Dragonball Z - Season 3 Set

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:44 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:(do you honestly think that lines can just disappear and have skin and background colors magiclly appear when it's gone?)

Actually, I do. Depending on the algorithm for the DVNR, it may sample colors from surrounding pixels to "repair" what it deems to be damage and/or grain. Sadly, when you're running DVNR at such a high setting (especially unattended, and ESPECIALLY when it's TWO instances of DVNR), the ability to discern damage from animation gets lost.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:08 pm

I just don't think the DVNR caused the colors to bleed threough though. It was probably from the "further round of processing" (aka filtering) that the film recieved.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:10 am

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Lavender, I thought you said that you had the set?

I do, but I honestly can't tell. I did notice the Form 3 thing. But isn't is possible that they simply used old recordings? If they did a voice fusion that means she had to record Form 3 Freeza's lines twice, once in each voice. Thus FUNi could have simply used old recordings of her using one voice.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:22 am

Lavender Saiyan wrote:If they did a voice fusion that means she had to record Form 3 Freeza's lines twice, once in each voice.

I don't know if it went as far as all that, Lavender. In the original dub, the voice was comprised of the 1st and 2nd Form voices-- 1st Form, which is Linda Young's "natural" Freeza speaking voice, and 2nd Form, which is probably just the naturally-spoken 1st Form voice after its audio has been majorly tweaked in bass and pitch. I wouldn't assume that Young recorded for Freeza's 3rd Form twice, because I doubt she's capable of vocalizing the 2nd Form voice as we hear it to begin with.

Lavender Saiyan then wrote:Thus FUNi could have simply used old recordings of her using one voice.

Whether Young recorded the 2nd Form voice herself or not, it's still entirely possible that the 1st Form voice was stripped to leave only the 2nd Form's in Freeza's 3rd Form dialogue-- it depends on whether or not that dialogue has been changed any, which unfortunately I would not be able to tell you until Wednesday (when I'll conceivably have the set).

*gets confused by all the talk of 1st Form this and 2nd Form that*

~Da Lemmy

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:58 am

So, there is one thing about this set I'm wondering, that nobody's mentioned before: I noticed that in the Season 2-set, the audio was slightly off-sync during the opening, which annoyed me quite a bit. Has that been fixed for this set? I just think it's strange that it was perfectly on-sync (I think) in Season 1, yet it's off-sync in Season 2.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:44 am

Vegard Aune wrote:I noticed that in the Season 2-set, the audio was slightly off-sync during the opening, which annoyed me quite a bit. Has that been fixed for this set? I just think it's strange that it was perfectly on-sync (I think) in Season 1, yet it's off-sync in Season 2.

It was off-sync in season 1 as well. There were some episodes where it was on-sync, but there were many where the audio was about half a second off-sync with the video.

No idea about season 3, though. Good question.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:48 am

I always skip the openers, so i can't answer your question.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:45 am

MagicBox wrote:It was off-sync in season 1 as well. There were some episodes where it was on-sync, but there were many where the audio was about half a second off-sync with the video.

Well, it's far more noticable in Season 2, because it's even more off there than it was in Season 1. And this goes for all the episodes I've seen so far.
Oh, and

jjgp1112 wrote:I always skip the openers, so i can't answer your question.

Couldn't you just check? I mean, it wouldn't exactly take long to compare the sound in the openings of two different episodes...

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:45 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:I think people were panicking too much too soon when we lost the choir during Piccolo's death, because they immediately turned to SSJ2 Gohan's scene several sets ahead and assumed that it will be fucked in a similar way. Granted, their concerns are valid-- NO misic should be removed or altered at any time-- but I'm going to assume that Spirit vs. Spirit is definitely separate from the vocal track and that we won't have any weird "erasure" problems concerning dub /w Japanese BGM playback. They've done similar things for DragonBall, so I don't see any reason to assume it won't happen here based on a single missing musical cue.

I recall the spanish dub was missing Spirit vs Spirit in their SSJ2 Gohan episode. I dunno if it was the vocal track or if it was just removed in general. I do remember Mind Power Ki being intact in the spanish dub however.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:50 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I do remember Mind Power Ki being intact in the spanish dub however.

Gah. Someone feel free to correct me on this, but isn't Eric Vale talking through that entire sequence on the dub side? If a running dialogue becomes merged with Mind Power Ki, it's going to sound . . . well, strange.

~Da Lemmy

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:58 pm

I really hope that they keep the song during Gohan's SSJ2 Transformation.

Shin Moonwalker · Post by **Shin Moonwalker** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:20 pm

Well, if they don't, you'll just have to watch it in Japanese, which is what I always do

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:20 pm

So is Season 3 at Wal*Mart yet?

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:36 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I do remember Mind Power Ki being intact in the spanish dub however.
Gah. Someone feel free to correct me on this, but isn't Eric Vale talking through that entire sequence on the dub side? If a running dialogue becomes merged with Mind Power Ki, it's going to sound . . . well, strange.

Since they are changing dialouge, they might just cut the talking from that scene in the dub.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:38 pm

Nope at least not mine.

KillerCory · Post by **KillerCory** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:49 pm

I've called my bestbuy and they told me they won't put the DVD on the shelves before the street date or they will get in trouble.

BS

I know that other stores have sold them and they had season 1 for sell two days early.

Ugh, guess I can wait another 15 hours...

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:12 pm

So, I got this set today and no, I won't be doing a dissection. This topic has been pretty good at posting the usual screen caps, audio samples and all that good stuff. I will however no just go over a few things that I noticed just by watching the first disc:

I could totally tell who was re-dubbed and who wasn't. Piccolo, King Kai, Yamcha, Tien, Chowtzu... all were not redubbed. This was totally disappointing. It dose not make sense. They re-dubbed Dende whos original season 3 voice was fine, but just skip over these important roles.

As people were mentioning they did add the occasional swears, which Iam fine with. The only people who actually swear though are the people they chose to re-dub. Also, most odd ball lines were changed (again only for the re-dubbed characters). For example "Don't piss off the Dragon of love" is now "Please don't disrespect the Dragon", "Holy Cosmos look at the size of that thing" is now "Wha... look at that thing". This kind of a fix is great but then you hear 1999 King Kai and his corny ass lines, it just sounds shitty.

And is it me or do the lip flaps not match Frezza form II's mouth.

Anyway... The booklet is kind of funny. In the season 1 set the booklet credited the English voice actor as well as the Japanese voice actor. In the season 2 set this was gone. Now in the season 3 booklet only SOME characters voice actors are credited. We get the credits for Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta. Frezza, King Kai... not credited. Odd.

I think that is all. Anything else would just be beating a dead horse.

KillerCory · Post by **KillerCory** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:25 pm

I could totally tell who was re-dubbed and who wasn't. Piccolo, King Kai, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chowtzu... all were not redubbed. This was totally disappointing. It dose not make sense. They re-dubbed Dende whos original season 3 voice was fine, but just skip over these important roles.

Very disappointing indeed. Those voices were some of the worst ever!

*Sigh*

I bet the whole redub script for this season could fit on one page.

Didn't Tenshinhan's voice actor change when the Cell arc began?

Post by **TripleRach** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:39 pm

KillerCory wrote:Didn't Tenshinhan's voice actor change when the Cell arc began?

Yeah, John Burgmeier took over in the (actual) fourth season, which started with the Trunks episodes, and did his voice through the rest of DBZ, all of DB, and then the redubs of early DBZ. (He might've started with the Garlic Jr episodes, if Tenshinhan even appears during those.)

But during the third season, Tenshinhan was voiced by like three or four different people, which I remember one of FUNimation's actors joking about in an interview after Burgmeier took over. (It might have even been an interview with Burgmeier himself.) This seems like one of the most obvious characters to redub for consistency's sake, and I know he still works for FUNimation on some of their most recent shows, so that's pretty retarded if they really didn't bring Burgmeier in to redub Tenshinhan. He only makes a handful of appearances, so it's not like it would've taken very long.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:49 pm

I could totally tell who was re-dubbed and who wasn't. Piccolo, King Kai, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chowtzu

Tien WAS Re-Dubbed. That is Burgmeier's current voice.