"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

Misty was written off the pokemon anime 15 years ago way back in 2002. She made a few guest appearances in Hoenn but otherwise hadn't appeared in 12 years till now. It's just a 2-ep to celebrate the 20th anniversary. Brock stayed in the anime for 13 years till the end of DP.

Overall though you guys are kinda right, all the original Pokemon fans are now 25-30 year old adults. Millions of kids got into the franchise in the 15 years since Misty was axed from the show.

They're definitely not 30. I grew up with Pokemon, most fans are in my age group (20 to 25).

[precita]

They're definitely not 30. I grew up with Pokemon, most fans are in my age group (20 to 25).

Uh, I am. Pokemon came out in 1997 in Japan and 1998 in the dub for the west. That's literally 20 years ago. A kid who was 10 when Pokemon first came out would be 30 now. Most people in the online pokemon fandom right now are in their late 20's or early 30's. Besides the younger people who got into it during the 2000's instead.

[JulieYBM]

I dunno. Don't they appeal to a very specific age group nostalgia window, Misty and Brock? I was only into pokémon for two years and I think she left a year after I stopped watching and then never(?) same back while Brock returns once or twice(?).

Kasumi left after the first series ended and only returned for a sporadic appearance during the second series, Advanced Generation. Takeshi was a main character until the end of Diamond & Pearl. He returned for a team-up with Dent at the end of Best Wishes and is now returning for Sun & Moon. Ueda Yuuji, his actor, has continually voiced Pokemon for the series, though.

[Chuquita]

I feel like if I hadn't dropped off of the pokémon anime naturally half a dozen episodes into Johto, that Misty leaving would've been the event to make me drop it. Kid me shipped Misty and Ash pretty hard. Kid me also didn't realize the pokémon tv series would continue into perpetuity, so at most adult me finds her and Brock popping back up novel, and I might tune in for that episode, but I don't care about the ship one way or the other anymore.

Bringing it back to Dragon Ball, Gokû's the only one who if he were written out would cause me to immediately drop Super.

[Totamo]

Just waiting on the cries of why would they put the canon figures with them non-canon abomination? GT has been forgotten/ignored/etc.

Even the loudest GT Haters have shown zero shits given towards GT Merchandise.

Nah I hear it all the time, especially the "It's not relevant anymore" crowd. It's relevant enough to still to this day be marketed. Unlike other spin off's which die off and are literally never mentioned again or marketed in other series.

GT wasn't a spinoff. It was a sequel and you know that.


GT however is marketed more than the original ball is, which should tell you all you need to know about our fanbase's interests.

[BlueBasilisk]

Bringing it back to Dragon Ball, Gokû's the only one who if he were written out would cause me to immediately drop Super.

Fortunately he's the one character who won't be. Wouldn't mind if he got written out of the WCF for a while though.

[dbzfan7]

Even the loudest GT Haters have shown zero shits given towards GT Merchandise.

Nah I hear it all the time, especially the "It's not relevant anymore" crowd. It's relevant enough to still to this day be marketed. Unlike other spin off's which die off and are literally never mentioned again or marketed in other series.

GT wasn't a spinoff. It was a sequel and you know that.


GT however is marketed more than the original ball is, which should tell you all you need to know about our fanbase's interests.

A spin off can also be a sequel you know. Metal Gear Rising is a spin off and a sequel to Metal Gear Solid 4.

[Hellspawn28]

Misty was written off the pokemon anime 15 years ago way back in 2002. She made a few guest appearances in Hoenn but otherwise hadn't appeared in 12 years till now. It's just a 2-ep to celebrate the 20th anniversary. Brock stayed in the anime for 13 years till the end of DP.

Overall though you guys are kinda right, all the original Pokemon fans are now 25-30 year old adults. Millions of kids got into the franchise in the 15 years since Misty was axed from the show.

They're definitely not 30. I grew up with Pokemon, most fans are in my age group (20 to 25).

Most people that grew up with Pokemon during the G1 era in 1998-1999 in the US where kids under the age of 12. Kids born in 1987-1994 would have been the right age for Pokemon when it was brand new in the US around that time.

The moment DBS returns from the break, I wonder if Pokemon might defeat them in the ratings because DBS will clash with the Pokemon episode that features the return of Misty and Brock.

I hear the Pokemon anime does not get high ratings than it used to. Dragon Ball Super seems to be the best selling anime on TV next to One Piece at the moment in Japan.

[SaiyanGod117]

all the original Pokemon fans are now 25-30 year old adults.

You're mistaken, there are plenty of original Pokémon fans who are even below 20, in their late teens and of course some in their early 20s.

[Totamo]

Nah I hear it all the time, especially the "It's not relevant anymore" crowd. It's relevant enough to still to this day be marketed. Unlike other spin off's which die off and are literally never mentioned again or marketed in other series.

GT wasn't a spinoff. It was a sequel and you know that.


GT however is marketed more than the original ball is, which should tell you all you need to know about our fanbase's interests.

A spin off can also be a sequel you know. Metal Gear Rising is a spin off and a sequel to Metal Gear Solid 4.

Not if it has the same main character.

Do you consider Boruto a spin off

[Chuquita]

The moment DBS returns from the break, I wonder if Pokemon might defeat them in the ratings because DBS will clash with the Pokemon episode that features the return of Misty and Brock.

I hear the Pokemon anime does not get high ratings than it used to. Dragon Ball Super seems to be the best selling anime on TV next to One Piece at the moment in Japan.

Sun/Moon's anime (what 20 episodes I watched of it) is more of a sakuga paradise than anything else. It's fun to watch in motion, but the overarching plot went nowhere, at least for the episodes I saw.

Did kids like the previous series more? Was the previous pokémon anime (XYZ?) more plot heavy? I never watched it. I only popped into Sun/Moon because of the sakuga + TFSGaming was doing their Sun/Moon game playthrough at the time + I learned Zamasu and James share a Japanese voice actor. (Which resulted in me immediately looking up clips of subbed Kanto-era Team Rocket. Gal!Kojiro from the Queen Anne episode says cho~ in place of cooool~. Not that anyone was wondering, but now you know.)

I could swear the Kanto stuff moved the game plot along faster than Sun/Moon, but it's been so long I could be wrong. Either way, sakuga alone wasn't enough to keep me interested and that's why I dropped Sun/Moon.

[JulieYBM]

Pokemon is finally regularly placing high in the ratings again thanks to Sun & Moon after XY dropped off. The school setting and slighter lean toward everyday life settings probably make it easier for casual audiences to enjoy. The fact that Satoshi has more of a personality now certainly helps, too.

[perucho1990]

Toei should get some Pokemon writers then if they could make Satoshi aka Ash interesting in Sun&Moon.

Vegeta, Piccolo need it, specially the former, and doesnt help that Horikawa isnt as good as in the 80s. IMO Sabat is now better than current Horikawa.

[dbzfan7]

GT wasn't a spinoff. It was a sequel and you know that.


GT however is marketed more than the original ball is, which should tell you all you need to know about our fanbase's interests.

A spin off can also be a sequel you know. Metal Gear Rising is a spin off and a sequel to Metal Gear Solid 4.

Not if it has the same main character.

Do you consider Boruto a spin off

I consider Boruto both a spin off of the original and a sequel.

Though I suppose side story could be a better word....and a side story can still be a sequel too.
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[Chuquita]

I normally like slice of life stuff too, but I just wasn't able to stick with Sun/Moon. I do really like that five months(?) of lead time pokémon gets with its episodes though. The luxury of having that much time to prepare before your episode airs sounds incredible.

That said, I am a little bit wary of the potential low quality of the Super episodes that occur directly before and after the hour long special due to how rushed Super's schedule is by comparison.

[Hawk9211]

I normally like slice of life stuff too, but I just wasn't able to stick with Sun/Moon. I do really like that five months(?) of lead time pokémon gets with its episodes though. The luxury of having that much time to prepare before your episode airs sounds incredible.

That said, I am a little bit wary of the potential low quality of the Super episodes that occur directly before and after the hour long special due to how rushed Super's schedule is by comparison.

Why isn't the special just a double episode with double time plus there is also a break due to history special?

[Chuquita]

I normally like slice of life stuff too, but I just wasn't able to stick with Sun/Moon. I do really like that five months(?) of lead time pokémon gets with its episodes though. The luxury of having that much time to prepare before your episode airs sounds incredible.

That said, I am a little bit wary of the potential low quality of the Super episodes that occur directly before and after the hour long special due to how rushed Super's schedule is by comparison.

Why isn't the special just a double episode with double time plus there is also a break due to history special?

That'll help. This upcoming episode looks a little shaky though, but it could just be the preview images.

[JulieYBM]

Toei should get some Pokemon writers then if they could make Satoshi aka Ash interesting in Sun&Moon.

Vegeta, Piccolo need it, specially the former, and doesnt help that Horikawa isnt as good as in the 80s. IMO Sabat is now better than current Horikawa.

Tomioka Atsuhiro writes for both.

[TheOne]

all the original Pokemon fans are now 25-30 year old adults.

You're mistaken, there are plenty of original Pokémon fans who are even below 20, in their late teens and of course some in their early 20s.

I'm 27. Pokémon came out (to my understanding) in America when I was 7/8 ish. You're talking about people currently in their teens being fans of the original Pokémon. How could they if they weren't even born at that point...? Even early 20s would be a stretch.

Now if you meant that they like watching the original Pokémon then that's a different story. But to imply that kids who were still in their dads ball sack or 4 years old to be part of the "original fans" group, then that's a little silly.

[sangofe]

Has this become the official pokemon thread now?