People are getting tired of Goku and here is why

[BWri]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

It's because they balanced it much better in the past, even in the original manga. When Krillin fought Roshi in the tourney, Goku wasn't given obligatory screen time for no reason. Before, when Goku was on screen, he needed to be there most of the time. In Super, he's often intruding on character moments and fights that aren't his at the expense of story logic. DB was clearly Goku's story, but that wasn't so clear in Z. In Z it was definitely an ensemble from start to finish with Goku playing cleanup crew. Super is just weird. It wants to focus on Goku but his character development is mostly done, so it feels like the show isn't going anywhere when he's on screen. His only character development now is getting stronger, so when he's fighting people that aren't pushing his limits, it feels pointless. It's why the other characters need the growth. They need their limits tested more than Goku at this point. That's why the Roshi ep was so damn good.

[Noah]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

[NintendoBlaze53]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

Or Attack on Titan or Evangelion or Sword Art Online or certain seasons of Yu-Gi-Oh!, there's actually a fair few series where the fanbase complains about how much focus the main character gets in contrast to the rest of the cast.

[TekTheNinja]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

Or Attack on Titan or Evangelion or Sword Art Online or certain seasons of Yu-Gi-Oh!, there's actually a fair few series where the fanbase complains about how much focus the main character gets in contrast to the rest of the cast.

Makes sense for the most part, (especially Sword Art Online, which basically only exists to watch Kirito be a huge Mary Sue) but Attack on Titan? I sorta lost interest as the show went on so I'm no expert, but I was actually wondering where the fuck Eren even was for a lot of season two. It seemed he was barely even there for like half of the season.

Also, the reason it seems like a rare complaint is because most shows don't make ridiculous choices such as making a main character who's completely void of complexity and an in general an unlikable asshole (except for select moments such as that touching bit with Roshi) and then not have him grow from his experiences at all, and then despite all this still insist on making him the only character who ever does anything relevant.

[Bullza]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

I never saw anyone complain about Naruto having screentime or focus in the series. What I did see were people who were sick of Sasuke having screentime and focus and asking when it was going to hurry on back to Naruto.

The worst parts of that series was when it revolved around Sasuke.

[Saturnine]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

I never saw anyone complain about Naruto having screentime or focus in the series. What I did see were people who were sick of Sasuke having screentime and focus and asking when it was going to hurry on back to Naruto.

The worst parts of that series was when it revolved around Sasuke.

And that's like, your opinion bro Personally, I always found Naruto to be quite insufferable.

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

It's because they balanced it much better in the past, even in the original manga. When Krillin fought Roshi in the tourney, Goku wasn't given obligatory screen time for no reason. Before, when Goku was on screen, he needed to be there most of the time. In Super, he's often intruding on character moments and fights that aren't his at the expense of story logic. DB was clearly Goku's story, but that wasn't so clear in Z. In Z it was definitely an ensemble from start to finish with Goku playing cleanup crew. Super is just weird. It wants to focus on Goku but his character development is mostly done, so it feels like the show isn't going anywhere when he's on screen. His only character development now is getting stronger, so when he's fighting people that aren't pushing his limits, it feels pointless. It's why the other characters need the growth. They need their limits tested more than Goku at this point. That's why the Roshi ep was so damn good.

Yeah, this guy gets it

[BWri]

Yeah, this guy gets it

Lol, it's not hard to get. Even if you really like someone and think they're awesome you'll soon get tired of them if they're always shoving themselves in front of your face when they don't belong.

[SsjCookie]

Yeah, this guy gets it

Lol, it's not hard to get. Even if you really like someone and think they're awesome you'll soon get tired of them if they're always shoving themselves in front of your face when they don't belong.

Some people like to eat pizza every day, they don't eat anything else.
Many (not all) Goku fans are the same.

[BWri]

Yeah, this guy gets it

Lol, it's not hard to get. Even if you really like someone and think they're awesome you'll soon get tired of them if they're always shoving themselves in front of your face when they don't belong.

Some people like to eat pizza every day, they don't eat anything else.
Many (not all) Goku fans are the same.

That's a good analogy. I live more by the phrase, "variety is the spice of life."

[Simere]

Variety would be the thousands of other stories I like besides DB.

[SsjCookie]

Lol, it's not hard to get. Even if you really like someone and think they're awesome you'll soon get tired of them if they're always shoving themselves in front of your face when they don't belong.

Some people like to eat pizza every day, they don't eat anything else.
Many (not all) Goku fans are the same.

That's a good analogy. I live more by the phrase, "variety is the spice of life."

Also a good one,
I fell in love with Dragonball for it's many varieties in interesting characters, not only because of Goku.
Bulma, Krillin, Tien, Gohan, Yamcha etc, they all made Goku look great because they had great interaction with each other and were given plenty of screen time next to Goku.
Goku was never too prominent on the foreground that he diminished the others in the process.
And at the same time, Goku made all the others also look great by stepping aside a bit , sadly, that's no longer the case in Super.

Super is over-Gokuized and he's in almost every episode now, even in the ones reserved for other characters and I really need a break from seeing him for a while.

[Arugela]

I'm not sure if it's technically over gokusized or is it simply lacking the other elements. Technically goku is doing his normal goku thing. I think it's the lack of setting... Everyone else is acting more simply and their characters nerfed in situations instead of using them fully.

It would be fun though if the writing was more like the original series. The playfulness is missing.

[Basako]

Dragon Ball, the only series where people whine about the main character being in the series.

Have you never watched Naruto or Saint Seiya?

I think in this two examples secondary characters get memorable fights too. In Naruto, the big war, all the rest of Naruto's friends were fighting interesting enemies and winning. In Saint Seiya, apart from Seiya, the others have their fights too in every arc.

I still prefer DB by far, but there is a point in threads like this existing.

[SsjCookie]

I'm not sure if it's technically over gokusized or is it simply lacking the other elements. Technically goku is doing his normal goku thing. I think it's the lack of setting... Everyone else is acting more simply and their characters nerfed in situations instead of using them fully.

It would be fun though if the writing was more like the original series. The playfulness is missing.

I know what you mean, The chemistry between them is missing. They are in the show but at the same time they are not.
Other than Bulma, many of the other side characters feel like they don't matter anymore.
And maybe sadly that's the case here.
Goku is no longer connecting with his older friends the way he used to.

[BWri]

Some people like to eat pizza every day, they don't eat anything else.
Many (not all) Goku fans are the same.

That's a good analogy. I live more by the phrase, "variety is the spice of life."

Also a good one,
I fell in love with Dragonball for it's many varieties in interesting characters, not only because of Goku.
Bulma, Krillin, Tien, Gohan, Yamcha etc, they all made Goku look great because they had great interaction with each other and were given plenty of screen time next to Goku.
Goku was never too prominent on the foreground that he diminished the others in the process.
And at the same time, Goku made all the others also look great by stepping aside a bit , sadly, that's no longer the case in Super.

Super is over-Gokuized and he's in almost every episode now, even in the ones reserved for other characters and I really need a break from seeing him for a while.

Yup, you put that perfectly. I liked Goku most in Dragon Ball for the reasons you listed plus the fact that he had more character development back then and more of a reason to be on screen. Back then, he legitimately was the most interesting character on the hero side until his character arc ended and he just became the guy that comes and defeats the final villain.

[TekTheNinja]

Honestly, even as a kid I didn't become a fan of Dragon Ball because of Goku. I always liked the more relatable characters such as the humans and Gohan. I liked Goku, but I only loved Goku in DB and never in DBZ. Then, even in DB I rooted more for the underdogs, as I usually do. When a character is pushed to have to strive to be greater than they are, that is far more compelling than a character who is already great and wants to become even greater for the HIFL of it. Luckily still, even in DB and DBZ, where Goku wasn't overexposed, there was points where he wasn't the strongest guy around. The role of strongest was actually juggled around quite often. Now, Goku is simply the strongest out of his own group always and finds enemies stronger than him rarely. It's pretty lame.

On another note, Goku hasn't even commented on Krillin being eliminated. What ever happened to him being his best friend? In DBS it feels like they have barely any bond at all. They act more like coworkers than life-long friends. It's sickening.

[Simere]

On another note, Goku hasn't even commented on Krillin being eliminated.

He commented this last episode. He was only eliminated; it's not like he died. Unless you want him to comment on how stupid Krillin was there's not much to say.

What ever happened to him being his best friend? In DBS it feels like they have barely any bond at all. They act more like coworkers than life-long friends. It's sickening.

Isn't it stranger that they're best friends in the first place? They trained together for a short time with Roshi and then Goku kept leaving for years on end. If Goku weren't who he is, didn't love freely without attachments, then they wouldn't be. Vegeta would be his best friend more realistically.

[TekTheNinja]

He commented this last episode. He was only eliminated; it's not like he died. Unless you want him to comment on how stupid Krillin was there's not much to say.

Concern that they lost a team member? A friendly comment about how he should watch back better? Reassurance that he tried his best and fought well? Anything at all?

Isn't it stranger that they're best friends in the first place?

No. They were training partners under Roshi and went on several adventures together. They clicked and now they're best friends. What's so strange about that?

Vegeta would be his best friend more realistically.

He practically is in Super and I ain't a big fan of that.

[Simere]

Concern that they lost a team member? A friendly comment about how he should watch back better? Reassurance that he tried his best and fought well? Anything at all?

Well, he just showed the concern, but you're still not satisfied. The other members of the team essentially said "so what"—not that I blame them. This is a competition, you've gotta maintain your mental focus in the heat of it.

No. They were training partners under Roshi and went on several adventures together. They clicked and now they're best friends. What's so strange about that?

What's strange about it is if you add back time to the context. They spent almost no time together as kids and even less as adults. Those "several"(I'd call it a couple) adventures you're talking about lasted less than day. Meanwhile, best friends who saw each other every day for years growing up and then drifted apart as adults can't claim such closeness.

[TekTheNinja]

Concern that they lost a team member? A friendly comment about how he should watch back better? Reassurance that he tried his best and fought well? Anything at all?

Well, he just showed the concern, but you're still not satisfied. The other members of the team essentially said "so what"—not that I blame them. This is a competition, you've gotta maintain your mental focus in the heat of it.

No. They were training partners under Roshi and went on several adventures together. They clicked and now they're best friends. What's so strange about that?

What's strange about it is if you add back time to the context. They spent almost no time together as kids and even less as adults. Those "several"(I'd call it a couple) adventures you're talking about lasted less than day. Meanwhile, best friends who saw each other every day for years growing up and then drifted apart as adults can't claim such closeness.

Your drifting the point away anyway. I don't care much to debate how or why they are friends. That's irrelevant. The point is they are and have been for most of the series, and now in DBS it seems like aren't because Goku acts as if he's just a random acquaintance.