common thing the further into these sets you go; it just would'a been nice, is all. I do believe that we've yet to hear an instance of Piccolo cursing.

Instead, they changed the way Christopher Sabat correctly pronounced Kaio-ken during the original braodcast to match the other characters' mangled wording. Yeah. Though I wonder if they called Sean Schemmel in to change his pronunciation instead, and he turned down the opportunity the way he has to all redubbing of his character, and it forced Sabat to undo his more correct version? :shock:
jjgp1112 wrote:None of the insert songs are missing. They still have the vocals playing during Vegeta's death in the English Dialogue w/ Japanese music option.
Exactly. Nothing is missing from Season Two audio-wise. Only the first set suffered (what I believe is) a single instance of missing music.
Castor Troy wrote:The reason why some insert songs were missing was because they were probably part of the japanese vocal track rather than the music/sfx track. When FUNi removed the japanese vocal track to insert the dubbed voices, the insert songs were unintentionally removed.
I think people were panicking too much too soon when we lost the choir during Piccolo's death, because they immediately turned to SSJ2 Gohan's scene several sets ahead and assumed that it will be fucked in a similar way. Granted, their concerns are valid-- NO misic should be removed or altered at any time-- but I'm going to assume that Spirit vs. Spirit is definitely separate from the vocal track and that we won't have any weird "erasure" problems concerning dub /w Japanese BGM playback. They've done similar things for DragonBall, so I don't see any reason to assume it won't happen here based on a single missing musical cue.

Nonetheless, we will all be listening.
AdamLeliel wrote:Ahh, sounds good, sounds good. I think I might actually look into these then, as they seem affordable.
Yeah . . . most everyone seems to like that part.


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Post by Brad Redfield » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:16 pm

Huh, anyone else see the commercial for this on Cartoon Network? It looks like Funimation scrunched up their cropped footage into 4:3 to make it look like its fullscreen. Quite funny if you ask me. :lol:

Did they do this for the TV ads of the previous sets?

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Post by Tsukento » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:22 pm

Saw it. I recall the last two ads being shown in cropped widescreen. So lord only knows why it was stretched into 4:3. They didn't even mention it being in widescreen.

As for the music with vocals being removed, I dunno. When the Mexican dub aired Piccolo's death, the music was still there. The choir was not. So it's odd that the whole thing would go missing from the FUNi dub.

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Post by Kendamu » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:39 pm

Yay for more lies!

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:27 pm

The problem:
Tsukento wrote:So lord only knows why it was stretched into 4:3. They didn't even mention it being in widescreen.
The reason:
Kendamu wrote:Yay for more lies!

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