"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[BlueBasilisk]

"To tell you the truth, I am planning on retiring any day now."

Welp, Belmod is dead as fuck. RIP clown man.

[Bullza]

Maybe Goku will wish for all the deceased fighters to be brought back into Universe 7 or something.

I can't see them permanently killing off the likes of Hit, Cabba and Caulifla. It'd actually be sort of interesting if they did because usually with this series everyone always comes back but I don't see it happening and I don't know if I'd particularly want it to or not.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 28-

Awesome chapter!! Much better than the joke the last one was.

Toyotaro did a much better job on introducing the Gods than Toei. You can see a glimpse of the personalities of some of them right away, unlike the anime where Toei introduced them all serious on the sidelines watching the Exhibition Matches.

I like how Rumoosh talks about Zamasu's incident and he's afraid that Daishinkan's calling is because of that.

I'm disappointed the Gods aren't formally dressed like they were in Jump Festa trailer though. In the end we didn't get that in both versions and that sucks.
If anything I like how Toppo was covered in the anime, because It added mystery to his character.

The best thing about this chapter is by far Vermoud's characterization. Every scene with him is perfect!
- He's surrounded by girls (that he intends to kill) like a pimp and celebrating his anniversary as GoD.
- He didn't hesitate to Hakai one of them when she was becoming an annoyance. The fact that Marcarita says she was just an innocent girl makes it more brutal.
- He didn't hesitate to attack Sidra, even though Sidra was helping him during the fight.

I don't know what Toei is thinking, but our first clown character deserves a much better treatment. This is it!

The humour was also well played. Mosco's reaction to the Tournament of Power announcement was hilarious.
Universe 8 Kaioshin being in the bathroom during Daishinkan's calling and Beerus calling Goku out for being his fault were funny too.

I like what Toyotaro did with Beerus. This not being the first time all the GoDs are summoned because of him, and how he fell asleep for 50 years during a hide and seek Tournament to please Zeno putting him on a position where the other GoDs don't like him is a good approach.

As for the Exhibition Match, I need to see the rest before judging properly. I don't think it's better or worse than the anime here, just different.

I like how the anime made the two lowest ranking Universes perform a show for the other Gods. A lot of good things came from it - Majin Buu finally having a proper fight again, (something that not even in GT happened), more build-up for Gohan's return to the frontlines and Universe 9 team build-up.

Seeing all the GoDs fight each other is a dream, but now let's see the execution. I'm not interested in seeing Beerus owning everyone and I would also like to see some cool attacks, like Toei did when the 3 GoDs tested the ToP arena.

Goku vs Toppo (and the build-up for Jiren) will most likely happen in the manga too, since Toppo is there.

The anime approach to Toriyama's Son Goku character is totally destroying the manga version in that regard, but all in all this is a 11/10 chapter and I can say I'm hyped for the next one!

[TKA]

Another cool chapter. I feel like in this one chapter I know more about the GoDs characters more than I do in dozens of episodes of the anime.

And as usual, this thread overreacted because of spoilers. Will most of you ever become self-aware enough to realize you repeat this exact same trend every single month (not that I'm much better since I repeat these sentences every month, and have been doing so since March 2017)? I digress. Beerus wasn't stronger than the other gods. He just used Whis' "dodge without thinking" training, and he isn't even that good at it.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

Pretty good chapter, while I am a little dissapointed that the exihibition match in the anime isn't in the manga because it was the last real showing of Buu and helped encourage Gohan to take training seriously again. However this is fun and get to show case the gods. Also it was nice they brought up both future Zeno and Zamas from U10. It looks like we will at least get conflict between Goku and Toppo next chapter, which was a nice little rivalry.

[Hellspawn28]

Fun chapter. I don't think Beerus is the strongest God of Destruction since I do think that they will Goku become Beerus soon and there would not be much room for the story if they did that if you ask me.

[Asura]

Wow. Just started reading the ToP arc, didn't know it even started before now. I can't believe how much better the beginning is already, the GoDs are already way more fleshed out than they are in the anime, Belmod in particular holy crap where was all of this in the anime? Oh and Goku isn't acting like a complete moron. I really like how the exhibition match is all of the GoDs instead of U9 vs U7, but I'm surprised Beerus can actually manage to hold his own right now and not get clobbered against 11 other Gods of Destruction. That's pretty damn impressive. All in all this is a really, really great start.

[HeroR]

Already starting off better than the inconsistent bad writing crap that is the Anime. I cant wait for the recruitment arc so we can actually see what Toriyama helped Toyotaro create. The manga is closer to what Akira Toriyama wants as its been stated he works closer with Toyotaro. All these strength debates and whats what can be settled.

Not it hasn't. Toriyama looks at both:

Q: I've heard Toriyama has a direct role into your work, right?

T: Not only mine: he supervises every storyboard related to the Dragon Ball universe.


Also, the scaling of the anime isn't the scaling of the manga. So whatever the scaling is in the manga is only in the manga, not the anime.

[Kanassa]

- He didn't hesitate to Hakai one of them when she was becoming an annoyance. The fact that Marcarita says she was just an innocent girl makes it more brutal.

I woudn't call her innocent, her first reaction to the God of Destruction's personal assistant saying 'Hello' is "I'LL CUT A BITCH!"

[TKA]

- He didn't hesitate to Hakai one of them when she was becoming an annoyance. The fact that Marcarita says she was just an innocent girl makes it more brutal.

I woudn't call her innocent, her first reaction to the God of Destruction's personal assistant saying 'Hello' is "I'LL CUT A BITCH!"

Clown chick needs to learn you don't mess with a man's Harley.

[Tugvow]

There are also some "continuty errors" I noticed that took me out of the fight:

One is when Vermoud kicks Beerus into Mosco's hands. The scene plays out with Beerus dodging a bunch of guys, then dodging Vermoud's right kick, then next panel Beerus is just flying out of nowhere, Vermoud still in the same position. An easy change to fix that would be have Vermoud kicking with his left leg in the second panel and it would be fine.

I think you will find if you have a look again that Vermoud never actually connects, it is Beerus dodging all of the other blows, as is evidenced by the jump marks left at the feet of the other GoD's along the path.

[STH]

Is this plot hole?

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[LightBing]

Is this plothole?

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No. Whis gives no dates, more than 240.000 years perfectly fills the criteria of "long ago".

[Hawk9211]

Is this plothole?

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No. Whis gives no dates, more than 240.000 years perfectly fills the criteria of "long ago".

Or may be belmod does not use earth days?There are already different calendars like kings calendar.

[LightBing]

Is this plothole?

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No. Whis gives no dates, more than 240.000 years perfectly fills the criteria of "long ago".

Or may be belmod does not use earth days?There are already different calendars like kings calendar.

Maybe, although I would assume the author would inform us if it was relevant.
Even if it was the case, how could it be a plot hole if we can't even interpret the calendar system?

[Boo Machine]

I think we can assume everyone uses different "days", with everyone always having to clarify "earth time" to Goku. I can't remember if this was in the manga, but didn't Zuno say that a Cockroaches lifetime was a year? Granted, I don't know much about roaches, but I never thought that they lived for a year.

[Noah]

It's been a while since the last time I enjoyed reading a chapter of the manga, it was quite decent, but:

The fight itself, however, wasn't that visually good. Toyotaro's fighting choreography is very limited in terms of variety and I swear he's reused several poses there a dozen or so times by now.

This and considering this arc will have plenty of fighting, I really hope he improves or else it will be another boring fest.

[Roronoa-pt]

Good chapter. Enjoyed it, a lot actually.

Vermoud seems to be totally different compared with his anime counterpart.

Toyo isn't overpowering Beerus too much ? Beerus' able to fight with nine gods at the same time?

Champa & Mosco seem fodder to Beerus, actually. Beerus toyed with his brother to fool the other Hakaishin and he easily escaped Mosco.

[Dragon Wukong]

Already starting off better than the inconsistent bad writing crap that is the Anime. I cant wait for the recruitment arc so we can actually see what Toriyama helped Toyotaro create. The manga is closer to what Akira Toriyama wants as its been stated he works closer with Toyotaro. All these strength debates and whats what can be settled.

Not it hasn't. Toriyama looks at both:

Q: I've heard Toriyama has a direct role into your work, right?

T: Not only mine: he supervises every storyboard related to the Dragon Ball universe.


Also, the scaling of the anime isn't the scaling of the manga. So whatever the scaling is in the manga is only in the manga, not the anime.

To be fair, Toriyama has also stated that he doesn't get to see the final script for the anime, and the anime has a very rushed production. Toriyama can supervise the storyboards sure, but it's impossible, or at least very very unlikely for corrections or anything on the same level as his involvement in the manga, where we know he's redrawn/drawn entire pages or characters where he feels Toyotaro falls short or out of character. I would argue based on that that the manga is closer to accurately representing Toriyama's vision of Super, but it's not like we can really know for sure.

As for the chapter, I loved Belmond actually having characterization, Rumoosh bringing up Zamas, and the GoD's wondering why the heck there's two Zenos. Also Mosco saying unintelligible beeps towards Zeno. Crazy that the rat is likely the one with the strongest mortal.

[Zeru14]

With each chapter, I continue to have hope that Krillin, Tien, Roshi, Android Twins and Piccolo will have "respectable" performances in the tournament.