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remain this stoic, almost unlikeable person nowadays is frustrating
When was Goku ever stoic?
Then again just because something's more accurate doesn't mean it's better just because of that fact. Sometimes I just prefer the dub version of Goku, his speech to Krillin about letting Vegeta go in the original dub makes a lot more sense, and would seem like something than would actually convince Krillin.
Except that it's not his character. He is the kind of character who would let the bad guy go for the sake of a fight.
Sorry, meant static character.
You're right, that's not true to his character. But sometimes I wish it were
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
remain this stoic, almost unlikeable person nowadays is frustrating
When was Goku ever stoic?
Then again just because something's more accurate doesn't mean it's better just because of that fact. Sometimes I just prefer the dub version of Goku, his speech to Krillin about letting Vegeta go in the original dub makes a lot more sense, and would seem like something than would actually convince Krillin.
Except that it's not his character. He is the kind of character who would let the bad guy go for the sake of a fight.
Sorry, meant static character.
You're right, that's not true to his character. But sometimes I wish it were
If you want that type of character then you could watch Superman movies.
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
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Dragon Ball Gus wrote:People who disrespect Masako Nozawa, say that Super Saiyan God is stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, and who think that Goku Black is Goten.
That is still a thing?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique. The scream especially ... ugh.
- MasakoX's voice of adult TFS Goku. Sounds gay and lame. I know his voice with the S's is something he has in default, but it annoys me.
- Any kind of filler or joke in the show that makes me feel like an idiot for watching something meant for 10-year-olds. The truth hurts.
- People who call FighterZ a mobile game.
- Power Levels.
- Fans who constantly cling on to Power Levels as a way to hate on Super.
- Lack of subtitles in TFS DBZ Abridged. They could help a non-native English speaker a lot.
- Anything that has to do with Broly (Kale counts - she ultra sucks).
- That Cooler isn't canon.
- Frieza yet to have a Final Form Cooler-like transformation.
- Earthlings yet to be given a way to reach the power of the Saiyans.
- Yamcha being used as a meme and a joke. He deserves so much more than that.
- Story being centered on Goku.
- Goku whenever he acts like a retard and makes morally dubious choices for the sake of a good match.
That's what mostly grinds my gears in Dragon Ball (Z/GT/Super)
If you want that type of character then you could watch Superman movies.
Or the animated series because the movies are awful.
- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique
He doesn't have a body builder's physique and a physique has nothing to do with one's voice.
- Story being centered on Goku.
You might as well be irritated that a Batman story centers on Batman.
It makes him a hard character to like or root for.
You don't have to like him to find him interesting.
I get that the dub changed people's understanding of the characters and the story. Hell, it took me until my 20s to understand who Goku really was. I blame Toei and the dub for that misperception.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
You're right I don't have to like him, but I really want to.
And just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean the story has to revolve around him. The Namek Saga up to the Ginyu Force arc, and a good chunk of the Android Saga had the focus on other characters. The Buu Saga kinda tried, pushing Gotenks and Gohan before going back to Goku and Vegeta.
- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique
He doesn't have a body builder's physique and a physique has nothing to do with one's voice.
Actually steroids that are unused by body are converted to estrogen that affects larynx- so high pitched voice is very common among athletes and almost given for those overdosing supplements (meanwhile women ends with deep voice). And you don't have to be a strongman to be affected- Ray Park who made awesome stunts in The Phantom menace without breaking a sweat had his voice overdubed in every production since it seemed to be out of place.
And for liking Goku... characters' doesn't have to be likable to be liked. There's a place for wholesome paragons but fiction has a lot more to offer like characters with different moral codes. Goku wasn't written as a paragon- he has a heart and a bit of brain but his love for fight and carefree attitude connected with lack of empathy is an interesting combination of pros and flaws.
And DBSA does have subs on youtube- script and various translations.
Per aspera ad astra, man!
Women belong in the kitchen.
Men belong in the kitchen.
Everyone belongs in the kitchen, the kitchen has food
- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique
He doesn't have a body builder's physique and a physique has nothing to do with one's voice.
Actually steroids that are unused by body are converted to estrogen that affects larynx- so high pitched voice is very common among athletes and almost given for those overdosing supplements (meanwhile women ends with deep voice). And you don't have to be a strongman to be affected- Ray Park who made awesome stunts in The Phantom menace without breaking a sweat had his voice overdubed in every production since it seemed to be out of place.
And for liking Goku... characters' doesn't have to be likable to be liked. There's a place for wholesome paragons but fiction has a lot more to offer like characters with different moral codes. Goku wasn't written as a paragon- he has a heart and a bit of brain but his love for fight and carefree attitude connected with lack of empathy is an interesting combination of pros and flaws.
And DBSA does have subs on youtube- script and various translations.
I know I'm the king of pedantic, but it doesn't affect it to that extent. ANd what does Park's voice have to do with this? He's not a body builder and his voice wasn't dubbed over in X-Men. His voice is naturally high.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:When some people praise mediocrity or garbage, like its breaking new ground. AKA Dragon Ball Super
So you don't like the idea of people liking stuff that you don't like?
I never said that or implied it, DBS is nothing more than uncreative and uninspired mediocrity most of the time and during certain points of the story, some people try to make more out of something of what's really being shown.
When some fans try to make moments in the series out to examples of subtlety. If you don't agree, they will imply or outright say that it went over your head because it wasn't spelled out for you.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Over exaggeration. I find this mainly in comments regarding to Super with how it makes people churn out comments like, "As for the rest of you who are going to read this comment, I didn't mean to offend people and hopefully it's clear that I'm only supporting freedom of speech." Like...Christ dude this is a cartoon from Japan about fighting not life or death politics :/
