(NEW FORM) Ultimate Goku?

[gohan_black]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... mysteries/

Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.

NOTHING ABOUT STAMINA

AND THAT WAS SAID IN 2004. GOKU BECAME SSJ2 MANY TIMES IN SUPER. AGAINST ZAMASU. AGAINST BLACK. AGAINST CAULIFIA. AGAINST TRUNKS. THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM.

He said this after Battle of Gods so it wasn't 2004. Also, he does mean stamina since what do you think 'sap less strength' means?

And "THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM" is you making stuff up since that isn't said anywhere unless you have a link. In comparison, Goku used Super Saiyan all through the Champa Saga and all his sparring matches outside of Gohan. He also only used Super Saiyan 2 against Cali to show her the form. Before then, he was only Super Saiyan.

AND HE SAID TO HER THAT ''THIS IS THE FORM YOU SHOULD AIM FOR'' KINDA STRANGE TO SAY THAT IF IT DRAINS MORE STAMINA

[HeroR]

NOTHING ABOUT STAMINA

AND THAT WAS SAID IN 2004. GOKU BECAME SSJ2 MANY TIMES IN SUPER. AGAINST ZAMASU. AGAINST BLACK. AGAINST CAULIFIA. AGAINST TRUNKS. THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM.

He said this after Battle of Gods so it wasn't 2004. Also, he does mean stamina since what do you think 'sap less strength' means?

And "THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM" is you making stuff up since that isn't said anywhere unless you have a link. In comparison, Goku used Super Saiyan all through the Champa Saga and all his sparring matches outside of Gohan. He also only used Super Saiyan 2 against Cali to show her the form. Before then, he was only Super Saiyan.

AND HE SAID TO HER THAT ''THIS IS THE FORM YOU SHOULD AIM FOR'' KINDA STRANGE TO SAY THAT IF IT DRAINS MORE STAMINA

He also told her to go for Super Saiyan 3 that drained him so badly the he collapsed against Kid Buu and even told Beerus that he couldn't hold the form for long.

[gohan_black]

He said this after Battle of Gods so it wasn't 2004. Also, he does mean stamina since what do you think 'sap less strength' means?

And "THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM" is you making stuff up since that isn't said anywhere unless you have a link. In comparison, Goku used Super Saiyan all through the Champa Saga and all his sparring matches outside of Gohan. He also only used Super Saiyan 2 against Cali to show her the form. Before then, he was only Super Saiyan.

AND HE SAID TO HER THAT ''THIS IS THE FORM YOU SHOULD AIM FOR'' KINDA STRANGE TO SAY THAT IF IT DRAINS MORE STAMINA

He also told her to go for Super Saiyan 3 that drained him so badly the he collapsed against Kid Buu and even told Beerus that he couldn't hold the form for long.

HE SAID. ''YOU CAN ACHIENVE SSJ3'' HE DIDENT SAID IT WAS GOOD FOR HER. ON SSJ3 I AGREE ITS A SHIT FORM.. BUT NOT SSJ2. SSJ2 IS BASICLLY A MASTERED SSJ.

[HeroR]

AND HE SAID TO HER THAT ''THIS IS THE FORM YOU SHOULD AIM FOR'' KINDA STRANGE TO SAY THAT IF IT DRAINS MORE STAMINA

He also told her to go for Super Saiyan 3 that drained him so badly the he collapsed against Kid Buu and even told Beerus that he couldn't hold the form for long.

HE SAID. ''YOU CAN ACHIENVE SSJ3'' HE DIDENT SAID IT WAS GOOD FOR HER. ON SSJ3 I AGREE ITS A SHIT FORM.. BUT NOT SSJ2. SSJ2 IS BASICLLY A MASTERED SSJ.

There is already a Mastered Super Saiyan and it isn't Super Saiyan 2. He also told her that should go for Super Saiyan 2 in comparison to Ultra Super Saiyan. If he thought Super Saiyan 3 was utterly worthless, he would have told her to skip it like Ultra Super Saiyan.

[Basako]

The logic says there is a progression of speed, power and stamina draining, SS < SS2 < SS3. Why would they even keep using the SS, which they do, if the SS2 drains less and it's more powerfull?

[gohan_black]

The logic says there is a progression of speed, power and stamina draining, SS < SS2 < SS3. Why would they even keep using the SS, which they do, if the SS2 drains less and it's more powerfull?

GOKU MOSTLY USE SSJ2

[LowRyder2005]

NOTHING ABOUT STAMINA

AND THAT WAS SAID IN 2004. GOKU BECAME SSJ2 MANY TIMES IN SUPER. AGAINST ZAMASU. AGAINST BLACK. AGAINST CAULIFIA. AGAINST TRUNKS. THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM.

He said this after Battle of Gods so it wasn't 2004. Also, he does mean stamina since what do you think 'sap less strength' means?

And "THATS HIS FAVORITE NON GOD FORM" is you making stuff up since that isn't said anywhere unless you have a link. In comparison, Goku used Super Saiyan all through the Champa Saga and all his sparring matches outside of Gohan. He also only used Super Saiyan 2 against Cali to show her the form. Before then, he was only Super Saiyan.

AND HE SAID TO HER THAT ''THIS IS THE FORM YOU SHOULD AIM FOR'' KINDA STRANGE TO SAY THAT IF IT DRAINS MORE STAMINA

Content-wise I've seen my fair share of random, fictitious claims, or this or that poster's reasoning not making any kind of apparent sense; I've also seen conjugations, hybrid punctuation, random capitals and similar formatting that did not make any apparent sense all the same.

And yet holy effin' macaroni, my boy, if you aren't the best of both worlds!

[Basako]

The logic says there is a progression of speed, power and stamina draining, SS < SS2 < SS3. Why would they even keep using the SS, which they do, if the SS2 drains less and it's more powerfull?

GOKU MOSTLY USE SSJ2

No he doesn't. He used SS in the Champa arc and in this arc too, except one time against Caulifla. And in this arc stamina saving is a factor.

[Big Black Sayian]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

Well, if you subscribe to my own theory on what this new form is, it both is and isn't a SS form.

[Ki Breaker]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

No..
This new form will be Saiyan God..
Hopefully..

[Big Black Sayian]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

No..
This new form will be Saiyan God..
Hopefully..

Could be the complete version or perhaps Goku is tapping into a power when SSG/SSB runs out?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

What else could it be, all forms in the series are shown to be exclusive to respective species, I am not sure how Goku obtaining a form that isn't Saiyan related even possible.

[Ki Breaker]

Think this new form will have SS whatever front of it? Could this form be something that doesn't involve Goku being a Saiyan at all?

No..
This new form will be Saiyan God..
Hopefully..

Could be the complete version or perhaps Goku is tapping into a power when SSG/SSB runs out?

If SSG and Blue run out, that means his ki ran out as well..
There isn't anything left to tap into when that happens..
It's definitely god ki related and hence me naming it Saiyan God..

[Lord Beerus]

PV of the Dragon Ball TV special shows off Goku's new form (briefly)

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

There seems to be a bit of purple in that aura along with the blue.

It looks different, that's for sure. Almost like............. a God of Destruction. Hmmmmmm..........................

[GodKaio-Ken]

SSJ3 isnt a crap transformation. Just because it can't be held long term doesnt doesn't mean it has no use.

Youre You're telling me if an opponent is between SSJ2 and SSJ3 power wise its not useful? What about if your opponent kicks the ass of SSJ2?

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

PV of the Dragon Ball TV special shows off Goku's new form (briefly)

Now it looks like a result of Goku absorbing SSB KK inside his normal state.

[Arugela]

There is one thing about the new form everyone is noting... Besides the aura color and hair... It's his eyes. I was looking at some video about goku black and noticed something. His eyes are the same color and erily similar to zamasus in his original form as a god... Maybe this is zamasu taking over goku again somehow. In the universe I think he was imprisoned after being stopped in this or one of the timelines. Maybe he's has a version still alive somewhere or has really been possessing people. Maybe the smoke aura around the normal goku is zamasu slinking around. Note the difference in many cases with zamasues eyes. They are bigger than other characters(Gokus eyes are also bigger than normal in the transformation.). Although in other cases they are much smaller also.





Here also is goku black... what if goku black in his fight with goku actually traded places. That could be how he healed. Maybe this was never goku.




Note the grey eyes when achieving rose form.

And this is from a video in google image saying it's about episode 56?! does he have grey eyes here or it modified or an illusion of color?



Normally they are blue in goku SSGBlue.. Edit: I think it may just be an illusion from the colors in the scene. Unless it is intentional the illusion makes it look grey.

[Chuquita]

I'm up for a Zamasu surprise twist, but I don't know what the odds are.