"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

Those Roshi eps definitely caught a lot of people off guard, they were amazing, I have a feeling they purposely made the other eps look like shit in comparison to Roshi's so that he'll stand out.
I can get behind Piccolo getting thrown out next (they're just theories anyways), in terms of power he's really the next one to go, him or 18, Piccolo doesnt need to fight the namekians (I honestly think they're just there so that Freeza and Vegeta can torture more namekians like back in the good ol days ) and we're not even sure if those namekians will play a big role, the yardrat and Goku didnt even have a proper fight when I was expecting an IT V IT match.

[namekiansaiyan]

I wonder what their reasoning for thinking Piccolo is next to go is?

Probably because he's only had one really short fight so far and he lacks the plot armor of Goku/Gohan/Vegeta.

This is what I have to say about 'plot armour'.

Too many people have it in their heads that Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Frieza arr all making it to the end and some also think 17 will but the problem is who will they fight? We already have Jiren in action next episode so that is one big player fighting early and then there is Hit vs Jiren which is almost certainly result in 1 being knocked out.

There is a lack of potential opponents. People will say Toppo but who else as fighters like Dyspo have already been found out and we know the Universe 6 Saiyans can be beat. This is why I think 'plot armour' doesn't exist as much as many people think.

Many people think Piccolo is fighting the Namekians so you could then say Piccolo has 'plot armour' until he fights them.

Those Roshi eps definitely caught a lot of people off guard, they were amazing, I have a feeling they purposely made the other eps look like shit in comparison to Roshi's so that he'll stand out.
I can get behind Piccolo getting thrown out next (they're just theories anyways), in terms of power he's really the next one to go, him or 18, Piccolo doesnt need to fight the namekians (I honestly think they're just there so that Freeza and Vegeta can torture more namekians like back in the good ol days ) and we're not even sure if those namekians will play a big role, the yardrat and Goku didnt even have a proper fight when I was expecting an IT V IT match.

Dr Rota was your new joke character and I doubt they would have lasted this long without being shown if they were going to do nothing.

[MaskedRider]

I wonder what their reasoning for thinking Piccolo is next to go is?

If you do quantum physics, the ending shows Piccolo is next to be eliminated
that or because hes bald

[SansrivaaL]

because hes bald

Piccolo aint bald, he has antennas.

[Michsi]

As far as tendency goes, it's seems like a toss between Piccolo and #18. #17 got too much hype to go down before either of them. The namekians are pretty much the only semi-guarantee Piccolo has he'll stick around for longer and considering how many predictions we got wrong I wouldn't be surprised if it's not him that gets to have a fight with them.

What's funny/sad was that in that poll about who they want to see give their best in the TOP (small as it was), Piccolo ranked pretty high.

[namekiansaiyan]

As far as tendency goes, it's seems like a toss between Piccolo and #18. #17 got too much hype to go down before either of them. The namekians are pretty much the only semi-guarantee Piccolo has he'll stick around for longer and considering how many predictions we got wrong I wouldn't be surprised if it's not him that gets to have a fight with them.

What's funny/sad was that in that poll about who they want to see give their best in the TOP (small as it was), Piccolo ranked pretty high.

Even if 17 has got 'hype' he is behind Goku, Vegeta, Frieza and Gohan so being 5th isn't going to get him anywhere. This 17 'hype' seems like the definition of false hype to me.

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Everyone needs to look at the big picture of the tournament and actually take into account who is left and what we know is actually going to happen soon.

[Ki Breaker]

If we go by power and logic.. between the eliminated fighters
Roshi should have been eliminated first
Tien second
Krillin third..

What we got was the exact opposite..
Going by this logic for the saiyans
Goku goes out first, Vegeta second and Gohan remains till the end..

17, 18 can drop out anytime, I don't care, Freeza could be going when Jiren acts going by heros..

[Michsi]

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Anyone at this point is as good a guess as any. I mean, who would've ever expected Roshi to have a confrontation with Frost? Certain things seem to be fairly predictable (the humans being the first ones to get eliminated) others less so.

[Lionel]

I say let someone unexpected get eliminated before Piccolo is. #18 is a strong choice for the disposable classification but if we could see someone like Vegeta go then I would be satisfied since Piccolo will have defied expectations by holding on for so long. Before anyone criticises that Vegeta hasn't done enough, if he's allowed to defeat one of the top contenders of the tournament then I think that would be satisfactory for his resume. The most Piccolo is likely to receive are the two Namekians, and if you subscribe to the idea of Piccolo being weaker than Base Goku, that means his opponents could be even weaker than the five Pride Troopers whom Goku and the U6 Saiyans fought. Does that sound rational or well earned to anyone? I don't believe so, but then neither does Base Gohan in the RoF arc being stronger than Piccolo who you would hope would at least have surpassed the Cell Jrs by now.

[namekiansaiyan]

I say let someone unexpected get eliminated before Piccolo is. #18 is a strong choice for the disposable classification but if we could see someone like Vegeta go then I would be satisfied since Piccolo will have defied expectations by holding on for so long. Before anyone criticises that Vegeta hasn't done enough, if he's allowed to defeat one of the top contenders of the tournament then I think that would be satisfactory for his resume. The most Piccolo is likely to receive are the two Namekians, and if you subscribe to the idea of Piccolo being weaker than Base Goku, that means his opponents could be even weaker than the five Pride Troopers whom Goku and the U6 Saiyans fought. Does that sound rational or well earned to anyone? I don't believe so, but then neither does Base Gohan in the RoF arc being stronger than Piccolo who you would hope would at least have surpassed the Cell Jrs by now.

18 going out before Piccolo is expected not unexpected anf Vegeta going out could happen as he seems to be involved with the Jiren stuff soon.

How can you possibly rank the pride troopers especially when Goku fights everyone in base form and ee never know when he is serious. You do know Piccolo has already got a power boost as Gohan mentioned.

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Anyone at this point is as good a guess as any. I mean, who would've ever expected Roshi to have a confrontation with Frost? Certain things seem to be fairly predictable (the humans being the first ones to get eliminated) others less so.

He could face anyone but obviously the numbers are getting smaller so match ups will become more obvious.

[BlueBasilisk]

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Anyone at this point is as good a guess as any. I mean, who would've ever expected Roshi to have a confrontation with Frost? Certain things seem to be fairly predictable (the humans being the first ones to get eliminated) others less so.

Or for Frieza to just one-shot Frost or for Gohan to fight Jimeze instead of Goku. Goku vs Jiren is about the only fight in the tournament that's guaranteed to happen.

[Michsi]

I say let someone unexpected get eliminated before Piccolo is. #18 is a strong choice for the disposable classification but if we could see someone like Vegeta go then I would be satisfied since Piccolo will have defied expectations by holding on for so long. Before anyone criticises that Vegeta hasn't done enough, if he's allowed to defeat one of the top contenders of the tournament then I think that would be satisfactory for his resume. The most Piccolo is likely to receive are the two Namekians, and if you subscribe to the idea of Piccolo being weaker than Base Goku, that means his opponents could be even weaker than the five Pride Troopers whom Goku and the U6 Saiyans fought. Does that sound rational or well earned to anyone? I don't believe so, but then neither does Base Gohan in the RoF arc being stronger than Piccolo who you would hope would at least have surpassed the Cell Jrs by now.

I still believe we are putting way too much thought into these explicit power rankings. Not saying that the writers don't take any heed of who is supposed to be stronger than who, but not nearly as much as the fandom does.

Having said that, Piccolo and #18 are in a very odd position: popular characters that are stronger than humans, but less popular and weaker than the saiyans. So if we are to follow the formula of likelihood, they will be given lesser active roles and fights.

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Anyone at this point is as good a guess as any. I mean, who would've ever expected Roshi to have a confrontation with Frost? Certain things seem to be fairly predictable (the humans being the first ones to get eliminated) others less so.

Or for Frieza to just one-shot Frost or for Gohan to fight Jimeze instead of Goku. Goku vs Jiren is about the only fight in the tournament that's guaranteed to happen.

Pretty much. To be clear, I'm mostly convinced Piccolo will end up fighting the namekians, but not 100%. I don't mind that they're throwing us some curve balls with unexpected match-ups, but not all of them are good.

[Jigurashi]

If Piccolo does not fight the Namekians then who is he going to fight?

Anyone at this point is as good a guess as any. I mean, who would've ever expected Roshi to have a confrontation with Frost? Certain things seem to be fairly predictable (the humans being the first ones to get eliminated) others less so.

Or for Frieza to just one-shot Frost or for Gohan to fight Jimeze instead of Goku. Goku vs Jiren is about the only fight in the tournament that's guaranteed to happen.

This. I get Namekiansaiyan's point, but at the same time a lot of fights fans thought we're going to happen didn't. It's definitely possible Piccolo doesn't even fight the Namekians (of course they also could be saved for Piccolo too and would prefer that).

Sure many expect Piccolo to fight the Namekians, but the Iike other fights, what if that doesn't happen?

There's no telling when Piccolo will be eliminated if he gets eliminated. He could be next, he could last longer than most of the remains of the team. Too early to tell right now.

[namekiansaiyan]

Having said that, Piccolo and #18 are in a very odd position: popular characters that are stronger than humans, but less popular and weaker than the saiyans. So if we are to follow the formula of likelihood, they will be given lesser active roles and fights.

Piccolo has got only 15 seconds of fighting time which is ridiculous and is less then some randoms on other teams. Are we seriously suppose to believe that Toei and Toriyama couldn't find 1 more fight for Piccolo in the first 12 episodes? I actually think Toei consider Piccolo and Gohan dodging in episode 106 as actual proper fighting time when it is not.

[Michsi]

Having said that, Piccolo and #18 are in a very odd position: popular characters that are stronger than humans, but less popular and weaker than the saiyans. So if we are to follow the formula of likelihood, they will be given lesser active roles and fights.

Piccolo has got only 15 seconds of fighting time which is ridiculous and is less then some randoms on other teams. Are we seriously suppose to believe that Toei and Toriyama couldn't find 1 more fight for Piccolo in the first 12 episodes? I actually think Toei consider Piccolo and Gohan dodging in episode 106 as actual proper fighting time when it is not.

I was speaking more about the relevance they're given in general, not this arc in particular. I expect Piccolo to get his turn in the spotlight too, but how good that moment will be is up in the air.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The special will air on CrunchyRoll right? Its just two episodes and it wouldn't make sense to not be included.

Yup. FUNimation will also live stream a "pre-show" type event just before the special goes live. To quote them:
"We've done pre-show livestreams before, but nothing of this size! A fight this big deserves it."

FUNi have been working on getting this pre-show thing off the ground since August so this means it isn't a last minute thing and they've actually known about this for sometime.

In other words. This. Is. Huge.

[Noah]

They are the best episodes but I seriously don't understand where people get the idea that Piccolo is next when the Androids are still. If you think he is fighting the Namekians the spoilers suggest he is not going to go anywhere soon.

Sorry, but I didn't understand your reasoning.

[namekiansaiyan]

Having said that, Piccolo and #18 are in a very odd position: popular characters that are stronger than humans, but less popular and weaker than the saiyans. So if we are to follow the formula of likelihood, they will be given lesser active roles and fights.

Piccolo has got only 15 seconds of fighting time which is ridiculous and is less then some randoms on other teams. Are we seriously suppose to believe that Toei and Toriyama couldn't find 1 more fight for Piccolo in the first 12 episodes? I actually think Toei consider Piccolo and Gohan dodging in episode 106 as actual proper fighting time when it is not.

I was speaking more about the relevance they're given in general, not this arc in particular. I expect Piccolo to get his turn in the spotlight too, but how good that moment will be is up in the air.

Going by your relevancy Piccolo should have had more so far than he has had especially since 18 has had a lot more than him in the tournament. Before this arc he was more relevant then anyone else in the team apart from Goku and Vegeta but Piccolo has still got nothing. It will be Seventeen episodes going on spoilers with only one 15 second fight. Even the biggest Piccolo hater would not expect that.

I am not settling for only 1 decent episode no matter how good it is as Piccolo deserves more than that.

I am annoyed and excited at the same time.

They are the best episodes but I seriously don't understand where people get the idea that Piccolo is next when the Androids are still. If you think he is fighting the Namekians the spoilers suggest he is not going to go anywhere soon.

Sorry, but I didn't understand your reasoning.

Wouldn't you expect the Androids to go out before Piccolo especailly 18.

The special will air on CrunchyRoll right? Its just two episodes and it wouldn't make sense to not be included.

Yup. FUNimation will also live stream a "pre-show" type event just before the special goes live. To quote them:
"We've done pre-show livestreams before, but nothing of this size! A fight this big deserves it."

FUNi have been working on getting this pre-show thing off the ground since August so this means it isn't a last minute thing and they've actually known about this for sometime.

In other words. This. Is. Huge.

Would Funimation even though that much about the fight right now.

[sintzu]

I am not settling for only 1 decent episode no matter how good it is as Piccolo deserves more than that.

I think we'll be lucky if we even get that. It's hard to believe that he's the same character who's one of the most relevent and beloved in the original manga.

[Michsi]

I am not settling for only 1 decent episode no matter how good it is as Piccolo deserves more than that.

Well, I think so too, but let's face it, we're biased.


Another question: have we heard anything new regarding the new ending? Is there a longer clip?