Master Roshi's Death Masterstroke?

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Master Roshi's Death Masterstroke?

Post by Kastex » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:51 pm

could master roshi's death in episode 105 be considered a master stroke of this arc?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7V8c_JJQOM

ever since the start of the episode i found myself excited to see master roshi getting some action, and i was routing for him in his battles. i had forgotten just how skilled of a fighter master roshi was, and watching him battle was great. it was also necessary to have some other characters react to master roshi's battles. this was important because it was building up to the potential master stroke. it wasn't very serious at first, but it kept on building.

when master roshi died, krillin and goku were hit very hard by it. this reminded us how much love goku and krillin have for master roshi. this reminded us of the good old days, and showed us that goku still cares deeply even after all of this time has passed. this scene was a perfect contrast towards the rest of the tournament. for a second there, some of us weren't even thinking about the tournament.

i'm sure most of us figured that master roshi wouldn't actually die, but that's not the point. the point in this scene is seeing master roshi fall after his great battles, and seeing krillin and goku become concerned out of genuine love for their master roshi. he even gained the respect of beerus. as goku and master roshi walk away with the sight of battles going on in the background, we are shown that goku isn't just an average saiyan who only craves battle and sees his friends and family as nothing more than battle comrades. we see that goku still cares deeply and is capable of experiencing and expressing love for his friends properly.

what did you guys think of this scene and would you consider it a master stroke of the ToP arc?
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Re: Episode 105 Masterstroke?

Post by Li'l Lemmy » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:26 pm

I think it would have been a sort of masterstroke if he'd actually stayed dead. It would have meant something.

I'm not one of those people constantly calling for "tension" and "stakes" in my DragonBall, but even by my standards this was cheap. Great buildup and development, but at no personal cost to Kame-Sennin or the team. It's just free magic.
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Re: Episode 105 Masterstroke?

Post by Vegeta-Sama » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:32 pm

I was legit in tears at the last minutes of the Episode. If Goku wouldnt blast Energy into Roshis body its over. Goku and Krillin screaming in tears made it even much more powerful.

People complain Super lacks in iconic moments. This moment imo even surpasses U9s erasure especially the most DB Fans love
Roshi.

Then we witnessed a quote for an eternity:
"My fellow students, play well, eat well, live well and rest well. The Kamek style is with you. This is the most powerful Kamehameha"

The Soundtrack was perfect and Beerus asking after Roshis name was the ultimate respect and the perfect ending for an outstanding Episode.

The whole build up and storytelling was one of the best in the whole series. It was the ultimate tribute for the great legend of Muten Roshi.

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Re: Episode 105 Masterstroke?

Post by Xeogran » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:31 pm

@Vegeta-Sama I love how you summarized the moment and I fully agree with it, however after the last sentence
Vegeta-Sama wrote:The whole build up and
storytelling was one of the best in the whole series. It was the ultimate tribute for the great legend of Muten Roshi.
I couldn't help but read that in Tenshinhan's voice :lol:

Then I came back to your post and felt like Ten was the one who wrote it :D

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Re: Episode 105 Masterstroke?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:23 am

What I really loved the most is how Roshi was respected in-universe. When he seemed to collapse and die, Krillin was in tears and was going to rush back to the arena to help him, even when that wasn't allowed to. And Goku became incredibly distressed, turned SSJB to instantly break free from Maji Kayo and rushed over to revive him and then helped him back onto his feet. The whole sequence was just beautiful and wonderfully played into Roshi previous monologue of what he taught Goku and Krillin under his tutelage. The cherry, or cherry's, on the top was that even Beerus wanted to know his name and while everyone from Universe 7 was concerned was thrilled that Roshi wasn't dead, Roshi reminds Goku that the battle isn’t over yet, even when Goku has to help him back on his feet.

The whole episode felt like it was leaning so heavily on the fourth wall with Ganos reiterating and rephrasing some the complaints that some of the fandom had about Roshi's inclusion into the team. "He's old", "He needs to retire", "He needs to accept his limits and give up" etc. And the episode masterfully addressed this, to not only bring coherency to the plot, but to also seamlessly tie into and further develop the subtle and more outward meanings of his training and his teachings to Goku and Krillin when they were his students as children.

The episode justified Roshi's reintroduction into the main plot, and in such a high stakes arc like this specifically, in such a good way. And made everything about Roshi's relationship with Goku and Krillin come full circle, with how Roshi inspired Goku and Krillin to become better than what he wanted them to be and Goku and Krillin did the same for him as the years went by and they've all become much better people in terms of personality and power because of that wonderful and inspirational cycle.

They handled Roshi's character so well in that episode that it kinda took me by surprise how much I enjoyed it and was invested into what was going on. It was one the best character driven episodes in the franchise.

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Re: Master Roshi's Death Masterstroke?

Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:46 pm

Agreed with Lord Beerus. I also thought the episode did wonders for Master Roshi's character. Now Tenshinhan is next.

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Re: Episode 105 Masterstroke?

Post by Nickolaidas » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:51 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:What I really loved the most is how Roshi was respected in-universe. When he seemed to collapse and die, Krillin was in tears and was going to rush back to the arena to help him, even when that wasn't allowed to. And Goku became incredibly distressed, turned SSJB to instantly break free from Maji Kayo and rushed over to revive him and then helped him back onto his feet. The whole sequence was just beautiful and wonderfully played into Roshi previous monologue of what he taught Goku and Krillin under his tutelage. The cherry, or cherry's, on the top was that even Beerus wanted to know his name and while everyone from Universe 7 was concerned was thrilled that Roshi wasn't dead, Roshi reminds Goku that the battle isn’t over yet, even when Goku has to help him back on his feet.

The whole episode felt like it was leaning so heavily on the fourth wall with Ganos reiterating and rephrasing some the complaints that some of the fandom had about Roshi's inclusion into the team. "He's old", "He needs to retire", "He needs to accept his limits and give up" etc. And the episode masterfully addressed this, to not only bring coherency to the plot, but to also seamlessly tie into and further develop the subtle and more outward meanings of his training and his teachings to Goku and Krillin when they were his students as children.

The episode justified Roshi's reintroduction into the main plot, and in such a high stakes arc like this specifically, in such a good way. And made everything about Roshi's relationship with Goku and Krillin come full circle, with how Roshi inspired Goku and Krillin to become better than what he wanted them to be and Goku and Krillin did the same for him as the years went by and they've all become much better people in terms of personality and power because of that wonderful and inspirational cycle.

They handled Roshi's character so well in that episode that it kinda took me by surprise how much I enjoyed it and was invested into what was going on. It was one the best character driven episodes in the franchise.
The God of Destruction spoke for me as well. Agreed 100%. I can't believe that I was so engrossed in the scene I forgot that death has no meaning in Dragonball.

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