Do you consider the Boo arc better than Super?

[Trickster]

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He improves because he wants to be like Goku. Thats not, well entertaining.


Here is the thing: Vegeta never would have improved himself unless he is trying to surpass Goku. I always bring this up and people ignore me. Vegeta was that character in GT and he did nothing of merit. He didn't even improve himself and it took a shortcut to achieve power. That Vegeta was boring.


You want Vegeta domesticated.

No. "Vegeta domesticated" is the way he looks NOW, obeying everything Bills and Bulma tell him to do. That's another point that proves how inconsistent the character is. In battle moments he is Cell arc's Vegeta, fight without thinking, being proud, ignoring Goku's knowledge (but, in this point, I don't blame him, since DBS' Goku is a complete dumbass), but, in everyday life (am I using this term correctly?), he even wore a maid costume.

Look at EoZ, when Goku is having a conversation with him, he even smiles, they're two real friends having a conversation. He is not that angry and irrational guy anymore. For God's sake, his development in Boo Arc was entirely about this. The fact he wears Freeza's armor is also an evidence of how his characterization is totally wrong. He wears it everytime, even to train at the gravity's room, while he didn't wear it anytime in Boo Saga, because it was part of his past, part of the cold-blood killer Vegeta. GT's Vegeta is the natural progression of the character, both on design and personality.

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No, you're just making up assumptions for why he is wearing his armor. Enough with the armor being about his cold blooded past or what not. The armor is his, he can wear it whenever he wants to, it's his Saiyan armor, his race, his heritage. Last time I checked, when Vegeta was fighting off against Black/Fused Zamasu (manga) Vegeta was definately his post Buu-arc self and was still wearing his Saiyan armor.

Okay, Vegeta smiles at Goku so that proves that Vegeta is not an angry person anymore? So what? Vegeta smiles at Goku at the very end of Resurrection 'F' and their teamwork is still funky. Vegeta's whole entire character arc in the Buu arc was to let his arrogance go and to tone his pride down a notch so that he can see reality and not always beleive that he will always win each and every one of his battles, that is the reason why Vegeta made his No.1 speech about Goku. He knew Goku was stronger than him at that period, and he knew that if there was someone who could stop Buu, it was Goku. Even when King Yemma revived Vegeta, Vegeta knew himself that he was no match for Buu and even claimed that there was no point for him in being resurrected because he knew that he would die again. Heck, in the manga, Vegeta even knew and understood that Goku was the only one capable of fighting against Fused Zamasu, and so that was the reason why he let Trunks heal Goku instead of himself. Vegeta knows that Goku is usually one step ahead of him, but that doesn't stop Vegeta from trying to surpass Goku. Just watch Super's episode 2 and Resurrection 'F'.

You did not get my point at all. My english may not be the best one, but let's start from the beginning.

Vegeta is a character, he was created by someone, just as he is also written by someone. He does not decide what kind of clothing he's going to wear in any moment, because he is a character, he does not exist. I hope you understood that. With that clear, we have to keep in our minds how the clothing a character wears is part of his characterization, such as his facial expressions, his dialogue lines and the way he interacts with the other ones.

The armor Vegeta used to wear was not a saiyan vestiment, it was from Freeza's army. That's very clear in Freeza Saga or even in RoF, where we can see many soldiers using a extremely similar armor. The process of him letting his vestiment style behind was part of the logical progression that Toriyama has given to the character, making him more and more human and integrated to Earthlings lifestyle. He is not a warrior anymore, he is not a killer; he ia a husband, a father, who LIKES TO FIGHT but as a sport. GT followed this visual progression, giving him even a mustach. But this logical was broken in DBS, where, because of fanservices purposes, he started to wear his armor again.

This is the interpretation I got from the manga. Maybe Toriyama didn't even think of that. But it makes sense and, unconsciously or not, it became part of the Vegeta's characterization through the series.

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I agree what you said about Buu Arc and about Zamasu Arc, btw. And Vegeta smiling at Goku proves exactly what Asura said right above.

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He is not a warrior anymore, he is not a killer; he ia a husband, a father, who LIKES TO FIGHT but as a sport. GT followed this visual progression, giving him even a mustach. But this logical was broken in DBS, where, because of fanservices purposes, he started to wear his armor again.

That's not his arc. Vegeta is always a warrior. He's a warrior to his very core, just like Goku. The only difference is that he doesn't see someone better than him as an insult to his self image.

[Trickster]

He is not a warrior anymore, he is not a killer; he ia a husband, a father, who LIKES TO FIGHT but as a sport. GT followed this visual progression, giving him even a mustach. But this logical was broken in DBS, where, because of fanservices purposes, he started to wear his armor again.

That's not his arc. Vegeta is always a warrior. He's a warrior to his very core, just like Goku. The only difference is that he doesn't see someone better than him as an insult to his self image.

With "warrior", I meant someone who fights wars, conquers planets, annihilates entire civilizations, things he used to do.