"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

@HeroR

Are you that ignorant or dont you get the difference between the climax and an ending.
The Buu Arc had several climax (Vegetas Sacrifice, Gotenks and later Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu, Vegito vs Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu)

And yes Goku Fanboys usually get very defensive when someone criticise their hero.

Read my post to namekiansaiyan. Finale would be the ending of the tournament. Climax is the main moment. In the Champa Saga, Hit vs. Goku was the climax, despite Monaka vs. Hit being the final of the tournament. In the Future Trunks Saga, the climax started the moment Merged Zamasu was created, the climax was Future Trunks slicing Merged Zamasu in half, with the finale of that fight being Zen'o erasing Merged Zamasu.

The one being ignorant of what a climax is you since there is only one climax in the story, not several. None of what you mentioned is the climax of the Buu Saga since it happened at the beginning and middle of the story. The starting climax of the Buu Saga would be the Kid Buu fight with the actual climax being Goku throwing the Spirit Bomb.

In fact, the exact definition is:

Climax is the term used to refer to the part of story or play where the tension or action reaches its highest part. Sometimes, the climax is a "crisis" point in the plot.

[Vegeta-Sama]

@HeroR

Are you that ignorant or dont you get the difference between the climax and an ending.
The Buu Arc had several climax (Vegetas Sacrifice, Gotenks and later Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu, Vegito vs Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu)

And yes Goku Fanboys usually get very defensive when someone criticise their hero.

The one being ignorant of what a climax is you since there is only one climax in the story, not several. None of what you mentioned is the climax of the Buu Saga since it happened at the beginning and middle of the story. The starting climax of the Buu Saga would be the Kid Buu fight with the actual climax being Goku throwing the Spirit Bomb.

Ok Goku Wanker, no point arguing with you. Let the ignorance bless you.

[SansrivaaL]

The main goal is to stay ringed in not ring people out, it is not his fault people except Goku are too pussy to challenge him. Staying ringed in and not doing much for as long as possible is a pretty good strategy, one Gohan came up with until Kale ruined it.

Same can be said that if they're too scared to challenge him then why doesnt he go to them instead? will taking out fodders that much of a hassle for him? since he probably is above SSJBKK anyways and up until now the ones thrown off werent exactly... that powerful to begin with. I also find it stupid that they didnt gang up on him from the start, why would they risk lessening up fighters instead of a lot of them removing the biggest threat? which is what I feel that will happen soon, U6 and U7 all ganging up on him.

[HeroR]

Ok Goku Wanker, no point arguing with you. Let the ignorance bless you.

Oh how mature. I wanked Goku because I gave the proper definition and used of a climax. And here I was given you the benefit of the doubt that I was talking to an adult.

Fair warning, you won't last long on this site with that attitude, so I highly suggest you grow up and fast.

[Vegeta-Sama]

Ok Goku Wanker, no point arguing with you. Let the ignorance bless you.

Oh how mature. I wanked Goku because I gave the proper definition and used of a climax. And here I was given you the benefit of the doubt that I was talking to an adult.

Fair warning, you won't last long on this site with that attitude, so I highly suggest you grow up and fast.

I am probaly older than you and do you really think I give a flying fuck what some Keyboard Warrior with over 4000 Posts thinks about me?
Get a Grip.

[Big Black Sayian]

Says there will be surprises.

My prediction for the surprises.

Vegeta vs Hit
Caulifla and Kale vs Brianne
Freeza vs Toppo
Piccolo and Gohan vs Namekians

Those are the only fights I could think that are special/PPV material.

That's some WWE Survivor Series material

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The main goal is to stay ringed in not ring people out, it is not his fault people except Goku are too pussy to challenge him. Staying ringed in and not doing much for as long as possible is a pretty good strategy, one Gohan came up with until Kale ruined it.

Same can be said that if they're too scared to challenge him then why doesnt he go to them instead? will taking out fodders that much of a hassle for him? since he probably is above SSJBKK anyways and up until now the ones thrown off werent exactly... that powerful to begin with. I also find it stupid that they didnt gang up on him from the start, why would they risk lessening up fighters instead of a lot of them removing the biggest threat? which is what I feel that will happen soon, U6 and U7 all ganging up on him.

The whole point is to stay in and conserve, going after others defeats that purpose, he obviously he is not a Saiyan obsessed idiot like Goku.

[HeroR]

I am probaly older than you and do you really think I give a flying fuck what some Keyboard Warrior with over 4000 Posts thinks about me?
Get a Grip.

There is more to being an adult then age and your response to me isn't an adult behavior. If you are older than me, then you should know better.

And apparently you must care since you felt compelled to response to my post after you said, "Ok Goku Wanker, no point arguing with you. Let the ignorance bless you", meaning you were done talking to me.

[namekiansaiyan]

Which includes the producer apparently since he called Goku vs. Jiren the climax.

And really, your board 'if you think this way, you're a Goku fan' is annoying and dismissive.

The producer says it is the start of the big battles leading to the climax not the actual climax.

Per the producer, the DBS special will mark the start of the tournament's climax, as Goku starts to fight Jiren.

Goku vs. Jiren is the start of the climax, not leading into it. Just as Goku vs. Hit was the climax of the Champa Saga or Merged Zamasu merging with the climax of the Future Trunks Saga. Battling towards the climax is short-term for the final. Using Future Trunks Saga again, the start of the climax was Merged Zamasu creation, the actual climax was Future Trunks destroying Merged Zamasu's body, the finale was Zen'o wasting him.

Read the full comment translated by Herms it says this is the start of a change in the tournament leading into the actual climax.

[SansrivaaL]

The whole point is to stay in and conserve, going after others defeats that purpose, he obviously he is not a Saiyan obsessed idiot like Goku.

The others are like ants to him if he is as powerful as the hype wants us to take, will getting rid of ants tire you out? whats more is that it would have helped his character and him being a threat if he actually did something other than standing up, just look, literally no one gives a crap about him.

[HeroR]

Read the full comment translated by Herms it says this is the start of a change in the tournament leading into the actual climax.

I did. Goku vs. Jiren is the start of the climax of the this arc. What the actual climax is remains to be seen. In other words, Goku vs. Jiren is about what Merged Zamasu being born was to the Future Trunks Saga.

Or using a Z example, Goku vs. Jiren is like Super Saiyan Goku vs. 100% Freeza or Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs. Cell. These are the start of the climax of their respective story arcs and a lot of stuff still happened before Namek exploded and Cell being killed. So stuff will still happened between the Goku vs. Jiren fight, but their fight is the main attraction of the arc, especially since this fight is literally shown every time you watch the into.

[Ki Breaker]

The others are like ants to him if he is as powerful as the hype wants us to take, will getting rid of ants tire you out?

Well yeah, kinda..
Try killing them one at a time sometime, shit's not only tiring but time-consuming and they can bite your butt when you aren't looking.. Little bustards...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The whole point is to stay in and conserve, going after others defeats that purpose, he obviously he is not a Saiyan obsessed idiot like Goku.

The others are like ants to him if he is as powerful as the hype wants us to take, will getting rid of ants tire you out?

Put it it this way, If you're working a job and have extra work that you can do but won't get paid for it and it will consume your time, would you do it? Don't think so.

[RedHeat]

And they say Kanzenshuu doesn't have it's funny moments.

[SansrivaaL]

The whole point is to stay in and conserve, going after others defeats that purpose, he obviously he is not a Saiyan obsessed idiot like Goku.

The others are like ants to him if he is as powerful as the hype wants us to take, will getting rid of ants tire you out?

Put it it this way, If you're working a job and have extra work that you can do but won't get paid for it and it will consume your time, would you do it? Don't think so.

So you're telling me that will I work for something that I wont get paid for? the heck does that have to do with Jiren throwing out ants? obviously theres a merit in his favor when he gets rid of those characters, a higher chance of them winning, while your example doesnt have any merit in it. What the hell man am I not getting something here?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The others are like ants to him if he is as powerful as the hype wants us to take, will getting rid of ants tire you out?

Put it it this way, If you're working a job and have extra work that you can do but won't get paid for it and it will consume your time, would you do it? Don't think so.

So you're telling me that will I work for something that I wont get paid for? the heck does that have to do with Jiren throwing out ants? obviously theres a merit in his favor when he gets rid of those characters, a higher chance of them winning, while your example doesnt have any merit in it. What the hell man am I not getting something here?

Work=Staying in the ring
More work=knocking people out
Not getting paid and time consuming= wasting stamina needlessly.

The goal is to be the last man, not ring people out, regardless of if they are ants, if no-one is challenging then it is just unnecessary to go looking.

[SansrivaaL]

Put it it this way, If you're working a job and have extra work that you can do but won't get paid for it and it will consume your time, would you do it? Don't think so.

So you're telling me that will I work for something that I wont get paid for? the heck does that have to do with Jiren throwing out ants? obviously theres a merit in his favor when he gets rid of those characters, a higher chance of them winning, while your example doesnt have any merit in it. What the hell man am I not getting something here?

Work=Staying in the ring
More work=knocking people out
Not getting paid and time consuming= wasting stamina needlessly.

The goal is to be the last man, not ring people out, regardless of if they are ants, if no-one is challenging then it is just unnecessary to go looking.

I see, remove the not getting paid in there and I assure you even you would go to work.
Not getting paid and time consuming= wasting stamina needlessly.
Getting paid but time consuming= stamina loss, higher chance to win

While the goal can also be the last man, theres another goal like remove everyone already, they are literally all like ants to him.

[HeroR]

I see, remove the not getting paid in there and I assure you even you would go to work.
Not getting paid and time consuming= wasting stamina needlessly.
Getting paid but time consuming= stamina loss, higher chance to win

While the goal can also be the last man, theres another goal like remove everyone already, they are literally all like ants to him.

To add my two cents, I think Jiren's overall play was to lay low and let the fodder fight, wear themselves down, maybe get lucky and take out people with broken abilities like what Roshi is doing, and when time is almost up clean house. His fellow Pride Troopers were also on fodder duty outside of Jiren and Dypso who was more active and seemed to be targeting powerhouses like Hit.

However, since they're down to three, this could cause a change in plans which could lead to him wiping most of the tournament himself with Toppo. Now this may not happened and maybe he will just go after Goku, which wouldn't be good Imo since Jiren had no real build-up outside of the outside marketing. In-universe, his only real feat is one-shotting Kale who wasn't even in her right mind and wasn't even directly attack him so you can make the entire 'off-guard, argument'. If Jiren does go after Goku right away, he will probably be the weakest main rival, threat, wall, ect in the series when you compared to other characters. Even Hit, who had a short time between his introduction and his fight with Goku, had Frost and then Vegeta to showcase his strength.

With all that said, I personally have more gripe with Toppo who sent his men to their doom twice when he could have handled the situation himself. He should have jumped in to help Dypso and the other Pride Trooper the moment Goku tagged in and he should have taken out Goku with Jiren in Episode 101 instead of sending five Pride Troopers who could have been wiped by Goku if he went to his full power. I mean, two of them didn't even do any major damage to base form Goku.

[namekiansaiyan]

Read the full comment translated by Herms it says this is the start of a change in the tournament leading into the actual climax.

I did. Goku vs. Jiren is the start of the climax of the this arc. What the actual climax is remains to be seen. In other words, Goku vs. Jiren is about what Merged Zamasu being born was to the Future Trunks Saga.

Or using a Z example, Goku vs. Jiren is like Super Saiyan Goku vs. 100% Freeza or Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs. Cell. These are the start of the climax of their respective story arcs and a lot of stuff still happened before Namek exploded and Cell being killed. So stuff will still happened between the Goku vs. Jiren fight, but their fight is the main attraction of the arc, especially since this fight is literally shown every time you watch the into.

I just don't interpret it this way and I dont see the logic either due there being 40 fighters currently left. Your examples only include 2 fighters and that is the difference and it will just look stupid if 30 fighters dropped out in the next few episodes.

[CJStriker_CBR]

That's some WWE Survivor Series material

This WHOLE event is like Giant WWE PPV!

Just Combine Survivor Series, with a Battle Royal/Royal Rumble Rules and You Got the ToP!