Boo Machine wrote:
Sorry but no. It's not the same thing. Because you're under the assumption I'm using the same logic for every situation. You're example is an exaggerated scenario that hasn't happened. It doesn't exist. It's not the same thing because Roshi isn't beating someone who is Vegeta level. It's not a thing that 's happening and nothing like it is happening. It's just a "what if". There isn't a huge power level difference between the people Roshi is fighting. Roshi didn't fight Jiren and win, he fought Duck man and almost died. So no. Again. Your example is not anywhere close to anything that has happened. It doesn't work regardless of whatever you think I would do or whatever you think my logic is.
FIrst off We have no idea How strong ganzo is (I think that his name) or whatever that green goblin bird character was but we do know that it was significantly stronger then roshi because they stated that in the show, even in his base form ganzo was able to exchange blows with base form goku without being annihilated. Also my example implies that chaiotzu made some massive gains in power just like roshi did within super to the point where he could knock out vegeta that was purposely written incompetently for chaiotzu to win since the will of the writer who's wants a certain result.
Second off roshi was able to make massive power gains and be on par with or stronger then tien - a person who should be lightyears ahead of roshi by now. If we scale it powerwise it is the equivalent of tien reaching ultimate gohan level. It's a massive jump similar to my chaiotzu vs vegeta example unless you want to explain to me how roshi was not to far off from tien using some old official power level guidebook.
Boo Machine wrote:
Like I've told other people, you can't just take a fan drawing some dude drew and call it evidence. The artist can make you see whatever they want you to see. It's ridiculous and dishonest. (It's always the same artist to. The dude is funny but I swear it's like some of you worship this guy)
You haven't disproving this image message, tien was shown throughout dragonball and dragon ball z constantly trying to improve himself and surpassing roshi, while roshi eventually gave up to let the younger generation take over. sure you can say there is a bias and that artist cherry picking a few scenes but the general underline message is correct , roshi was shown doing nothing but being a pervert and molesting women , not even showing the slightest hint of wanting to improve himself . Explain to me how this image is wrong with details please.
Boo Machine wrote:
Secret training my friend. " But that's Bull shit!" I hear some people cry, and I've heard and acknowledged how cheap it is. But it's an explanation for it. Whether you or I like it or not is irrelevant. It's a thing that happened. A character trained and got stronger. What an amazing concept. Dragonball should do that more often. Yeah it was off screen, but shit happens off screen sometimes. Vegeta got Super Saiyan off screen and it was one of his biggest badass moments.
And Roshi didn't surpass anyone. In his own episode he used tricks and magic and skill and even had to surpass his own limits to win and then almost died doing it. What other character is having nearly as much trouble as him? Him still being in the ring doesn't make him stronger than those who are out.
See this is the logic I'm talking about , if chaiozu did some secret training and curb stomp vegeta , why is that wrong but when roshi does it it's acceptable. Chaiotzu posses tricks , magic/telekinesis if you watched og dragonball he's just as capable as roshi albeit a bit dumber since he can barely do basic math last time I checked . Yes vegeta got a power up off screen but the show went out of their way to show you how hard he was training before hand to achieve this, unlike with roshi who barely been on screen and before this has really show any fire in him to want to improve himself. This storytelling is not organic to dragonball you don't just randomly make a charcter jump in power levels with no foreshadowing whatsoever as it comes off as random, undeserved, and unrealistic to the series.
Boo Machine wrote:Have a good day at work!
aww thanks
