The respect of Beerus.

[Saturnine]

It was never stated or hinted in ROF that they cannot go normal ssj,also it was never stated in the series that Vegeta absorbed God powers like Goku either since he never turned ssjg so Vegeta being a 'Saiyan Beyond God' does not hold up.
If anything it was stated in the show that Vegeta got stronger because of his training with Whis which thing Goku noted.

Training with Whis is not the same as training on your own, that's for one thing, another thing is that in the RoF movie, Goku didn't go SSj at all and only used his base form. Saying SSj is a full 50x multiplier from a SSj God absorbed base contradicts the whole idea of SSj Blue being the SSj form of a god-absorbed base (which if anything, should be 50x that). It's clear that Goku's SSj form against Beerus wasn't as strong as his later SSj Blue appearances.

[supercat]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

Roshi on the other hand did very much earn his respect, so I'm glad he got to hear it from Beerus. Krillin? Far worthier of appreciation than anything Tien was able to muster up.

Tournament would have been just fine with 9 fighters. This way neither Buu nor Tien have to participate.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

Roshi on the other hand did very much earn his respect, so I'm glad he got to hear it from Beerus. Krillin? Far worthier of appreciation than anything Tien was able to muster up.

Tournament would have been just fine with 9 fighters. This way neither Buu nor Tien have to participate.

You really don't like Tien do you?

[supercat]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

Roshi on the other hand did very much earn his respect, so I'm glad he got to hear it from Beerus. Krillin? Far worthier of appreciation than anything Tien was able to muster up.

Tournament would have been just fine with 9 fighters. This way neither Buu nor Tien have to participate.

You really don't like Tien do you?

I feel there's nothing to like about Tien.

He's presumably the weakest by a good amount, by far performed the worst, relies on cowardly techniques, never seems to make any progress in terms of power, and doesn't seem to have anything other than looking petrified to offer.

I thought it was so pathetic how he didn't even let Gohan continue sparring. Some martial artist.

At this point, I just see him as comic relief. Between the hilariously foolish poses, and how he got eliminated, it's hard not to laugh at who he is. He had the nerve to show respect to an enemy before making sure he won and eliminating him? Yeah, some fighter there.

Serves him right that he got tricked like that in the end. Even the way he took his opponent down with him was comical. Something that I could never take seriously.

[Whatever]

It was never stated or hinted in ROF that they cannot go normal ssj,also it was never stated in the series that Vegeta absorbed God powers like Goku either since he never turned ssjg so Vegeta being a 'Saiyan Beyond God' does not hold up.
If anything it was stated in the show that Vegeta got stronger because of his training with Whis which thing Goku noted.

Training with Whis is not the same as training on your own, that's for one thing, another thing is that in the RoF movie, Goku didn't go SSj at all and only used his base form. Saying SSj is a full 50x multiplier from a SSj God absorbed base contradicts the whole idea of SSj Blue being the SSj form of a god-absorbed base (which if anything, should be 50x that). It's clear that Goku's SSj form against Beerus wasn't as strong as his later SSj Blue appearances.

Goku did not go ssj at all in ROF because he did not need to.He could handle 4th form Freeza in base form and he needed his strongest form to stand a chance against Golden Freeza.I mentioned Whis because Vegeta trained with him and he never became ssjg so he was never what you call 'Saiyan Beyond God' so your assumption does not go well with what was established.

Yes its clear Goku's BOG ssj form is not as strong as SSj blue because its a different form period,the only reason i mentioned it was because of your claim on how ssj blue works which is never stated in the show itself.

Ssj Blue is the ssj form of Super saiyan God so that has nothing to do with the 'Saiyan beyond God' thing you mentioned,which does not exist anyways.

[Neon Z]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

in universe, he tracked down a sniper who was repeatedly referenced as powerful (and those shots that torn Piccolo apart), threatened the entire team, couldn't be sensed and also was moving fast enough only Tenshinhan's eyes could keep track of him before he disappeared once again.

The issue is that the episode really fails to sell all that to the viewer, with the way Goku's and Vegeta's scenes are basically comical, and even the sniper not being able to being sensed and only Tenshinhan's eyes keeping track of him are only mentioned once, with not even any build up or particular focus. Somehow, Piccolo and Gohan hiding ineffectively had more screentime than Tenshinhan himself in that episode.

I feel there's nothing to like about Tien.

He's the dedicated martial artist of the cast, without needing some innate Saiyan programming. The one who already was talking about reaching his limits as the motivation for his training in the beginning of the Android arc, while it takes Vegeta until the Buu Saga to figure out that as the motivation that pushed Goku forward above him. Your other complaints are basically about how he isn't a main character so he can't get strong enough for his power to matter in the main plot.

The Gohan training scenario was basically a perfect set up to make Tenshinhan look bad. He was the only one there who didn't know the tournament's stakes, so she's shown shocked and surprised by how seriously everyone was fighting in spite of the tournament match being only a couple of hours from that point. It's clear at this point that none of Super's writing team really care for Tenshinhan, and he only was in this arc due to Toriyama's outline. So, he was basically used as support for other character and the one scene that was supposed to focus on him was very brief and cheaply done writing and animation-wise.

[supercat]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

in universe, he tracked down a sniper who was repeatedly referenced as powerful (and those shots that torn Piccolo apart), threatened the entire team, couldn't be sensed and also was moving fast enough only Tenshinhan's eyes could keep track of him before he disappeared once again.

The issue is that the episode really fails to sell all that to the viewer, with the way Goku's and Vegeta's scenes are basically comical, and even the sniper not being able to being sensed and only Tenshinhan's eyes keeping track of him are only mentioned once, with not even any build up or particular focus. Somehow, Piccolo and Gohan hiding ineffectively had more screentime than Tenshinhan himself in that episode.

I feel there's nothing to like about Tien.

He's the dedicated martial artist of the cast, without needing some innate Saiyan programming. The one who already was talking about reaching his limits as the motivation for his training in the beginning of the Android arc, while it takes Vegeta until the Buu Saga to figure out that as the motivation that pushed Goku forward above him. Your other complaints are basically about how he isn't a main character so he can't get strong enough for his power to matter in the main plot.

The Gohan training scenario was basically a perfect set up to make Tenshinhan look bad. He was the only one there who didn't know the tournament's stakes, so she's shown shocked and surprised by how seriously everyone was fighting in spite of the tournament match being only a couple of hours from that point. It's clear at this point that none of Super's writing team really care for Tenshinhan, and he only was in this arc due to Toriyama's outline. So, he was basically used as support for other character and the one scene that was supposed to focus on him was very brief and cheaply done writing and animation-wise.

Tearing Piccolo apart isn't even a big feat. The guy's a joke as far as power goes these days. Defeating him is probably worth the same value as defeating Yamcha back in the Android saga. I didn't really find his "victory" if you could even call it that impressive. Gohan and Piccolo hiding is better than Tien prancing about with his foolish charade.

Android 17 and Frieza don't have any Saiyan tendencies, yet they're amazing. Tien realizing and quitting his goal to surpass Goku so early on only shows he's a cowardly quitter who has no pride or self-worth. It would be better if he at least tried to better himself rather than sitting around coaching a bunch of fodders.

Android 17 also seems to be a support character, yet he was able to rival SSB Goku and give him a good fight. So it is very possible for support characters to have a good role. At this point, Tien's better off sitting in the back marveling at others (excluding Piccolo) who are far above him.

[Scorpio Kardia]

It seems odd that he would praise them for their performances. Especially considering in the Universe 6 tournament Vegeta eliminated three out of the five different competitors, and yet he still got treated like garbage by Beerus afterwards, and even acted as a personal maid to him.

So I would think Beerus would treat everyone in a similar way, but now that I think about it Vegeta is the only one who he treats that way, and who seems to be very afraid of him, like when he ordered Vegeta to gather the Dragon Balls and Vegeta did it immediately like a good little toy soldier. So it must be a Vegeta thing because Beerus likes to mess with his pride or something. I wouldn't be surprised if after Vegeta gets eliminated and even though he has like 9 eliminations Beerus still gives him crap.

Anyway it seems to me that it's their way of making the viewer think that the characters in question did really well for themselves, when we all know that aside from Roshi that really wasn't the case so far. So yeah I agree that it feels forced.

[blackbewhite2k7]

Beerus respecting Tien only shows how great a character Beerus can be. As powerful as he is, he can still show a humble side and acknowledge the weak and the pathetic. Tien did nothing to deserve anyone's respect.

in universe, he tracked down a sniper who was repeatedly referenced as powerful (and those shots that torn Piccolo apart), threatened the entire team, couldn't be sensed and also was moving fast enough only Tenshinhan's eyes could keep track of him before he disappeared once again.

The issue is that the episode really fails to sell all that to the viewer, with the way Goku's and Vegeta's scenes are basically comical, and even the sniper not being able to being sensed and only Tenshinhan's eyes keeping track of him are only mentioned once, with not even any build up or particular focus. Somehow, Piccolo and Gohan hiding ineffectively had more screentime than Tenshinhan himself in that episode.

I feel there's nothing to like about Tien.

He's the dedicated martial artist of the cast, without needing some innate Saiyan programming. The one who already was talking about reaching his limits as the motivation for his training in the beginning of the Android arc, while it takes Vegeta until the Buu Saga to figure out that as the motivation that pushed Goku forward above him. Your other complaints are basically about how he isn't a main character so he can't get strong enough for his power to matter in the main plot.

The Gohan training scenario was basically a perfect set up to make Tenshinhan look bad. He was the only one there who didn't know the tournament's stakes, so she's shown shocked and surprised by how seriously everyone was fighting in spite of the tournament match being only a couple of hours from that point. It's clear at this point that none of Super's writing team really care for Tenshinhan, and he only was in this arc due to Toriyama's outline. So, he was basically used as support for other character and the one scene that was supposed to focus on him was very brief and cheaply done writing and animation-wise.

Good points all around. Just ignore Supercat's edgy, hyperbolic character hate. Dude will spin just about everything about Tien as a negative judging from his obsessive comments.