The Mortal Above Gods is actually from... Universe 4!?

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Re: The Mortal Above Gods is actually from... Universe 4!?

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:14 pm

AnimeNation101 wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:You can not come to the conclusion the mortal is from Universe 4 and we know:

1. Whis said there is a mortal in an universe who is stronger than their God of Destruction

2. The God of destruction iwho is weaker than the mortal is stronger than Beerus.

3. Beerus lost at an arm wrestling match to Quitela.

4. It was Beerus who mentioned the arm wrestling match and not Whis. Beerus is obviously embarrassed by this and could possibly think of Quitela first. Everyone assumes Whis was referring to Quitela but you cannot prove this to be true.

5. There are 12 Gods of Destruction.

This is all the information we know so for the mortal to be from Universe 4 you have to assume that Quitela is the strongest of all the 12 Gods and Beerus is second.

This would mean:

Mortal>Quitela> Beerus> The other 10 Gods

But from the information we know, we can not say what the strength of all 12 Gods is so it could easily be:

Mortal> Geene> Quitela> Beerus > The other 9 Gods

Or any other tier list.

Also, losing at an arm wrestling match does not mean you are weaker than the winner.
These were the exact words from Whis:
4:16 | Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win?
4:18 | Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal that even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus-sama.
4:39 | Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!

We are both wrong. Whis didn't say the mortal was stronger than the Gods of Destruction, he said "a" god of destruction as in one. And the god that is weaker than the mortal is stronger than Beerus. Then Beerus said the arm wrestling quote. This is what we know

Mortal > Quitela > Beerus

We don't know how he matches up with they other gods but the mortal could be stronger than most of them considering how Beerus is seemingly a top tier god.

We also don't know if the mortal if even actually from the same Universe as the God he or she is stronger than. They never really specified. Still if the mortal isn't from U4 i find it weird that they'd bring up the God from U4, but yeah, thats the whole situation.
It doesn't even imply the universe is in the tournament actually. The key phrase here is the first thing Whis says. He doesnt doesn't know much about the other universe. He is just saying there is one, somewhere, with these circumstances so be aware its possible.
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Re: The Mortal Above Gods is actually from... Universe 4!?

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:34 am

I'd be very surprised, if this fact differ between the manga and the anime.
Beerus just so happens to have lost at arm wrestling against another God of Destruction in both mediums and some think it might be different between them?
Nope don't buy it, however there are points that can be argued about:
Beerus could be making the wrong assumption in assuming Whis was talking about the guy he lost armwrestling to, when Whis could have known someone else, who managed to surpass Beerus since the last time they met.

Whis could have outdated info, as maybe the supposed mortal has retired or died since last checking.

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Re: The Mortal Above Gods is actually from... Universe 4!?

Post by PMD » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:10 pm

And now in the 2018 DBS Calendar they put Damom alongside other non-U7 important characters from the ToP:

[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

Mmmm, the theory intensifies.

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Re: The Mortal Above Gods is actually from... Universe 4!?

Post by CJStriker_CBR » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:19 pm

PMD wrote:And now in the 2018 DBS Calendar they put Damom alongside other non-U7 important characters from the ToP:

[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

Mmmm, the theory intensifies.
Indeed it Does PMD!

This just give IMO maybe MASSIVE Evidence that Damom and maybe their Twin Brother or Sister will be a Major Force in this, at least I am Hoping, but this gains it Much Traction!

You DON'T put a Non-Hyped Character with a Group of the most HYPED characters of the ToP Arc in the Same Image! ;) :thumbup: :think:
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