"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Boo Machine » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:07 pm

TKA wrote: In truth, that is irrelevant to the point I'm raising. I don't care about "muh power levuuulls!" I care about competent writing. In Dragonball, characters develop through training and hardship (think back to Goku and Krillin training with Roshi, or Gohan and Piccolo's training, or Goku training with King Kai, or Gohan just sitting there with Elder Kai; character development). Krillin getting powered up by the grand elder touching his head is acceptable given the development that came along with it, and that it followed all the commando-esque actions he and Gohan had been involved in beforehand. It allowed both he and Gohan to be involved in the fighting aspects of the arc, and all they did was lose. All the powerup was was an excuse to not have them die the second they got into a fight. Toriyama did this because, as a writer, he knew that establishing limits on what characters can do is how you generate tension.

No, that isn't my point at all. My point is how can drama and tension exist if characters get power ups in the 11th hour out of nowhere? If all a character has to do is shout and really believe in themselves, why don't they just do that at the start of the fight? And if a character is losing, I have no reason to be invested because I know that eventually they'll dig deep and pull out more power.
Honestly I can't even remember a time when Screaming and the power of friendship ever won a fight in Super. Ever. Not even the ever infamous Rage trunks won his fights and Spirit Sword, effectivly amounted to zip. So maybe I'm forgetting the time a magic power up won the day.

Also I seem to remember when the manga introduced the 100% SSJ blue form that Goku uses and there was a small outcry of people wondering where this came from and calling it an asspull, and I believe you told them to stop making judgements before we get all the information, that this is a story and not all the info it going to be given to us all at once and to not freak out over leaks without context. So I find it a little odd that you're here doing exactly that. Saying something is already dumb before it's even come out, because of a few images and previews and not having all the info.
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Post by perucho1990 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:09 am

I'm crossing my fingers Cabba survives the TV Special, Brianne might be gone if Jiren attacks her.

Curious how many people will Jiren take down in the TV Special.

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Post by Yedis » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:14 am

In the shot where the spirit bomb is going towards Jiren you can see his hands up, so I think he may deflect it somewhere instead of taking it full on and not getting phased.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:20 am

perucho1990 wrote:I'm crossing my fingers Cabba survives the TV Special, Brianne might be gone if Jiren attacks her.

Curious how many people will Jiren take down in the TV Special.
You know what would redeem this pitifully boring character for me? If almost everyone in the tournament decided to fight him at the same time, resulting in a dramatic one-sided ass whupping like this one:
https://youtu.be/5tP8_onP0Js?t=8m
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Post by perucho1990 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:24 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
You know what would redeem this pitifully boring character for me? If almost everyone in the tournament decided to fight him at the same time, resulting in a dramatic one-sided ass whupping like this one:
https://youtu.be/5tP8_onP0Js?t=8m
Well Fuji TV Preview says that he will overwhelm every fighter by unleashing his Ki.

Curious about his relationship with Vermoud, if Vermoud will look more similar to his Manga counterpart.

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Post by TheOne » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:30 am

perucho1990 wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
You know what would redeem this pitifully boring character for me? If almost everyone in the tournament decided to fight him at the same time, resulting in a dramatic one-sided ass whupping like this one:
https://youtu.be/5tP8_onP0Js?t=8m
Well Fuji TV Preview says that he will overwhelm every fighter by unleashing his Ki.

Curious about his relationship with Vermoud, if Vermoud will look more similar to his Manga counterpart.
To me it's kinda hard to believe Vermoud has any real relationship with Jiren. When he was first introduced to us, he made no indication of even knowing who Jiren was.
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Post by Tombstone1988 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:25 am

So now that there are only 6 members of Universe 6 left as opposed to 8, 31 competitors in the Tournament of Power as opposed to 32, and Jimeze was eliminated this episode and thus won't still be fighting Gohan in the special, I think we can confirm that Toei is just deliberately messing with us with the episode spoilers/previews.
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Post by BlueBasilisk » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:34 am

Tombstone1988 wrote:So now that there are only 6 members of Universe 6 left as opposed to 8, 31 competitors in the Tournament of Power as opposed to 32, and Jimeze was eliminated this episode and thus won't still be fighting Gohan in the special, I think we can confirm that Toei is just deliberately messing with us with the episode spoilers/previews.
The preview doesn't actually say who Gohan's supposed to be fighting in 109, just that he's having "a tough fight." People assumed it was Jimeze because of the 108 preview.

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Post by precita » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:39 am

So what happened to 17 and 18? It seems like they disappeared without a trace. Have they been mentioned in any summaries at all?

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Post by Tombstone1988 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:14 am

BlueBasilisk wrote:The preview doesn't actually say who Gohan's supposed to be fighting in 109, just that he's having "a tough fight." People assumed it was Jimeze because of the 108 preview.
I remember the translation being "while Gohan struggles in his match," which implied a continuation of a fight (that fight assumed to be with Jimeze). So I guess it could be more accurate to say that both Toei is deliberately messing with us and fan translations aren't always 100% on-point (though still very much appreciated).
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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:30 am

Kanassa wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:That's it, this is by far the best episode of the tournament. Just the way Freeza trolled Frost like that and Frost's reaction when he got sent to the bleachers was just UTTERLY PRICELESSS!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I like how he first built a semi-personal connection by showing Frost the 100% form JUST to make it hurt more.

Also, 100% Frost is gonna be in my nightmares for weeks!
Oh he is gonna be ruling my dreams as well..
just the other kind...
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:So the NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishin's, Kaioshin's and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power. And he's using it while he's a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaioken stacked on top.

HOLY. SHIT.

This is gonna be a spectacle. Like way beyond Episode 66. I'm super intrigued.
THIS so much!
It's truly Goku's Trump Card! That combination is MAXIMUM!
Why does him being KK20 matter here?
All he can do is push the bomb harder, the energy of the bomb is still genki, which he can't get enough of from just the spectators and the participants, there simply aren't that many people here..
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Post by TheDipDap1234 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:59 am

Tombstone1988 wrote:So now that there are only 6 members of Universe 6 left as opposed to 8, 31 competitors in the Tournament of Power as opposed to 32, and Jimeze was eliminated this episode and thus won't still be fighting Gohan in the special, I think we can confirm that Toei is just deliberately messing with us with the episode spoilers/previews.
The spoilers also said that Helles will be praising Goku in this episode, which will make Ribrianne jealous. That did not happen.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:07 am

It's bizzare how supposed summaries straight up lie..
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:19 am

Ki Breaker wrote:It's bizzare how supposed summaries straight up lie..
I've been talking about this for what seems like an eternity. Never put any substantial stock into an episode summary. Half of the time they're full of shit.
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Lord Beerus wrote:So the NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishin's, Kaioshin's and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power. And he's using it while he's a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaioken stacked on top.
Er... What? Where was this even implied? Goku can't steal people energy while doing Genkidama if he could he wouldn't need Satan assist against Kid Boo :eh:
I think "steal" was the wrong word to use. I think "forcibly borrow" is the more appropriate term. We see Goku do it on Namek. He can do again now if he wanted to.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:35 am

Ki Breaker wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:That's it, this is by far the best episode of the tournament. Just the way Freeza trolled Frost like that and Frost's reaction when he got sent to the bleachers was just UTTERLY PRICELESSS!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I like how he first built a semi-personal connection by showing Frost the 100% form JUST to make it hurt more.

Also, 100% Frost is gonna be in my nightmares for weeks!
Oh he is gonna be ruling my dreams as well..
just the other kind...
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:So the NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishin's, Kaioshin's and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power. And he's using it while he's a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaioken stacked on top.

HOLY. SHIT.

This is gonna be a spectacle. Like way beyond Episode 66. I'm super intrigued.
THIS so much!
It's truly Goku's Trump Card! That combination is MAXIMUM!
Why does him being KK20 matter here?
All he can do is push the bomb harder, the energy of the bomb is still genki, which he can't get enough of from just the spectators and the participants, there simply aren't that many people here..
Isn't that an improvement? Isn't that literally everything Goku has in the box right now and to offer? The limit breaking Form will come after that through currently unknown means yet. Right now this is Goku's absolute limit and Trump card.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:39 am

Ki Breaker wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:That's it, this is by far the best episode of the tournament. Just the way Freeza trolled Frost like that and Frost's reaction when he got sent to the bleachers was just UTTERLY PRICELESSS!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I like how he first built a semi-personal connection by showing Frost the 100% form JUST to make it hurt more.

Also, 100% Frost is gonna be in my nightmares for weeks!
Oh he is gonna be ruling my dreams as well..
just the other kind...
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:So the NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishin's, Kaioshin's and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power. And he's using it while he's a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaioken stacked on top.

HOLY. SHIT.

This is gonna be a spectacle. Like way beyond Episode 66. I'm super intrigued.
THIS so much!
It's truly Goku's Trump Card! That combination is MAXIMUM!
Why does him being KK20 matter here?
All he can do is push the bomb harder, the energy of the bomb is still genki, which he can't get enough of from just the spectators and the participants, there simply aren't that many people here..
With Beerus there, and the Omni-King's who are just like little children that would immediately raise their arms without giving it a second thought, this would be MORE than enough energy to do the job. It would be a God powered Spirit Bomb. If at least Beerus, Whis, the entire U7 team and the two Omni-King's raise their hands, it would already be sufficient. And i have a feeling a lot of others will do the same.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:48 am

GodVegetto91 wrote: Isn't that an improvement? Isn't that literally everything Goku has in the box right now and to offer? The limit breaking Form will come after that through currently unknown means yet. Right now this is Goku's absolute limit and Trump card.
No.. it would do much more damage if he used the KK20 to go punch jiren himself, not push something akin to a weak blast at jiren..
As for why it should be weak -
GodVegetto91 wrote: With Beerus there, and the Omni-King's who are just like little children that would immediately raise their arms without giving it a second thought, this would be MORE than enough energy to do the job. It would be a God powered Spirit Bomb. If at least Beerus, Whis, the entire U7 team and the two Omni-King's raise their hands, it would already be sufficient. And i have a feeling a lot of others will do the same.
Genki dama uses genki, not ki..
Every living thing has a limited amount of genki no matter how powerful they are..
Against kid buu supreme kai and Gohan raised their hands as well, and entire earth did it too.. That made a bomb powerful enough to kill buu..

No matter how you look at it, 9 contestants of his team, whis, berrus and 2 zeno raising dosen't provide nearly enough genki to make a bomb powerful enough to even hurt namek freeza..

On top of that jiren is pure of heart ( at least he seems to be as of now ), he can bounce back even the biggest genki dama Goku can throw under perfect conditions..
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:53 am

Ki Breaker wrote:
On top of that jiren is pure of heart, he can bounce back even the biggest genki dama Goku can throw under perfect conditions..
Who says Jiren is pure of heart. He could easily be a former villain just like the majority of Universe 7.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:57 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:
On top of that jiren is pure of heart, he can bounce back even the biggest genki dama Goku can throw under perfect conditions..
Who says Jiren is pure of heart. He could easily be a former villain just like the majority of Universe 7.
Alright, if it's still in the grey zone for ya, let's not consider this particular point until proven as a fact, it's plenty safe to assume this to be the case though..
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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:19 am

Why is this preview the only one that had a new shot of SSJ Blue Kaioken Goku flying upwards to Jiren?
No other preview has this, look closely at 6:00
https://youtu.be/E3UL8Kf-yeY

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