"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Yeah it doesn't look like there's going to be any Zen Exhibition which will mean the recruitment of the Team will begin in the next chapter and probably the Tournament itself in the one after that in November.

So the manga might catch up a by a few months.

In a few months, the arc will already be over in the anime. There's no way they're having Jiren vs Goku so soon otherwise.

This saga began in February in the anime and August in the manga, so it was six months behind that point.

If the manga can actually start the Tournament in the November issue then as the anime started the Tournament in July then the manga would have closed the gap down by a couple months so it would only been four months behind.

It'd catch up a little bit.

[TheMikado]

I dont see why its neccessary though. A formal meeting would do the same thing. Just like the Zamasu fight, the Pikkon/Cell Frieza fights, and various other fights have been added to the anime to make it more exciting and battle heavy, the same could be happening again. The outline could have just stated that all universes meet with Omniking to discuss and announce the tournament. It's possible Toei added the exhibition match as a way to add more fight scenes. Not saying its a bad choice, but there's little to say one way or the other if its in the outline yet.

I think is necessary, Because is building up goku new rival, jiren the gray, but due of the manga skipping the sparring match between zamas and goku,it the preliminary​ won't appear,IMO it needs to happen, because​ i need a legit reason why the pride troopers and the other universe hates Goku, and not because they get triggered by watching a clip of Zeno and goku

I guess what I'm saying is that Jiren his rival isn't even there. There's not really a shadowy mysterious figure there like we thought there would be.
In terms of what it added to the plot specifically, the exhibition isn't necessary to move the story forward from what we have seen so far. It isn't a question of if its better or not, but can they logically continue the story without an exhibition match actually happening and its a yes. So the only question that remains is will it appear in the manga. If not, its obvious it was never necessary to the story.

If there is in fact no exhibition match then I called this way back in April! It's funny because I can almost predict beat for beat what Toriyama wrote into the story and what he probably didn't. It's so obvious it's painful, things that do not seem to more the story forward are pretty obvious and this was one of them. Anyway the point is that the elements that make a good consistent story and plot relevance can be measured whether it's a child's book, a movie, or a Shakespearean play. I've said it before and I say it again I prefer the manga due to the literary content vs the anime. I could tell from immediately watching it he anime that the exhibition match had no value to the overall story and plot long before we even got to this point.

[Pannaliciour]

I think is necessary, Because is building up goku new rival, jiren the gray, but due of the manga skipping the sparring match between zamas and goku,it the preliminary​ won't appear,IMO it needs to happen, because​ i need a legit reason why the pride troopers and the other universe hates Goku, and not because they get triggered by watching a clip of Zeno and goku

I guess what I'm saying is that Jiren his rival isn't even there. There's not really a shadowy mysterious figure there like we thought there would be.
In terms of what it added to the plot specifically, the exhibition isn't necessary to move the story forward from what we have seen so far. It isn't a question of if its better or not, but can they logically continue the story without an exhibition match actually happening and its a yes. So the only question that remains is will it appear in the manga. If not, its obvious it was never necessary to the story.

If there is in fact no exhibition match then I called this way back in April! It's funny because I can almost predict beat for beat what Toriyama wrote into the story and what he probably didn't. It's so obvious it's painful, things that do not seem to more the story forward are pretty obvious and this was one of them. Anyway the point is that the elements that make a good consistent story and plot relevance can be measured whether it's a child's book, a movie, or a Shakespearean play. I've said it before and I say it again I prefer the manga due to the literary content vs the anime. I could tell from immediately watching it he anime that the exhibition match had no value to the overall story and plot long before we even got to this point.

And this "god fight" is necesarry to move the story forward?????

[Totamo]

Who told you guys that Super is canon?

Canon is subjective, we have been over this.

Personal canon indeed is, but official canon is not.

"Let's introduce eleven new ultra powerful characters and make them look like fools in front of this guy introduced at the beginning of the series who our main characters are catching up to."

allegedly.

Well, it looks the battle between the Gods is not done in this chapter, right? So maybe we can see some Beerus ass kicked by the other Gods next? Shit, I hope.

There is no such thing as official canon. first of all the word canon itself, basically means official so you are being redundant.


Second, even then. For years we have argued what really counts and what doesn't and not many actually agree. You may say its the 42 volume manga but then what do you tell people who only watch the original 291 anime and have not read the entire manga? Sorry, if you want the real story, read the manga because they won't do it. The west don't read no where near as much as Japan. One piece will tell you that beautiful story.


I mean come on, some people don't even count the buu saga as a part of Z, that's the fandom we are dealing with here so good luck policing that.


Honestly, everytime you say super isn't canon, i feel like you trying to convince yourself that, not us. Otherwise, you wouldn't say it so often.

[LightBing]

Toppo and Goku are there. I still expect they have their exhibition fight, that seemed very relevant to set up the dynamic of the tournament.

Hopefully the manga goes the route that Goku and therefore his whole Universe are targets and actually develops this plot point during the tournament.

I wonder if Toyotarõ will show us glimpses of the other Universes/character before the tournament.

[TheMikado]

I guess what I'm saying is that Jiren his rival isn't even there. There's not really a shadowy mysterious figure there like we thought there would be.
In terms of what it added to the plot specifically, the exhibition isn't necessary to move the story forward from what we have seen so far. It isn't a question of if its better or not, but can they logically continue the story without an exhibition match actually happening and its a yes. So the only question that remains is will it appear in the manga. If not, its obvious it was never necessary to the story.

If there is in fact no exhibition match then I called this way back in April! It's funny because I can almost predict beat for beat what Toriyama wrote into the story and what he probably didn't. It's so obvious it's painful, things that do not seem to more the story forward are pretty obvious and this was one of them. Anyway the point is that the elements that make a good consistent story and plot relevance can be measured whether it's a child's book, a movie, or a Shakespearean play. I've said it before and I say it again I prefer the manga due to the literary content vs the anime. I could tell from immediately watching it he anime that the exhibition match had no value to the overall story and plot long before we even got to this point.

And this "god fight" is necesarry to move the story forward?????

Ummmmm that was never the point of what I said....geez

[Noah]

There is no such thing as official canon. First of all the word canon itself, basically means official so you are being redundant.

Second, even then. For years we have argued what really counts and what doesn't and not many actually agree. You may say its the 42 volume manga but then what do you tell people who only watch the original 291 anime and have not read the entire manga? Sorry, if you want the real story, read the manga because they won't do it. The west don't read no where near as much as Japan. One Piece will tell you that beautiful story.

I mean come on, some people don't even count the Buu saga as a part of Z, that's the fandom we are dealing with here so good luck policing that.

Honestly, everytime you say super isn't canon, i feel like you trying to convince yourself that, not us. Otherwise, you wouldn't say it so often.

No, I'm not. You may not be familiarized with the word, but it's also used by the Star Wars fan base to differentiate side stuff from the Expanded Universe e.g

You're half right, there's no official stated canon, but you see Dragon Ball came off as a manga that was adapted in two animated series, had nineteen movies and two TV specials, by anything what it should be considered the only and one official canon is the material used to these adaptations, the original work, the 42 volumes of the manga by Toriyama Akira and not anything else.

You're making the common mistake of thinking that filler is something factually bad. Did I ever said that people are forced to read the manga, just because it's the story in its purest form and overall DB/Z anime is full of filler and disposable stuff? No. I Actually enjoy a lot of added scenes that were not present in the manga, like Gohan training in the Saiyan arc e.g

So people can watch the anime adaptations just fine, my point is that even though I may enjoy fillers, animated sequels (GT and Super), I realize they're not part of the main story, which it also doesn't mean they're bad.

[Miracles]

You have not seen the full fight and do not know if it is even fully contained in this chapter. Wait for context, damnit.

Momma, there goes that man again.

[HeroR]

When Black went Rose in the anime, he said "how do you like the color, isn't it human". Nothing about divine ki being within him when his line is similar to Golden Freeza.

Nothing about choosing the color as well. Freeza implied he did but Black didn't, he just "asked" a question.

I didn't say there was any line in the anime explaining the hair color (even implicitly), I said it was a logical conclusion to make, which the manga confirmed. Even so, what the manga offered was an hypothesis, which we, being out-of-universe, can take as the actual answer.

The manga only confirmed something for itself, not the anime, which is my point. And he wouldn't asked if he didn't chose it or at least implied it to be the case.

[Basako]

So how is this piece of garbage in form of manga doing? Any more leaks?

[Duo]

So how is this piece of garbage in form of manga doing? Any more leaks?

About as well as this piece of garbage post. It'd be excellent if you could stay out of this thread unless you have some sort of meaningful thoughts/criticism to offer.

[Basako]

So how is this piece of garbage in form of manga doing? Any more leaks?

About as well as this piece of garbage post. It'd be excellent if you could stay out of this thread unless you have some sort of meaningful thoughts/criticism to offer.

My god, it sucks so bad. Twelve Hakaishins fighting each other, how dare he write something as boring as that. Man, and the poses, can't he ever draw anything original. Not even one original technique, they are just flying and jumping around. Beerus is stronger than the rest, horrible. It's shit.

[DainIronfoot]

I'll wait to judge fully, but my preliminary reactions on those few panels we got isn't a positive one. I don't like how it's showcasing Beerus barely trying at all with several Hakaishin after him. Also, did Mosco get KO'd after just 1 tackle from Quitela? One blast from Beerus damages several Hakaishin too? Nope, not liking it so far.


As mentioned though, until I see it in its entirety, I won't give my full analysis yet.

[Boo Machine]

My god, it sucks so bad. Twelve Hakaishins fighting each other, how dare he write something as boring as that. Man, and the poses, can't he ever draw anything original. Not even one original technique, they are just flying and jumping around. Beerus is stronger than the rest, horrible. It's shit.

We get you dont like the first impressions that some folk had, but this isn't going to help anything. If you want to make a point it might just be quicker to say it.

[Basako]

My god, it sucks so bad. Twelve Hakaishins fighting each other, how dare he write something as boring as that. Man, and the poses, can't he ever draw anything original. Not even one original technique, they are just flying and jumping around. Beerus is stronger than the rest, horrible. It's shit.

We get you dont like the first impressions that some folk had, but this isn't going to help anything. If you want to make a point it might just be quicker to say it.

No man, for what. The least I'll get for this is warning, but not necessary, cause I'm leaving the forum. My point is, just, good bye.

[jplaya2023]

very sad it looks like the recommendations i wrote for toto either did not get to him or he ignored them. I wanted the manga to be very different from the anime. Just having all gods fight really isn't different from the anime. I wanted to see universe 7 train before the tournament

[alakazam^]

The manga only confirmed something for itself, not the anime, which is my point. And he wouldn't asked if he didn't chose it or at least implied it to be the case.

Black going pink is part of the story and present in both materials. Goku without Zamasu goes blue, Goku with Zamasu goes pink. We can put two and two together.

He asked because he thought he looked awesome, not that he actually wanted an answer, of course. That doesn't imply choosing colors, it's not even similar to Freeza's case.

[HeroR]

Black going pink is part of the story and present in both materials. Goku without Zamasu goes blue, Goku with Zamasu goes pink. We can put two and two together.

He asked because he thought he looked awesome, not that he actually wanted an answer, of course. That doesn't imply choosing colors, it's not even similar to Freeza's case.

That is assumption since we only know that Super Saiyan Rose is a god form and probably his version of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Why his hair turn pink isn't stated in the anime.

And why would he say, 'What do you think of the color, isn't it human"' if the reason why it went pink is because of his god ki.

[Scsigs]

So how is this piece of garbage in form of manga doing? Any more leaks?

About as well as this piece of garbage post. It'd be excellent if you could stay out of this thread unless you have some sort of meaningful thoughts/criticism to offer.

My god, it sucks so bad. Twelve Hakaishins fighting each other, how dare he write something as boring as that. Man, and the poses, can't he ever draw anything original. Not even one original technique, they are just flying and jumping around. Beerus is stronger than the rest, horrible. It's shit.

I know he won't see this because he said he's gone from here, but, um, Toyotaro has to follow the general plot outlines & plot points that Toriyama gives him. He can't change much from that & he can't really introduce any new techniques unless Toriyama invents one. He can only really change how the ones that get used are used. The manga's meant to be promo material for the anime after all.

[alakazam^]

That is assumption since we only know that Super Saiyan Rose is a god form and probably his version of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Why his hair turn pink isn't stated in the anime.

And why would he say, 'What do you think of the color, isn't it human"' if the reason why it went pink is because of his god ki.

Never said it was. That didn't stop me arriving at the same conclusion the manga did, which confirms it to me.

"isnt it human"? You must mean "beautiful". Why can't he say that for that reason? We know he had turned into it before we see it and he says he finally made all of Goku's power his own. We also know that's Goku's body and Goku can't choose hair color. Also, the next form isn't Rozé and neither Goku nor Vegeeta are talking about Rozé so we know it's not a future Saiyajin form as well. So, it's easy to see it as the way Blue manifests when you have a God's soul in your body.