"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Couldn't find the actual source but heres what was on reddit. it specifically says Blue and makes it sound like he's teaching them. These are the previews i'm talking about, now I originally asked, are the spoilers that we're looking at now different from these types of spoilers? I don't know which ones to take seriously guys thats pretty much all I want to know.

Yeah, but the summery never said Goku was teaching her Blue. Only that she was engrossed in Super Saiyan training and she asked about going Blue. You guys jumped to conclusion yourselves there.

Alright, so lets I agree with you. How does that go against what I originally said

But these spoilers have been misleading before though right?

That summary is misleading. You can say people jumped to conclusions but the preview words it in a way that anyone could come to the easy conclusion that he was teaching her blue and I asked why if these summaries have been misleading or focused on minor things that didn't matter, are being taking so seriously.

Also MY main gripe with the preview wasn't that it implied Goku was teaching them Blue, but the fact that he was teaching or training them at all because it sounded crazy.

Now can someone answer my question please?
Why are we taking these previews so seriously?
Are they more credible?

But those summaries weren't misleading. Misleading would be a summery talking about Krillin being DQ or Dypso using 'Light Bullets'. And Goku teaching people in the middle tournament is very in-character for him.

[dbzfan7]

You're the one making up rules. [...] At least I have official material that says something instead of theory crafting and no other example to point towards.

Not to mention the attack literally needing to be apparently made by someone who is pure of heart.

But hey at least I have something from the story that tells us something, while you come up and make excuses instead of giving me one instance in any medium where the Genki Dama works as you have suggested it.

Thats funny because had you actually checked that official material (i.e. the manga) you'd know there's no such thing stated there. I'm pretty sure you took that from movie 7 and that, obviously, doesn't count as evidence so, if you made that simple mistake of mixing up references from different mediums, why should I think you know what you're talking about overall? By the way, talk about getting triggered

Still have yet to see even one example from you. Even so I took from the manga not from movie 7. That's 1 to 0 still. Something where they actually say something over "It totally works on everyone because I say so, even though it's never happened before." But sure, keep showing your supposed maturity you seem to suggest you have.

Yeah, I'd rather not go by that "something" that points you to something that doesn't exist, thanks.

Oh, sorry, should I have said that was my opinion? Because I interpret that scene of the Genkidama going straight at Vegeeta as plot convenience, I don't see Gohan aiming at him anywhere. What I see is Goku telling his son how to not get hit by the ki ball that's right about to.

Of course no one "pure of heart" (seriously, what's up with the obsession for this term?) got harmed by it, that's not what the story wanted to tell. If the only three/four times it got used was against villains/block then that's what we work with. How this proves it can't hurt anyone else is beyond me.



That image is interesting because that's exactly what the manga says (well, swap "any evil" for "evil ki"). Unless I'm mistaken "should be able to" means "is expected to" and not a sure thing, right? Because that's just Goku talking out of his ass (funnily enough, it's the same scene Goku realizes he knows telepathy ). Sure, it's plot relevant and we see it works, I'm not denying that, but there's no proof it's because of what Goku said. In fact, Boo proves that's not the case. Sure, he didn't bounce it back but he stood his own all the same and you can't get more evil ki than him (by the lore of that time).

Something that doesn't exist? Apparently the manga saying something isn't enough. But convenient of ya to say plot convince when it best suits you, when we're told exactly by Goku what Gohan should do. It's locked on to Vegeta's evil ki, which they say, and Gohan bounced it back to him. But man I suppose Gohan should really have just died.

It shows you have literally no examples to pull from beyond your own theories and ideas. No lines, no evidence, no nothing.

Wow you're still clinging onto that Boo thing that means absolutely nothing? He's powerful enough to push it back because he is strong enough. It has nothing to do with being pure or anything. You keep throwing out this random example like it means something. You're treating the Genki Dama like some I win button that immediately explodes or destroys someone on contact. Which it didn't for Freeza either as it slowly crushed him before exploding. Boo showed us only ONE THING. Raw strength can push back against an overwhelming Genki Dama if you're evil. Which is what he used. But you can keep saying Goku's talking out of his ass being the main character and the story telling us so, what does it know anyways?

But that's the problem, you keep talking about "pure of heart" but it's said nowhere in the manga. Not having evil ki just means you're a good guy (i.e. not a villain), any good guy will do. And they aren't immune to its collateral damage anyway, so...

Sorry but I'm done here, this became off-topic and I won't respond to it anymore, we'll just see what Super does.

That literally suggests that anyone is pure good, which it is not the case. You can be good, but not pure as shown with numerous examples in the series. Not to mention other material which is funny it doesn't count when things like the anime are written by other people.

And that's the one thing I agree with you on.

[Lord Beerus]

The pessimistic part of me is telling me that Frost using the Mafuba against Vegeta sound way too awesome of an idea of revenge for how Vegeta defeated him the Champa arc for Super to pull off without fumbling it. I hope that pessimistic part of me is wrong in the end.

[Shaqazooloo]

But those summaries weren't misleading. Misleading would be a summery talking about Krillin being DQ or Dypso using 'Light Bullets'. And Goku teaching people in the middle tournament is very in-character for him.

Wait, so are you agreeing with me saying that these previews can be misleading and your just taking issue with the examples that I used?
If so, i'm willing to admit defeat on that debate because I don't care to much about proving that episodes preview was misleading. All I really want to know is why we're taking the most recent ones seriously?

Also, I would've used the preview for episode 104, but I haven't watched it so I decided not to bring it up.

[HeroR]

But those summaries weren't misleading. Misleading would be a summery talking about Krillin being DQ or Dypso using 'Light Bullets'. And Goku teaching people in the middle tournament is very in-character for him.

Wait, so are you agreeing with me saying that these previews can be misleading and your just taking issue with the examples that I used?
If so, i'm willing to admit defeat on that debate because I don't care to much about proving that episodes preview was misleading. All I really want to know is why we're taking the most recent ones seriously?

Also, I would've used the preview for episode 104, but I haven't watched it so I decided not to bring it up.

My only point was that the Cali one for 100 wasn't misleading. Especially compared to summaries that outright lies.

Could these summaries be misleading or even just wrong, yes. But I don't think Vegeta being sealed is one of them.

[Zamasu55]

The pessimistic part of me is telling me that Frost using the Mafuba against Vegeta sound way too awesome of an idea of revenge for how Vegeta defeated him the Champa arc for Super to pull off without fumbling it. I hope that pessimistic part of me is wrong in the end.

I would've said the same if Toei didn't already spoiler that everyone's fine till ep.109, and that only four contestants (one of them's probably Maji-Kayo) will get eliminated.

[JazzMazz]

Here's the confirmed staff list for the special.

Episode 109: TV Special Part 1
Scenario: Hiroshi Yamaguchi (山口　宏)
Animation Supervisors: Tsutomu Ono (大野　勉) & Shuichiro Manabe (眞部周一郎)
Director: Kazuya Karasawa (唐澤和也)

Episode 110: TV Special Part 2
Scenario: Atsuhiro Tomioka (冨岡淳広)
Animation Supervisors: Yoichi Onishi (大西陽一) & Naoki Tate (舘　直樹)
Director: Masato Mitsuka (三塚雅人)



Note: Ajay made a legit mistake. The last kanji of Kazuya Karasawa's name (也) is identical to the last one of Nagamine's name (也). I believe he just saw that and got really excited.

Though series director Nagamine, isn't working on the special, apparently one of Supers better SB's and directors are working on Super.

The staff list looks like they're using their best staff, really looking forward to Naoki Tate's part in episode 110.

[Zamasu55]

So, Freeza defeats Jimizu quite easily. Since the Yardratian is giving Gohan (maybe Ultimate?) a tough fight, this makes me think that Gohan's nowhere near him and the god tier characters. We'll see.characters

[alakazam^]

Now can someone answer my question please?
Why are we taking these previews so seriously?
Are they more credible?

They're always taken seriously to some degree, depends on what each summary says.

[dbzfan7]

Here's the confirmed staff list for the special.

Episode 109: TV Special Part 1
Scenario: Hiroshi Yamaguchi (山口　宏)
Animation Supervisors: Tsutomu Ono (大野　勉) & Shuichiro Manabe (眞部周一郎)
Director: Kazuya Karasawa (唐澤和也)

Episode 110: TV Special Part 2
Scenario: Atsuhiro Tomioka (冨岡淳広)
Animation Supervisors: Yoichi Onishi (大西陽一) & Naoki Tate (舘　直樹)
Director: Masato Mitsuka (三塚雅人)



Note: Ajay made a legit mistake. The last kanji of Kazuya Karasawa's name (也) is identical to the last one of Nagamine's name (也). I believe he just saw that and got really excited.

Though series director Nagamine, isn't working on the special, apparently one of Supers better SB's and directors are working on Super.

The staff list looks like they're using their best staff, really looking forward to Naoki Tate's part in episode 110.

Nice a Tate episode in 110. I have a feeling 109 may end with the transformation, and 110 starts the fighting with said form. Basically the namek stuff again.

[Dbzfan94]

I liked the first ending, but imho nothing compares to the ending to OG Dragon Ball.

Sorry, but I think nothing compares to Hitorijanaí, the best ending song this franchise ever had.

i ADORE that ending. Prolly a close #2 for me.

[HeroR]

I liked the first ending, but imho nothing compares to the ending to OG Dragon Ball.

Sorry, but I think nothing compares to Hitorijanaí, the best ending song this franchise ever had.

i ADORE that ending. Prolly a close #2 for me.

I honestly don't remember the ending music from GT except Don't You See.

Personally, We Were Angels is the best. I also like Super's endings 1 and 2 along with Boogyback.

[Dbzfan94]

Personally, We Were Angels is the best. I also like Super's endings 1 and 2 along with Boogyback.

I didn't like Boogyback at all. I know it was the same feeling of I'll Give You Romance but just wasn't a fan of it.

[TheDipDap1234]

I remember when spoilers for episode 103 said that Goku will have a tough fight with Jimeze, but he actually didn't fight with Jimeze at all, he fought with Rozie. They also said that Ribrianne's fight with 17 will get interrupted by Universe 10's Jilcol, but that did not happen. Since then I don't really trust everything these spoilers say.

[BlueBasilisk]

I remember when spoilers for episode 103 said that Goku will have a tough fight with Jimeze, but he actually didn't fight with Jimeze at all, he fought with Rozie. They also said that Ribrianne's fight with 17 will get interrupted by Universe 10's Jilcol, but that did not happen. Since then I don't really trust everything these spoilers say.

I was wondering about that. I knew I remembered reading somewhere that Goku was going to fight Jimeze again but he never did.

[CJStriker_CBR]

I remember when spoilers for episode 103 said that Goku will have a tough fight with Jimeze, but he actually didn't fight with Jimeze at all, he fought with Rozie. They also said that Ribrianne's fight with 17 will get interrupted by Universe 10's Jilcol, but that did not happen. Since then I don't really trust everything these spoilers say.

I was wondering about that. I knew I remembered reading somewhere that Goku was going to fight Jimeze again but he never did.

Don't forget the one before the ToP when it was said we have Frieza Right Away Leaving Unvierse 7 and Joining another Universe and we would have a Mystery Fighter at the ToP joining Univere 7 and many thought it was Yamcha!

Yea, I remember that and how it was Very Hyped even my Me but it was for Nothing and none of that happen.

Also I remember those that involved Jimeze and Goku fighting and many where waiting and all was got was like 20 seconds of fighting and that was in Episode 100 and Ribrianne never got interrupted by anyone she only stopped to Help Rozie when she got hurt by Goku.

Also that Factor that Many thought The Kamikaze Fireballs would do a 3-Way Fusion and SO many Videos about that for Episodes 102-103!?

Honestly Yea this Series I filled with the Wreckage of misleading spoilers and I am sure we will continue to get them in times to come.

I take ALL spoilers with Grains and Grains of Salt, we will have to see what happens WHEN it happens, all we have are Spoilers and Theories right now and some of those spoilers CAN Be Red Herrings!

[BlueBasilisk]

I remember when spoilers for episode 103 said that Goku will have a tough fight with Jimeze, but he actually didn't fight with Jimeze at all, he fought with Rozie. They also said that Ribrianne's fight with 17 will get interrupted by Universe 10's Jilcol, but that did not happen. Since then I don't really trust everything these spoilers say.

I was wondering about that. I knew I remembered reading somewhere that Goku was going to fight Jimeze again but he never did.

Don't forget the one before the ToP when it was said we have Frieza Right Away Leaving Unvierse 7 and Joining another Universe and we would have a Mystery Fighter at the ToP joining Univere 7 and many thought it was Yamcha!

Yea, I remember that and how it was Very Hyped even my Me but it was for Nothing and none of that happen.

Also I remember those that involved Jimeze and Goku fighting and many where waiting and all was got was like 20 seconds of fighting and that was in Episode 100 and Ribrianne never got interrupted by anyone she only stopped to Help Rozie when she got hurt by Goku.

Also that Factor that Many thought The Kamikaze Fireballs would do a 3-Way Fusion and SO many Videos about that for Episodes 102-103!?

Honestly Yea this Series I filled with the Wreckage of misleading spoilers and I am sure we will continue to get them in times to come.

I take ALL spoilers with Grains and Grains of Salt, we will have to see what happens WHEN it happens, all we have are Spoilers and Theories right now and some of those spoilers CAN Be Red Herrings!

The one about Frieza leaving Universe 7 and the mystery fighter was a fake from 2chan.

[CJStriker_CBR]

I was wondering about that. I knew I remembered reading somewhere that Goku was going to fight Jimeze again but he never did.

Don't forget the one before the ToP when it was said we have Frieza Right Away Leaving Unvierse 7 and Joining another Universe and we would have a Mystery Fighter at the ToP joining Univere 7 and many thought it was Yamcha!

Yea, I remember that and how it was Very Hyped even my Me but it was for Nothing and none of that happen.

Also I remember those that involved Jimeze and Goku fighting and many where waiting and all was got was like 20 seconds of fighting and that was in Episode 100 and Ribrianne never got interrupted by anyone she only stopped to Help Rozie when she got hurt by Goku.

Also that Factor that Many thought The Kamikaze Fireballs would do a 3-Way Fusion and SO many Videos about that for Episodes 102-103!?

Honestly Yea this Series I filled with the Wreckage of misleading spoilers and I am sure we will continue to get them in times to come.

I take ALL spoilers with Grains and Grains of Salt, we will have to see what happens WHEN it happens, all we have are Spoilers and Theories right now and some of those spoilers CAN Be Red Herrings!

The one about Frieza leaving Universe 7 and the mystery fighter was a fake from 2chan.

Yea Worst Then I Remember, Can't believe that got hype!

[Noah]

But that's the problem, you keep talking about "pure of heart" but it's said nowhere in the manga. Not having evil ki just means you're a good guy (i.e. not a villain), any good guy will do. And they aren't immune to its collateral damage anyway, so...

It's funny cause you keep saying things that were absent in the manga as if Super (anime) followed faithfully the original serialization and we all know it doesn't. So I don't think bringing up movies or filler scenes as arguments are invalid at all, isn't that the same series that introduced us a female Broly counterpart? So Goku absorbing the Spirit Bomb or Frost using the Fifth Form wouldn't be something out of this world, for God's sake.

Or, he remains stuck in the bottle after it gets lost.

Maybe that's how they win the tournament, Vegeta remaining in the bottle without anyone knowing about him as the last fighter. It would be a stupid way of winning but a win none the less.

Personally, I would find that hilarious and it's very Toriyama.

I'm third to that

Though I think it would be difficult to imagine the bottle surviving the constant exchange of energy blasts in this tournament.

I ADORE that ending. Prolly a close #2 for me.

I honestly don't remember the ending music from GT except Don't You See. Personally, We Were Angels is the best. I also like Super's endings 1 and 2 along with Boogyback.

By all the matters I think GT had exceptional music, although I think Hitorijanaí is the best, Blue Velvet and Sabitsuita Machine Gun de Ima O Uchi Nukou comes really close.

Though, the worst thing about this tournament as a whole is: Gohan isn't in Great Saiyaman Gear. I really hoped the Great Saiyaman two parter was foreshadowing for him embracing that persona for the tournament...

And maybe interacting with Toppo with all their 'justice' babbling and so, but thinking again, would Great Saiyaman fit in this survival tournament? I don't think he's up to the mood.

[Chuquita]

Vegeta at least looked cool in the Oda segment. I would've liked a whole short, but the segment was fine. Also more Whis and Goku time traveling together shenanigans has been a delight.