"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[precita]

I also don't like how Roshi may still be in after next episode.

I was having such a great time watching Krillin fight after the build-up he got and then he got eliminated in a stupid way.At least they could have make him be eliminated in a cooler way like Tenshinhan was or by protecting someone. But no. He and Yamcha are memes and the audience must always be reminded of that.

Meanwhile Roshi is still there spamming Mafubas.

Krillin got great treatment int he TOP and got good fights. I don't see what the big deal is. I would have liked to see him last longer too, but it is what it is.

[dbzfan7]

Really dislike this notion the DB fandom has taken of "in order to be important or very powerful, you must be hyped up or foreshadowed". Which is the reason the fanbase misunderstood Dispo's potential.

That's just good story-telling.

Or we could just have good interesting character match ups....that'd be nice instead of obstacle personification of the week. That has nothing to do with just mere power. 9 times out of 10 there's really no reason to give a crap about a fight beyond "Ooooo it's a fighty fight fighty." Super could have the greatest animation in the universe, but if there's really no reason to care about a fight...why should we care about what is going on? They say every protagonist needs a good antagonist and vice versa, but most antagonists might as well be big mountains you just take time to smash through, til it's over with.

[Will]

Really dislike this notion the DB fandom has taken of "in order to be important or very powerful, you must be hyped up or foreshadowed". Which is the reason the fanbase misunderstood Dispo's potential.

Yeah, especially since a lot of the first introduced character from an universe weren't the strongest of this universe at all (Murichim, Nigrisshi, Ganos)
Obuni from U10 was stronger than Murichim and everybody from U10.
Maji-Kayo from U3 was able to hold ssj Goku, he already has better feats than Nigrisshi from U3.
Shosa from U4 was able to hit and block hit from 18, he is way stronger than Ganos from U4.

[YonedgeHP]

Really dislike this notion the DB fandom has taken of "in order to be important or very powerful, you must be hyped up or foreshadowed". Which is the reason the fanbase misunderstood Dispo's potential.

That's just good story-telling.

We know for sure since Dragon Ball Z (and the original manga) that the Yardratians have interesting and useful techniques (it's an already established race), not only that but this guy fought with Super Saiyan Goku and Cauliflo without any sort of damage, he also throw out Zircol from Universe 10, which is more than any character from Universe 3, 4 and 10 (except Obuni) did, and those guys were a little built in-universe.

[The gr]

Or we could just have good interesting character match ups....that'd be nice instead of obstacle personification of the week. That has nothing to do with just mere power. 9 times out of 10 there's really no reason to give a crap about a fight beyond "Ooooo it's a fighty fight fighty." Super could have the greatest animation in the universe, but if there's really no reason to care about a fight...why should we care about what is going on? They say every protagonist needs a good antagonist and vice versa, but most antagonists might as well be big mountains you just take time to smash through, til it's over with.

Is just the writings is all over the place making it hard to care for these new character, I had no emotional reaction with kale & caulifla in ep 100-101 because I'm not properly invested with their relationship the only thing I know is kale like caulifla because reasons,they could have gohan vs lavender part 2,this matchup work because of them fought & their match ended a tie instead they throw the vegeta a bone & gave lavender to him The could have do something cool with u9.

The antagonist jiren is not That intimidating along with 95% of the contestant being fodder make this arc boring,is probably my least favorite tournament as of rigth now

[JazzMazz]

Really dislike this notion the DB fandom has taken of "in order to be important or very powerful, you must be hyped up or foreshadowed". Which is the reason the fanbase misunderstood Dispo's potential.

That's just good story-telling.

We know for sure since Dragon Ball Z (and the original manga) that the Yardratians have interesting and useful techniques, not only that but this guy fought with Super Saiyan Goku and Cauliflo without any sort of damage, he also throw out Zircol from Universe 10, which is more than any character from Universe 3, 4 and 10 (except Obuni) did, and those guys were a little built in-universe.

One of the major failings of the pre-tournament was that it did very little in the way of establishing members from other universes which were going to threats in the future, thus it's really hard to tell which characters are fodder, or actually important. In the tournament I definitely agree with you that the Yadrat definitely could be threat, since his one of the few competitors from a universe besides 6 and 7 that has knocked someone off the stage(so thats a plus).

[dbzfan7]

Or we could just have good interesting character match ups....that'd be nice instead of obstacle personification of the week. That has nothing to do with just mere power. 9 times out of 10 there's really no reason to give a crap about a fight beyond "Ooooo it's a fighty fight fighty." Super could have the greatest animation in the universe, but if there's really no reason to care about a fight...why should we care about what is going on? They say every protagonist needs a good antagonist and vice versa, but most antagonists might as well be big mountains you just take time to smash through, til it's over with.

Is just the writings is all over the place making it hard to care for these new character, I had no emotional reaction with kale & caulifla in ep 100-101 because I'm not properly invested with their relationship the only thing I know is kale like caulifla because reasons,they could have gohan vs lavender part 2,this matchup work because of them fought & their match ended a tie instead they throw the vegeta a bone & gave lavender to him The could have do something cool with u9.

The antagonist jiren is not That intimidating along with 90% of the contestant being fodder make this arc boring

Exactly, which is why I was pissed when they just had Goku and Vegeta eliminate all of them....what was gained from that? Not really anything at all. Krillin fighting Basil would have been a nice call back to the mind fight where they pictured he would lose. It can show further why Goku picked Krillin by having him win with a plan. Gohan vs Lavender would have made for a great rematch to show how far Gohan has come from their last bout. Would have been great.

Besides being treated as a joke, what does Gohan have that makes him vs the Yardrat interesting? Yardrat can be super strong for all I care, but that makes his build up utterly stupid and counter productive. None the less for once this is where actually I'd say Goku makes more sense for this fight. He was with the yardrats, he learned Instant Transmission, so it'd actually be more interesting for him to fight the yardrat....which was glossed over completely in that gag scene from 103 I think it was. Would rather they finish their fight as they have something tying them together at least.

[Chuquita]

I know it's my least favorite arc of Super so far. I actually might skip out on this arc's manga after the last book with the Zamasu arc chapters in it is published.

[sintzu]

I know it's my least favorite arc of Super so far. I actually might skip out on this arc's manga after the last book with the Zamasu arc chapters in it is published.

The manga had a very different start so it could end up being better (it most likely will).

[kinisking]

I got to say this arc has been the only time where I'm not excited for the next episode most of the time. It definitely peaked at 90 and then got boring for me. The only tournament episodes that met my expectations were 105 and 104. Although I admit 102 far surpassed expectations for me .

[The gr]

I know it's my least favorite arc of Super so far. I actually might skip out on this arc's manga after the last book with the Zamasu arc chapters in it is published.

Why skip it,it could be fun pointing out the diference & such,plus is monthly so is not wasting that much time to your social activity & more good goku

Exactly, which is why I was pissed when they just had Goku and Vegeta eliminate all of them....what was gained from that? Not really anything at all. Krillin fighting Basil would have been a nice call back to the mind fight where they pictured he would lose. It can show further why Goku picked Krillin by having him win with a plan. Gohan vs Lavender would have made for a great rematch to show how far Gohan has come from their last bout. Would have been great.

Besides being treated as a joke, what does Gohan have that makes him vs the Yardrat interesting? Yardrat can be super strong for all I care, but that makes his build up utterly stupid and counter productive. None the less for once this is where actually I'd say Goku makes more sense for this fight. He was with the yardrats, he learned Instant Transmission, so it'd actually be more interesting for him to fight the yardrat....which was glossed over completely in that gag scene from 103 I think it was. Would rather they finish their fight as they have something tying them together at least.

Nothing other than making gohan a doofus again,gohan vs lavender could have been a neat rematch instead being thrown out,this tournament have so many frustating decision like why the hell they put weakling against op character

[YonedgeHP]

That's just good story-telling.

We know for sure since Dragon Ball Z (and the original manga) that the Yardratians have interesting and useful techniques, not only that but this guy fought with Super Saiyan Goku and Cauliflo without any sort of damage, he also throw out Zircol from Universe 10, which is more than any character from Universe 3, 4 and 10 (except Obuni) did, and those guys were a little built in-universe.

One of the major failings of the pre-tournament was that it did very little in the way of establishing members from other universes which were going to threats in the future, thus it's really hard to tell which characters are fodder, or actually important. In the tournament I definitely agree with you that the Yadrat definitely could be threat, since his one of the few competitors from a universe besides 6 and 7 that has knocked someone off the stage(so thats a plus).

Don't get me wrong, I was talking in a general manner. I'm not really invested with these new characters at all (only some of them because of their designs or rather abilities). But because of the show being so unpredictable, we never know if a new character is going to be a serious threat or not. I definitely agree with you that more characters did need some build up in the pre-tournament arc, but it's not a reason to underestimate them.

[GTx10]

So... Where is Toriyama's rendition of Son Goku's newest form? God and Blue were drawn by him so where is my super skinny new form Goku drawing?

[The gr]

So... Where is Toriyama's rendition of Son Goku's newest form? God and Blue were drawn by him so where is my super skinny new form Goku drawing?

We could probably see that in this month v jump issue

[GTx10]

So... Where is Toriyama's rendition of Son Goku's newest form? God and Blue were drawn by him so where is my super skinny new form Goku drawing?

We could probably see that in this month v jump issue

I hope so. Maybe it is to soon but I find it odd that Toriyama hasn't said anything about the form or Super period. (In these last couple of months anyway) I expected Toriyama to comment with something like: "Yeah I let Toyotaro come up with Goku's new form because I was at a loss. Toyo draws good and the form is neat." This is just a example I made up but still something you know?

[perucho1990]

One of the major failings of the pre-tournament was that it did very little in the way of establishing members from other universes which were going to threats in the future, thus it's really hard to tell which characters are fodder, or actually important. In the tournament I definitely agree with you that the Yadrat definitely could be threat, since his one of the few competitors from a universe besides 6 and 7 that has knocked someone off the stage(so thats a plus).

Thats Toriyamas fault tbh, if his outline says that most Universes were going to be fodders, and used to hype U6 and U7.

[SansrivaaL]

Super tried pulling something waaaaay out of their league.
104 and 105 were the only eps that stood out for me, the only thing that probably has me interested now is the new form and Jiren (if he turns out being the worst main enemy DB has ever had)

[Chuquita]

I know it's my least favorite arc of Super so far. I actually might skip out on this arc's manga after the last book with the Zamasu arc chapters in it is published.

Why skip it,it could be fun pointing out the diference & such,plus is monthly so is not wasting that much time to your social activity & more good goku

This is true, that's why I talked about it like a maybe and not a certain thing I'll do. I'll see how it goes.

I know it's my least favorite arc of Super so far. I actually might skip out on this arc's manga after the last book with the Zamasu arc chapters in it is published.

The manga had a very different start so it could end up being better (it most likely will).

I really hope so.

[dbzfan7]

Super tried pulling something waaaaay out of their league.

Indeed. It's a commendable new direction, but really fails hard.

[Noah]

Why are people surprised Roshi is still in the tournament? The ending implies he'll be the 4th to last eliminated. He's going to outlast everyone but Freeza and Goku/Gohan.

Your kidding with us, right? I mean your argument is based on supposed theory that the opening/ending reveals the order of fighters that will be eliminated?

People are surprised that Roshi is still on the tournament caused they ruined what was supposed to be his elimination, by dying in the ring after outperforming against three U4 warriors, that would be heroic and good storytelling much for his speech to Karin and last words to his students, and now we see this ruined twice with him surviving Frost, an enemy worlds above him and using Mafuba for the second time.