Super Episode 105 (27 August 2017)

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo is not taking a mentoring role at all as he was excited to fight strong opponents in the tournament when Goku came to him while he said Gohan's training is done and they are staying together to make sure they are harder to be knocked out.

He can be excited and still take a mentor role. They're not mutually exclusively. If he wasn't taking a mentor role, he wouldn't sit back and be watching Gohan fight.

That is the problem, he shouldn't be watching and Toei should not be doing it. They should realise that fans actually want to see Piccolo fight properly and not see him watch Gohan. This has always been a Toei obsession and not Toriyama's and it needs to stop now.

Them Namekians better be nearly 100% a Piccolo fight only as if Roshi get good individual fights then so should everyone else.

[HeroR]

That is the problem, he shouldn't be watching and Toei should not be doing it. They should realise that fans actually want to see Piccolo fight properly and not see him watch Gohan. This has always been a Toei obsession and not Toriyama's and it needs to stop now.

Them Namekians better be nearly 100% a Piccolo fight only as if Roshi get good individual fights then so should everyone else.

Way too many assumptions in this post.

They will go to Freeza and he will proceed to reenact the Namek Saga.

[gohan_black]

GREAT EPISODE. THE ENDING WITH GOKU HOLDING ROSHI AND CRYING. ITS A BIG FUCK YOU TO GT AND BUU SEGA OF ZI WHERE GOKU DONT CARE ABOUT ROSHI AT ALL

[PsionicWarrior]

GREAT EPISODE. THE ENDING WITH GOKU HOLDING ROSHI AND CRYING. ITS A BIG FUCK YOU TO GT AND BUU SEGA OF ZI WHERE GOKU DONT CARE ABOUT ROSHI AT ALL

Hey mate I think your keyboard got stuck on the Caps lol

[namekiansaiyan]

That is the problem, he shouldn't be watching and Toei should not be doing it. They should realise that fans actually want to see Piccolo fight properly and not see him watch Gohan. This has always been a Toei obsession and not Toriyama's and it needs to stop now.

Them Namekians better be nearly 100% a Piccolo fight only as if Roshi get good individual fights then so should everyone else.

Way too many assumptions in this post.

They will go to Freeza and he will proceed to reenact the Namek Saga.

Just look at everything solely done by Toriyama such as Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F and compare to Toei stuff and you will see the Toei obsession.

If Gohan and Piccolo never actually fight the same opponent at the same time then this must be Toei's usual nonsense as what would be the point of them staying together throughout the whole tournament.

I have thought about Frieza doing that and it just makes my head explode everytime I do. This will almost certainly not happen as Piccolo needs to know about Universe 6 Namekians and if Piccolo does not fight them, then who is he going to fight in the tournament?

[Doctor.]

The plot point about Roshi being an old fighter who's past his prime is undermined by the fact that he's at his strongest now than he has ever been before. Goku's healing powers also came out of nowhere (unless you can somehow tie in his healing power back in the BoG arc as a SSG with this? Or maybe this is foreshadowing for something in the future).

Great episode, anyway.

[PsionicWarrior]

Goku's healing powers also came out of nowhere

Just weak Ki blasts to trigger back the heart no?

[gohan_black]

GREAT EPISODE. THE ENDING WITH GOKU HOLDING ROSHI AND CRYING. ITS A BIG FUCK YOU TO GT AND BUU SEGA OF ZI WHERE GOKU DONT CARE ABOUT ROSHI AT ALL

Hey mate I think your keyboard got stuck on the Caps lol

IRONICLLY IT REALLY DID. I HAVE A LAPTOP WITH WINDOES 8. DOING THIS PROBLEM ALL THE TIME. ITS EITHER THIS OR NOTHING

[Doctor.]

Goku's healing powers also came out of nowhere

Just weak Ki blasts to trigger back the heart no?

The blast that "revived" Roshi was visibly different than all the rest.

[HeroR]

Just look at everything solely done by Toriyama such as Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F and compare to Toei stuff and you will see the Toei obsession.

If Gohan and Piccolo never actually fight the same opponent at the same time then this must be Toei's usual nonsense as what would be the point of them staying together throughout the whole tournament.

I have thought about Frieza doing that and it just makes my head explode everytime I do. This will almost certainly not happen as Piccolo needs to know about Universe 6 Namekians and if Piccolo does not fight them, then who is he going to fight in the tournament?

Even in the movie, Piccolo and Gohan were together. Gohan helped Piccolo and it was Piccolo who restarted his heart. Also from the movie, Piccolo takes care of baby Pan for Gohan. So, this isn't a 'Toei obsession' so much as expanding on what is already there.

When in doubt, blame Toei.

Just like they would never make Buu fall asleep ad miss another tournament or how about the epic troll in the Champa Saga.

The plot point about Roshi being an old fighter who's past his prime is undermined by the fact that he's at his strongest now than he has ever been before. Goku's healing powers also came out of nowhere (unless you can somehow tie in his healing power back in the BoG arc as a SSG with this? Or maybe this is foreshadowing for something in the future).

Great episode, anyway.

It wasn't. That was what everyone was telling him, but Roshi disagreed. As he put it, seeing how far Goku and Krillin went inspired him to see that he could still reach new limits. And Goku just did what Piccolo did in Resurrection 'F'. It wasn't healing.

[WittyUsername]

Okay, I know the argument is that the characters are moving at super fast speeds but even with that in mind, there's no way the events of this entire episode could've happened in the span of a minute. It's really starting to dawn on me that this tournament is going to last a ridiculously long time out of universe. I don't know how to feel about that.

Still, I suppose this was a solid episode.

[PsionicWarrior]

The blast that "revived" Roshi was visibly different than all the rest.

Oh yeah you're right, by looking back to it also it almost seems it was out of his will/control.

[Doctor.]

It wasn't. That was what everyone was telling him, but Roshi disagreed. As he put it, seeing how far Goku and Krillin went inspired him to see that he could still reach new limits. And Goku just did what Piccolo did in Resurrection 'F'. It wasn't healing.

Oh yeah, I realize it now.

It isn't the same, the blast that revived Roshi was different in color and shape.

[namekiansaiyan]

Just look at everything solely done by Toriyama such as Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F and compare to Toei stuff and you will see the Toei obsession.

If Gohan and Piccolo never actually fight the same opponent at the same time then this must be Toei's usual nonsense as what would be the point of them staying together throughout the whole tournament.

I have thought about Frieza doing that and it just makes my head explode everytime I do. This will almost certainly not happen as Piccolo needs to know about Universe 6 Namekians and if Piccolo does not fight them, then who is he going to fight in the tournament?

Even in the movie, Piccolo and Gohan were together. Gohan helped Piccolo and it was Piccolo who restarted his heart. Also from the movie, Piccolo takes care of baby Pan for Gohan. So, this isn't a 'Toei obsession' so much as expanding on what is already there.

When in doubt, blame Toei.

Just like they would never make Buu fall asleep ad miss another tournament or how about the epic troll in the Champa Saga.

Piccolo and Gohan wben together is not forced and a vood example of this obsession would be Piccolo continuously protecting Gohan or the pointless training in the Champa arc.

If they did that to the Namekians then why wait to reveal them and why not just knock them out early instead of torturing Piccolo fans.

The Namekians come as a pair which Toriyama likes
They look like Piccolo and Slug
They are from Universe 6
They have been hidden for a long time and have not been giving a full body reveal yet.
What a waste they would be if they are useless and probide no informatiom and who else would Piccolo face.

[HeroR]

It wasn't. That was what everyone was telling him, but Roshi disagreed. As he put it, seeing how far Goku and Krillin went inspired him to see that he could still reach new limits. And Goku just did what Piccolo did in Resurrection 'F'. It wasn't healing.

Oh yeah, I realize it now.

It isn't the same, the blast that revived Roshi was different in color and shape.

I personally think it was dramatic effect, not a heal beam.

As for Roshi, I personally loved that line since it goes with what Toriyama said about Roshi could always be that powerful if he pushed himself. While Roshi passed the torch in Dragon Ball, he was also frustrated about how useless he became, especially in the Cell Saga where he wished he could fight on the front lines again. Seeing powerful enemies after another and seeing his students reach limits that he couldn't have dream of in Dragon Ball seemed to have moved his heart as a martial artist and show him that he could become more than what he was since he thought he reached his limit. Which is ironic since Roshi gave Goku and Krillin speeches about surpassing the limit of humans.

Piccolo and Gohan wben together is not forced and a vood example of this obsession would be Piccolo continuously protecting Gohan or the pointless training in the Champa arc.

If they did that to the Namekians then why wait to reveal them and why not just knock them out early instead of torturing Piccolo fans.

The Namekians come as a pair which Toriyama likes
They look like Piccolo and Slug
They are from Universe 6
They have been hidden for a long time and have not been giving a full body reveal yet.
What a waste they would be if they are useless and probide no informatiom and who else would Piccolo face.

I don't think you're in a place to know what Toriyama is or isn't thinking and the training in the Champa Saga wasn't pointless.

So we can enjoy seeing new Namekians and then having them crushed like grapes by Freeza. I mean, these Namekians are so anti-hype that some fans still don't know they exist.

How many interesting characters we have seen in this arc get thrown to the side?

[SHINOBI-03]

Don't care what you say, this episode is one of the best of the arc. Muten Roshi kicking all kinds of ass and while I don't to get to this kind of argument, shows that battle powers aren't everything in battle. It's not how strong is your attack but how well you use your skills and fighting experience to overcome your opponent.

[Ki Breaker]

shows that battle powers aren't everything in battle. It's not how strong is your attack but how well you use your skills and fighting experience to overcome your opponent.

Which only works when the difference isn't too big..
He was kicking ass until Ganos powered up a little more, then he was the one being kicked..

[Kingdom Heartless]

I justify Roshi doing well in the tournament to thinking of it like this:

If the Justice League were to take 10 warriors into a tournament, they would likely still keep Batman on their team. And if they did, you know he would pull his weight, despite being infinitely weaker than the top tier characters.

Roshi fought smart against opponents stronger than he was, and didn't make it particularly about physical strength until he put everything he had into his final blast.... which may not have even hurt Ganos, but instead simply pushed him like Tenshinhan did to Cell.

I also loved the opening scene with Roshi just wandering around, dodging attacks, clearly looking for opponents he was suited for, rather than taking on heavy hitters. I do hope that's the last we see of him in action in the tournament though, but I don't mind him playing a coaching role.

Also awesome is that we were given a reason for Roshi starting his training again.... the idea of his students inspiring him to not accept his perceived limits was touching.

[namekiansaiyan]

So we can enjoy seeing new Namekians and then having them crushed like grapes by Freeza. I mean, these Namekians are so anti-hype that some fans still don't know they exist.

How many interesting characters we have seen in this arc get thrown to the side?

The whole point was if you blink at the wrong moment then you miss them.

Knowing about Universe 6 Namekians does not need any hype epescially when they look like Piccolo and Lord slug.

For those interesting characters that have done much the difference is they have no connection to Universe 7.

What has to be done to make a character hyped up to you? Also what characters have been hyped up to you?

[omaro34]

It feels like Freeza simply vanished from thin air. We haven't seen him in weeks. They're obviously saving him for later.