Animelover5487 wrote:LowRyder2005 wrote:It might be better if you added a "spoiler" tag, to avoid adding unnecessary weight to the page.
At a glance, I think I can more or less understand the reasoning behind most of your placements for the main cast. I'd still have Piccolo stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan and at least be comparable to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Both Super Saiyan Gohan and Piccolo should be above base Goku even before Gohan trains. Goku opting to transform to confront his son ought to take precedence over a mock fight.
Then again, I guess this could create some hiccups with your Freeza's placement and it's not really like writer's intent is reasonably clear-cut as usual.
Piccolo is comparable to Pre-Trained SSJ2 Gohan. Goku vs Gohan in the breather episode was a mock fight and an outlier. Piccolo should still be weaker than Frost, who was much weaker than SSJ Goku before he got over ten times stronger.
After the training there's no conclusive evidence to deduce Gohan got leaps and bounds above his previous Ultimate state; assuming he did (mostly because of the implications of the narrator and the fact he landed a punch against a Goku), we don't know if the same would apply to his his non-Ultimate forms. Leaving aside the fact that Gohan only trains and meditates for one night, so his training shouldn't obviously be assumed to yield gains superior to Goku/ Vegeta training with Whis right off the bat.
Other than that, I'm afraid your logic doesn't really make much sense: if there's an outlier, it makes more sense to think Piccolo would have some reserve about hurting Goku. That's the
mock fight: they establish beforehand they should avoid hurting each other, and they are testing their tactics and simulating how they would fight in the tournament. Goku has no discernible reason to power up to Super Saiyan if a suppressed base form can do the job of keeping up with Gohan when they're sparring; there's
barely enough room to make an argument he's heavily suppressing his Super Saiyan, actually, given how "carried away" the two get.
Thirdly, there's no conclusive evidence Goku got "over ten times stronger" either. Hit makes a point about avoiding to use the same technique he used against Goku in the tournament because he thinks he figured out the trick; hence, Goku breaking out of Hit's time dimension can't really be scaled because there's no statement they're really the same technique.
I still think Piccolo and Frost are relative to each other and that they're both around SS2 Gohan; Frost also trained, though, so given that there's the variable that both increased their power by an unknown amount there's no way real way to compare them to the SS Goku seen at the tournament.
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