"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MrBlackFox]

He'll finally start talking, massive power up confirmed
BTW, aside from jokes, we're about to see why Toppo and Jiren conserved energy so morbidly, even letting their friends get eliminated, Jiren alone will do a massacre

I'm pretty scared Jiren will eliminate 90% of the remaining participants, cutting a lot of time and letting us with just 10-15 fighters

A cheap way to not show more detailed eliminations imo, really hope I'm wrong now saying that

I've actually become more and more convinced they're going to do something like this, especially how they're in such a rush to eliminate certain people.. like eliminating 4 of the pride troopers in a 2 minute battle for example. I've been sensing feelings of regret about making it a battle royale since after the 2nd or 3rd episode they stopped doing tag team battles entirely and just doing 1v1s mostly. Now they're going to eliminate people very quickly in the next few episodes I guarantee it and then 5 episodes or so of Jiren, Toppo, Hit, Goku, Veg and couple other top tier fighters.

Goku new form being the Trunks Genkidama mode isnt that bad of an idea, Toei might have Goku remembering Trunks using that form and when he chopped Merged Zamasu in 2 and believe that if Trunks could do it then why cant Goku attempt to unlock that form either?

I seriously hope not unless they do a lot of explaining. If it just happens like it did with Trunks with no one even commenting or acknowleding it, it will be extremely disappointing. It would also be strange that Trunks got the form already when he wasn't SSG or SS3 yet, but if they explain it well it could work. I just know if they did something like that they would probably barely explain it, or their explanation will somehow contradict what happened with Trunks.

And we'll finally realize how we had a battle royal who's not a battle royal, never has been, and if they'd made a classic 1vs1 tournament, with 50 characters but godly characterized, all this arc would have been leagues better

At the end of the day, no one among the characters ever did something we'll remember, aside from the boring Goku and u7 vs all, Kale and Caulifla for one or two episodes, u11 for one, and some other fodders for... seconds

I forgot many contestants yet, but I still remember even every Budokai participant from the first very DB to the Z ending, and I watched DB once in my life, DBZ tournaments less than five or six, and Super rewatching on YT gone through the roof yet, I've probably already passed the 10-11 rewatching for ToP episode

[Michsi]

Firstly, I meant to write "smarts rather than raw power."

But yeah, I am aware that DB puts emphasis on pure, destructive power and flashy beams, but what I don't get is the disdain some people show towards characters that are obviously skilled, just don't have the brute strength to take on any opponent head on.

For me, my disdain is largely in response to the idea that the weaker fighters are more tactical. Goku's not only stronger than Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha, he's a smarter fighter than them as well. Flashy techniques with a dozen weaknesses aren't more tactical just because they look more complicated than a punch. That they have to resort to such gimmicks is a demonstration of desperation, not a superior understanding technique.

The fundamentals of attacking and guarding, of prediction and anticipation; those are where the true tactics of a fight are, not in the gimmicks. If your technique relies on your opponent's inadequacies then it's not good in the long run. It's only a matter of time until you run into an opponent who knows how to respond.

Goku is a smart fighter, his battle sense is second to no one - that has been made clear several times over the course of the story. And he loves copying and using those gimmicks you are referring to. The solar flare, the kaioken, the spirit bomb; he came up with none of them, but he did rely on them a lot. Especially at crucial times.
But he is also a special case among the saiyans. I mentioned Gotenks as an exception to inventing techniques.

It's always been an interesting topic - if the saiyans were on the exact same level power-wise as say Tenshinhan or Krillin, which one of them would win? I think Goku would, Vegeta might too( but I see him struggling a bit more than Goku) , less convinced about Gohan and Trunks, though.

[MrBlackFox]

Firstly, I meant to write "smarts rather than raw power."

But yeah, I am aware that DB puts emphasis on pure, destructive power and flashy beams, but what I don't get is the disdain some people show towards characters that are obviously skilled, just don't have the brute strength to take on any opponent head on.

For me, my disdain is largely in response to the idea that the weaker fighters are more tactical. Goku's not only stronger than Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha, he's a smarter fighter than them as well. Flashy techniques with a dozen weaknesses aren't more tactical just because they look more complicated than a punch. That they have to resort to such gimmicks is a demonstration of desperation, not a superior understanding technique.

The fundamentals of attacking and guarding, of prediction and anticipation; those are where the true tactics of a fight are, not in the gimmicks. If your technique relies on your opponent's inadequacies then it's not good in the long run. It's only a matter of time until you run into an opponent who knows how to respond.

Goku is a smart fighter, his battle sense is second to no one - that has been made clear several times over the course of the story. And he loves copying and using those gimmicks you are referring to. The solar flare, the kaioken, the spirit bomb; he came up with none of them, but he did rely on them a lot. Especially at crucial times.
But he is also a special case among the saiyans. I mentioned Gotenks as an exception to inventing techniques.

It's always been an interesting topic - if the saiyans were on the exact same level power-wise as say Tenshinhan or Krillin, which one of them would win? I think Goku would, Vegeta might too( but I see him struggling a bit more than Goku) , less convinced about Gohan and Trunks, though.

Piccolo would smash them all, is too intelligent to be even close to everyone else, is only weak now but on pair would rock, Roshi would be A great strong second, he's a master and he just remembered us why
And Vegeta or Goku would be third maybe, followed by Gohan, people started to get eliminated after they broke his strategy not for random reasons, otherwise maybe we'd still have Tien and Krillin, he's a smart fighter definitely

[VegettoEX]

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[TheDipDap1234]

DBS and OP promotional material for the 1 hour special

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According to Ken Xyro the image says there will be only 32 fighters left in the tournament, and that Beerus notices funky team number of U4.

[Chuquita]

How many fighters are currently left? Around 50, right?

[TheDipDap1234]

How many fighters are currently left? Around 50, right?

36

[Jigurashi]

For me, my disdain is largely in response to the idea that the weaker fighters are more tactical. Goku's not only stronger than Tenshinhan, Krillin and Yamcha, he's a smarter fighter than them as well. Flashy techniques with a dozen weaknesses aren't more tactical just because they look more complicated than a punch. That they have to resort to such gimmicks is a demonstration of desperation, not a superior understanding technique.

The fundamentals of attacking and guarding, of prediction and anticipation; those are where the true tactics of a fight are, not in the gimmicks. If your technique relies on your opponent's inadequacies then it's not good in the long run. It's only a matter of time until you run into an opponent who knows how to respond.

Goku is a smart fighter, his battle sense is second to no one - that has been made clear several times over the course of the story. And he loves copying and using those gimmicks you are referring to. The solar flare, the kaioken, the spirit bomb; he came up with none of them, but he did rely on them a lot. Especially at crucial times.
But he is also a special case among the saiyans. I mentioned Gotenks as an exception to inventing techniques.

It's always been an interesting topic - if the saiyans were on the exact same level power-wise as say Tenshinhan or Krillin, which one of them would win? I think Goku would, Vegeta might too( but I see him struggling a bit more than Goku) , less convinced about Gohan and Trunks, though.

Piccolo would smash them all, is too intelligent to be even close to everyone else, is only weak now but on pair would rock, Roshi would be A great strong second, he's a master and he just remembered us why
And Vegeta or Goku would be third maybe, followed by Gohan, people started to get eliminated after they broke his strategy not for random reasons, otherwise maybe we'd still have Tien and Krillin, he's a smart fighter definitely

[Chuquita]

How many fighters are currently left? Around 50, right?

36

Thank you!

I couldn't find the thread that's been keeping track of this.

[TheDipDap1234]

The image also says that U6 will remain with 8 members till episode 109 according to GovetaXV

That means Magetta and Frost won't get ringed out in the next 2 episodes for sure.

[Jigurashi]

The image also says that U6 will remain with 8 members till episode 109 according to GovetaXV

That means Magetta and Frost won't get ringed out in the next 2 episodes for sure.

So we're only losing 4 more people from now until 109?

[Chuquita]

Maybe they're saving them so we'll lose a lot in one go to Jiren in 109?

[pacz360]

The image also says that U6 will remain with 8 members till episode 109 according to GovetaXV

That means Magetta and Frost won't get ringed out in the next 2 episodes for sure.

Thank god

[namekiansaiyan]

Maybe they're saving them so we'll lose a lot in one go to Jiren in 109?

Jiren vs Goku is not the end probably and it is just coming early. Jiren will probably takr out some people like Ribrianne.

The image also says that U6 will remain with 8 members till episode 109 according to GovetaXV

That means Magetta and Frost won't get ringed out in the next 2 episodes for sure.

So we're only losing 4 more people from now until 109?

Maji=Kayo is probably 1 of them. Then there is Dyspo, Roshi and Vegeta who could go. Universe 2 might lose some members since they the Yardratian is going to be in episode 108.

[SansrivaaL]

Maybe they're saving them so we'll lose a lot in one go to Jiren in 109?

Yeah, the guy has done nothing to justify him as a threat besides catching an off guard Kale, feel like 20+ characters will go out when he starts to fight, wouldnt be surprised if Vegeta,Freeza,17 and Gohan will be part of his victims as those 4 are the strongest guys we have on our team.

[pacz360]

Don't we get an episode preview card tomorrow

[namekiansaiyan]

Don't we get an episode preview card tomorrow

Yes but I don't really know what else it can tell us about episode 107.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Maybe they're saving them so we'll lose a lot in one go to Jiren in 109?

Jiren vs Goku is not the end probably and it is just coming early. Jiren will probably takr out some people like Ribrianne.

Maji=Kayo is probably 1 of them. Then there is Dyspo, Roshi and Vegeta who could go. Universe 2 might lose some members since they the Yardratian is going to be in episode 108.

I believe the fight Between Ribrianne and Goku will be Interrupted but I don't Believe Ribrianne will get ring-out at all, she has the most likelihood of Universe 2 in being in this till then end. Also to keep up with Jiren and Goku when they are transformed into their New Forms, by going by Magical Girl Mythos I can see Ribrianne having another Transformations as well.

Indeed all theory, but that is what we all have in the end, we just need to make sure we can back it up.

I rather not speculate who WILL go, but the Less the Better, I don't want a Fully Clock Cleaning of the Universes by 1 Guy, that be Boring!

[Bullza]

Vegeta being afraid at first doesn't make those opponents worth any greater?

It's not so much the worth but how he handled them. Vegeta in the Namek saga was a cowardly loser for the most part, that frightened of others that he kept trying to run away. Got the shit beat out of him multiple times by third rate henchmen and cried like a girl.

When in Super have we seen Vegeta petrified of someone to the extent he tried to run away? When in Super has he been viciously stomped by three people in a couple days and someone has had to save him? When in Super has he cried like a sissy from being beaten up?

They we're the best five? So like I said, the guys on Namek were the best guys around outside of Freeza, the same way these guys were the best guys outside of Hitto. It's the same thing. He only ever defeats secondary tier fighters.

They weren't the best. The best five were Frieza, Captain Ginyu, Recoome, Burter and Jeice. Vegeta beat just the one of them after he had already been beaten by Goku and got stomped by two others. Was frightened of all five of them and ran away or tried to run away from we'll say two of them.

Meanwhile in the Tournament. The best five were Hit, Cabba, Magetta, Frost and Botamo. Vegeta beat three of them in a row, none of them having being previously defeated by someone else first. Was frightened of none of them and fought Frost when he didn't even have too and tried to run away from none of them because he's so spineless anymore.

In Super, he got his ass killed by a beaten down Freeza, shitted on by Hitto, crapped on by gryll and forced to suck on a damn pacifier, gets one-shotted by Black, gets blasted by M-Zamasu while Goku and and Trunks proceed to outshine him there. Like his role isn't any. Ether he's still there to make Goku look better get trashed on unless he's fighting second tier fighters.

A Frieza who knew he'd lost and who almost killed Goku the same. Gryll never crapped on Vegeta, he ended up becoming Copy Vegeta where he fought Goku to a draw which he previously did in the Buu saga when someone had to hand him extra power. He was stomped by Black as was Goku and Trunks.

See you're mostly referring to Namek saga stuff because that was really his best saga sadly. What does he do after that? The entire second half of the series what does he actually do? He kills Android 19 the weakest of all the Androids and that was his greatest victory until Super came about. He gets stomped by Android 18. He gets stomped by Cell. He's not even worthy of taking part in the Cell Game and he knows it. He has trouble with a Cell Jr. He gets stomped by Cell again. He beats Pui Pui, nobody cares. He fights Goku to a draw but not with his own power. He gets stomped by Buu. He comes back and already knows he's worthless, he tries to buy Goku some time and gets stomped again and the Fat Buu buys him more time.

That was it. Across the entire second half of Z he beat one second rate fighter and one third rate fighter. He got more wins in that Universe 6 Tournament over a couple episodes against better opposition than he did in about 200 episodes of Z. He's beaten 8 third rate fighters in this Tournament which is probably more wins than he got in Z put together and he ain't even finished yet.

[Chuquita]

Don't we get an episode preview card tomorrow

Yes but I don't really know what else it can tell us about episode 107.

We could get it as early as this afternoon; next week's One Piece's manga chapter is already floating around out there meaning someone has early copies.