What's up with Tenshinhan this arc?

[HeroR]

It honestly feels like Tien was only included in this to fill the 10 man quota, because they didn't want to use Buu for some reason.

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

[Doctor.]

It honestly feels like Tien was only included in this to fill the 10 man quota, because they didn't want to use Buu for some reason.

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

He already did. He got his ass kicked by Kid Boo, who's equal to Boo arc SS3 Goku. I don't see why people think Mr. Boo is overpowered in a tournament setting if he can just be tossed out of bounds.

[supercat]

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

This. Exactly this! Well said HeroR. Seems you actually look at facts and statements and realize when a character has long been put in their place.

[Zamasu55]

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

He already did. He got his ass kicked by Kid Boo, who's equal to Boo arc SS3 Goku. I don't see why people think Mr. Boo is overpowered in a tournament setting if he can just be tossed out of bounds.

Kid Buu is the same as him, just far stronger.

Of all the people who've been thrown out, nobody would beat Buu, nobody.

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[supercat]

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

He already did. He got his ass kicked by Kid Boo, who's equal to Boo arc SS3 Goku. I don't see why people think Mr. Boo is overpowered in a tournament setting if he can just be tossed out of bounds.

Kid Buu is the same as him, just far stronger.

Of all the people who've been thrown out, nobody would beat Buu, nobody.

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Obuni would have wrecked him. He was able to keep up with a new-and-improved SSB-tier Ultimate Gohan for a bit. And Sanka Ku probably would have done the same. She wasn't one-shotted by an SSB-tier Android 17.

[Zamasu55]

He already did. He got his ass kicked by Kid Boo, who's equal to Boo arc SS3 Goku. I don't see why people think Mr. Boo is overpowered in a tournament setting if he can just be tossed out of bounds.

Kid Buu is the same as him, just far stronger.

Of all the people who've been thrown out, nobody would beat Buu, nobody.

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Obuni would have wrecked him. He was able to keep up with a new-and-improved SSB-tier Ultimate Gohan for a bit. And Sanka Ku probably would have done the same. She wasn't one-shotted by an SSB-tier Android 17.

Obuni? Seriosuly.
Goha was getting hit on purpose.

Kakunsa lasted 3 secs when 17 got serious.

[Majin Jator]

It honestly feels like Tien was only included in this to fill the 10 man quota, because they didn't want to use Buu for some reason.

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

This. A tournament where you can get ringed out is precisely the easiest scenario to use Buu, not to mention that he can be effortlessly defeated by the likes of Jiren, Toppo, or FemBroly.

[supercat]

Kid Buu is the same as him, just far stronger.

Of all the people who've been thrown out, nobody would beat Buu, nobody.

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Obuni would have wrecked him. He was able to keep up with a new-and-improved SSB-tier Ultimate Gohan for a bit. And Sanka Ku probably would have done the same. She wasn't one-shotted by an SSB-tier Android 17.

Obuni? Seriosuly.
Goha was getting hit on purpose.

Kakunsa lasted 3 secs when 17 got serious.

Gohan still showed signs of pain. He could have easily taken the hits, and smirked at how weak the attacks were, but that wasn't the case.

Plus if Obuni is Universe 10's strongest, he would have to be stronger than Buu. Universe 7 is the second weakest universe, so it wouldn't make any sense for Obuni, the top-tier of Universe 10 to be weaker than some low to mid-tier fighter in Universe 7.

Kakunsa was keeping up with a seemingly suppressed Android 17, but keep in mind a suppressed Android 17 was more than a match for a suppressed SSB Goku. Something Mr. Buu and even Buuhan could probably only dream of.

I don't understand all this Buu hype. The guy became irrelevant the minute Beerus showed up. Then we had so many other instances that clearly showed he's a thing of the past. All this Buu hype almost makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

[supercat]

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

This. A tournament where you can get ringed out is precisely the easiest scenario to use Buu, not to mention that he can be effortlessly defeated by the likes of Jiren, Toppo, or FemBroly.

Toppo, Jiren, and Kale are far out of Buu's league. There are so many others that would beat him without even trying.

Frost, Cabba, Caulifla, Obuni, Kakunsa, Dyspo, and basically all the other Pride Troopers.

[Doctor.]

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

He already did. He got his ass kicked by Kid Boo, who's equal to Boo arc SS3 Goku. I don't see why people think Mr. Boo is overpowered in a tournament setting if he can just be tossed out of bounds.

Kid Buu is the same as him, just far stronger.

Of all the people who've been thrown out, nobody would beat Buu, nobody.

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Well, yeah, everyone in this tournament is a fucking weakling. I'm saying if they actually bothered to give Boo an opponent, they could easily have him be defeated. He's not invincible when we know he's vulnerable to people much stronger than him (Kid Boo and Super Vegetto being proof of that), and even if you write him as invincible, you can still have him be thrown out of bounds because this is a tournament setting.

[Zamasu55]

They can't handle him, simply. He's too OP.

He really isn't, but this myth is never going to die until Buu get his ass kicked by someone other than Beerus, apparently.

This. A tournament where you can get ringed out is precisely the easiest scenario to use Buu, not to mention that he can be effortlessly defeated by the likes of Jiren, Toppo, or FemBroly.

You're saying this as if Buu didn't know the rules.

[Zamasu55]

Obuni would have wrecked him. He was able to keep up with a new-and-improved SSB-tier Ultimate Gohan for a bit. And Sanka Ku probably would have done the same. She wasn't one-shotted by an SSB-tier Android 17.

Obuni? Seriosuly.
Goha was getting hit on purpose.

Kakunsa lasted 3 secs when 17 got serious.

Gohan still showed signs of pain. He could have easily taken the hits, and smirked at how weak the attacks were, but that wasn't the case.

Plus if Obuni is Universe 10's strongest, he would have to be stronger than Buu. Universe 7 is the second weakest universe, so it wouldn't make any sense for Obuni, the top-tier of Universe 10 to be weaker than some low to mid-tier fighter in Universe 7.

Kakunsa was keeping up with a seemingly suppressed Android 17, but keep in mind a suppressed Android 17 was more than a match for a suppressed SSB Goku. Something Mr. Buu and even Buuhan could probably only dream of.

I don't understand all this Buu hype. The guy became irrelevant the minute Beerus showed up. Then we had so many other instances that clearly showed he's a thing of the past. All this Buu hype almost makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

1) Mate, it's Super. "Signs of pain" by the guy who needed to use Piccolo as a meatshield for someone weaker than Tienshinhan.
2) So what? Literally everyone from U4 got stomped by Roshi. And the other three (Nink, Shosa, Majora) are probably weaker than him, Nink aside maybe.
3) You're saying this as if SsjB means something in the anime. Everyone managed to survive it. Not saying 17's weaker than Buu of course.
4) It's not hype as I don't even like him, it's just a fact. Toei can't handle Majin Buu. End of. They couldn't handle him back in RoF, where he'd have one-shotted everyone but Freeza, they couldn't handle him in the Champa arc where he would probably have beaten everyone but Hit in a blink of an eye.

Toppo, Jiren, and Kale are far out of Buu's league. There are so many others that would beat him without even trying.

Frost, Cabba, Caulifla, Obuni, Kakunsa, Dyspo, and basically all the other Pride Troopers.

Dyspo and Ssj Berserker Kale would beat him, yes.
The others would get demolished. And the other Pride Troopers are all jobbers, they couldn't even handle Android 18.

[supercat]

Obuni? Seriosuly.
Goha was getting hit on purpose.

Kakunsa lasted 3 secs when 17 got serious.

Gohan still showed signs of pain. He could have easily taken the hits, and smirked at how weak the attacks were, but that wasn't the case.

Plus if Obuni is Universe 10's strongest, he would have to be stronger than Buu. Universe 7 is the second weakest universe, so it wouldn't make any sense for Obuni, the top-tier of Universe 10 to be weaker than some low to mid-tier fighter in Universe 7.

Kakunsa was keeping up with a seemingly suppressed Android 17, but keep in mind a suppressed Android 17 was more than a match for a suppressed SSB Goku. Something Mr. Buu and even Buuhan could probably only dream of.

I don't understand all this Buu hype. The guy became irrelevant the minute Beerus showed up. Then we had so many other instances that clearly showed he's a thing of the past. All this Buu hype almost makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

1) Mate, it's Super. "Signs of pain" by the guy who needed to use Piccolo as a meatshield for someone weaker than Tienshinhan.
2) So what? Literally everyone from U4 got stomped by Roshi. And the other three (Nink, Shosa, Majora) are probably weaker than him, Nink aside maybe.
3) You're saying this as if SsjB means something in the anime. Everyone managed to survive it. Not saying 17's weaker than Buu of course.
4) It's not hype as I don't even like him, it's just a fact. Toei can't handle Majin Buu. End of. They couldn't handle him back in RoF, where he'd have one-shotted everyone but Freeza, they couldn't handle him in the Champa arc where he would probably have beaten everyone but Hit in a blink of an eye.

Toppo, Jiren, and Kale are far out of Buu's league. There are so many others that would beat him without even trying.

Frost, Cabba, Caulifla, Obuni, Kakunsa, Dyspo, and basically all the other Pride Troopers.

Dyspo and Ssj Berserker Kale would beat him, yes.
The others would get demolished. And the other Pride Troopers are all jobbers, they couldn't even handle Android 18.

I already explained my stance on Kakunsa and Obuni in an earlier post. But to recap:

Gohan's expressions still implied that Obuni's hits were somewhat damaging. Otherwise, he would have smirked it off or shown that he wasn't fazed at all. Super Buu wasn't even able to damage Ultimate Gohan from the Buu saga, so there's no chance he could make this new-and-improved SSB-tier Ultimate Gohan wince.

Obuni is also top-tier in Universe 10, so it'd be silly for him to be weaker than Buu, some low to mid-tier fighters from Universe 7.

Also explained Kakunsa, but I guess you don't really go off of feats or facts. Keeping up with a suppressed Android 17 who was more than capable of giving a suppressed SSB Goku is a far better feat than what Slim Buu (a new-and-improved Buu) was capable of against Base Goku.

Actually, that Pride Trooper that Android 17 faced seemed he would have destroyed Android 18. This is implied by her barely dodging his ki blade, and by Android 17 nodding at her, which presumably meant he wanted her to leave it to him. So no, the Pride Troopers are not weaklings, they just seemed weak against powerful SSB-tier fighters like Android 17 and Kale. Caulifla, who probably isn't much lower than ritual form Goku, is no pushover herself, so losing to these characters doesn't indicate how weak they are. Buu would probably fail even harder against them.

Like I said, this Buu hype makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

[JazzMazz]

Obuni? Seriosuly.
Goha was getting hit on purpose.

Kakunsa lasted 3 secs when 17 got serious.

Gohan still showed signs of pain. He could have easily taken the hits, and smirked at how weak the attacks were, but that wasn't the case.

Plus if Obuni is Universe 10's strongest, he would have to be stronger than Buu. Universe 7 is the second weakest universe, so it wouldn't make any sense for Obuni, the top-tier of Universe 10 to be weaker than some low to mid-tier fighter in Universe 7.

Kakunsa was keeping up with a seemingly suppressed Android 17, but keep in mind a suppressed Android 17 was more than a match for a suppressed SSB Goku. Something Mr. Buu and even Buuhan could probably only dream of.

I don't understand all this Buu hype. The guy became irrelevant the minute Beerus showed up. Then we had so many other instances that clearly showed he's a thing of the past. All this Buu hype almost makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

1) Mate, it's Super. "Signs of pain" by the guy who needed to use Piccolo as a meatshield for someone weaker than Tienshinhan.
2) So what? Literally everyone from U4 got stomped by Roshi. And the other three (Nink, Shosa, Majora) are probably weaker than him, Nink aside maybe.
3) You're saying this as if SsjB means something in the anime. Everyone managed to survive it. Not saying 17's weaker than Buu of course.
4) It's not hype as I don't even like him, it's just a fact. Toei can't handle Majin Buu. End of. They couldn't handle him back in RoF, where he'd have one-shotted everyone but Freeza, they couldn't handle him in the Champa arc where he would probably have beaten everyone but Hit in a blink of an eye.

Toppo, Jiren, and Kale are far out of Buu's league. There are so many others that would beat him without even trying.

Frost, Cabba, Caulifla, Obuni, Kakunsa, Dyspo, and basically all the other Pride Troopers.

Dyspo and Ssj Berserker Kale would beat him, yes.
The others would get demolished. And the other Pride Troopers are all jobbers, they couldn't even handle Android 18.

Everyone mentioned above was at least some sort of match for a Super Saiyan character(except the pride-troopers, who mainly suck), that pretty much instantly puts them above Buu.

[Zamasu55]

Gohan still showed signs of pain. He could have easily taken the hits, and smirked at how weak the attacks were, but that wasn't the case.

Plus if Obuni is Universe 10's strongest, he would have to be stronger than Buu. Universe 7 is the second weakest universe, so it wouldn't make any sense for Obuni, the top-tier of Universe 10 to be weaker than some low to mid-tier fighter in Universe 7.

Kakunsa was keeping up with a seemingly suppressed Android 17, but keep in mind a suppressed Android 17 was more than a match for a suppressed SSB Goku. Something Mr. Buu and even Buuhan could probably only dream of.

I don't understand all this Buu hype. The guy became irrelevant the minute Beerus showed up. Then we had so many other instances that clearly showed he's a thing of the past. All this Buu hype almost makes the Broly hype seem like humble modesty.

1) Mate, it's Super. "Signs of pain" by the guy who needed to use Piccolo as a meatshield for someone weaker than Tienshinhan.
2) So what? Literally everyone from U4 got stomped by Roshi. And the other three (Nink, Shosa, Majora) are probably weaker than him, Nink aside maybe.
3) You're saying this as if SsjB means something in the anime. Everyone managed to survive it. Not saying 17's weaker than Buu of course.
4) It's not hype as I don't even like him, it's just a fact. Toei can't handle Majin Buu. End of. They couldn't handle him back in RoF, where he'd have one-shotted everyone but Freeza, they couldn't handle him in the Champa arc where he would probably have beaten everyone but Hit in a blink of an eye.

Toppo, Jiren, and Kale are far out of Buu's league. There are so many others that would beat him without even trying.

Frost, Cabba, Caulifla, Obuni, Kakunsa, Dyspo, and basically all the other Pride Troopers.

Dyspo and Ssj Berserker Kale would beat him, yes.
The others would get demolished. And the other Pride Troopers are all jobbers, they couldn't even handle Android 18.

Everyone mentioned above was at least some sort of match for a Super Saiyan character(except the pride-troopers, who mainly suck), that pretty much instantly puts them above Buu.

Care to explain why?

[JazzMazz]

1) Mate, it's Super. "Signs of pain" by the guy who needed to use Piccolo as a meatshield for someone weaker than Tienshinhan.
2) So what? Literally everyone from U4 got stomped by Roshi. And the other three (Nink, Shosa, Majora) are probably weaker than him, Nink aside maybe.
3) You're saying this as if SsjB means something in the anime. Everyone managed to survive it. Not saying 17's weaker than Buu of course.
4) It's not hype as I don't even like him, it's just a fact. Toei can't handle Majin Buu. End of. They couldn't handle him back in RoF, where he'd have one-shotted everyone but Freeza, they couldn't handle him in the Champa arc where he would probably have beaten everyone but Hit in a blink of an eye.



Dyspo and Ssj Berserker Kale would beat him, yes.
The others would get demolished. And the other Pride Troopers are all jobbers, they couldn't even handle Android 18.

Everyone mentioned above was at least some sort of match for a Super Saiyan character(except the pride-troopers, who mainly suck), that pretty much instantly puts them above Buu.

Care to explain why?

It's pretty obvious.

Caulifla is comparable to an SS2 Goku, which could give a significantly more powerful ultimate Gohan a hard time. Thats a pretty obvious indicator of strength.

You could probably make some arguments against why Frost wouldn't be able to, he got instantly owned by a regular Super Saiyan.

Kakunsa is another weird case, though she was weaker than a serious 17, she was still able to match up decently and was only over-powered by 17's light projection technique.

We don't exactly know how powerful Cabba is, but if his able to match up decently against Super Saiyans, who are stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Buu arc based on how they were able to give Beerus a decent fight.

Also, Obuni is the most obvious example for someone stronger than Buu, as he actually made Ultimate Gohan take real damage and took off a considerable bit of stamina during their fight(Gohan was panting), Ultimate Gohan was stronger than he was back when he was dominating Super Buu, so it's not hard to believe Obuni is stronger than Fat Buu.

[gohan_black]

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HOW DARE I MAKE A SHORT COMMENT. I'm THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL IN THE WORLD

[TBMx]

Would have been smarter to leave Tien at home and bring a Namekian healer instead.

[TekTheNinja]

Would have been smarter to leave Tien at home and bring a Namekian healer instead.

Would have been smarter to write Tien with some god damn dignity.

[JazzHands]

THIS IS HIS BIG MOMENT? COME ON!!

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HOW DARE I MAKE A SHORT COMMENT. I'm THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL IN THE WORLD

I'm new here and do not want to get in trouble. I do not see how this is a negative? Or should even moderated to a point of threatening someone. Does it cost the site money or server space every time someone comments? Is there a limit? How much substance can their be talking about a children's cartoon in which the Author does not think hard about back story or logic. Same goes for the company. These writers are not Harvard scale we can agree on that.