"Dragon Ball FighterZ" Official Discussion Thread

[Olympian]

They`re loading for me. One of my concerns from the tease trailer was Yamcha`s level 3 and overall damage output. Tenshinhan seems built on increasing damage so there` little worry for him in that regard (trading on speed,of course).

[Simere]

I thought we weren't going to see SSB Vegeta's assist and then they showed it by accident in the Tenshinhan video. We almost saw it in the other gameplay video before, but he got hit out of it.

Tenshinhan did a 16 hit combo and got the Four Star Ball. Part of him being unfinished?

I'm still miffed by the reality that SSB Goku isn't the all arounder they said. We won't be able to see the extent to which his rushdown is good enough until later; right now everyone gets in for free.

They didn't touch on Yamcha's Kamehameha or SSB Vegeta's move that looks like a grab, among other things.

[Nickolaidas]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.

Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

Really curious to see how this will play out.

[FortuneSSJ]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.
Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

They will probably break the controller and say the game is shit, while going back to Xenoverse and play with their OC character.

[Nickolaidas]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.
Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

They will probably break the controller and say the game is shit, while going back to Xenoverse and play with their OC character.

Hah!

[Olympian]

Time Breaker Yamcha will be waiting for them.

There is no escape.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

The way I like to remember Yamcha is before he was a complete joke - he used to be "know-stuff-about-martial-artists" guy. He had heard of Goku's "grandfather" Son Gohan, he had heard of Muten Roshi's Kamehameha, he knew about the Boss Rabbit's ability to turn people into carrots, and he gave us insight into King Chapa's history. Would've been cool to see a Yamcha vs adult Goku match where he at least held his own because of having studied Goku's fighting style for so many years. But oh well.

Tenshinhan, meanwhile, was "learn-any-technique-just-by-seeing-it-once" guy. He did it with the Kamehameha and the Mafuba, at least. He was aware of the Kaio-Ken existing (he talked about Goku having access to it), and while we've never seen any evidence of him mastering it, I like to think he at least applied the essence of it to the Kikoho to create the Shin Kikoho. He did say something along the lines of (paraphrasing from manga chapter 261) "I can't hope to surpass Goku by receiving the same training, but if I master the essentials and add a few twists of my own, I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat..."

Just my two cents. I refuse to think of these awesome characters as jokes or mere background filler to be ignored. I love 'em, will absolutely play as them, so glad they are in the game, is it February yet?

[Olympian]

Fandom likes to mix gag elements in narrative with being a joke. A joke character is what Mr Satan is, the guy who doesn`t understand or believes in Ki, who thought it was all lightshows and tricks and these guys were all martial arts actors of stage magicians.

Yamcha`s shyness of pretty girls of similar ages (not just "girls", he had no issue knocking the younger Chi Chi out) is clearly a gag elemento contrasting with the tuff guy image he had. He shows up to steal valuables and a clear rep that freaks out everyone save Goku. But he`s not only a thief, he was also capable of more. After he gets finally pissed at Goku (that would be after the 4th break Wall panel) he had no qualms in his intent to kill him if it wasn`t for Bulma to suddently wake up. He`s the most bad lucked out of the whole cast but never at the expense at his Martial prowess which is what fandom continuily and wrongly mistakes with being a joke, aka a Dan-lite charater prototype of SF fame. No, again, that`s Mr Satan the guy who believes he`s number one without any of the skills to back it up and is more interested in autographs and selling his image. That guy that every one of the z figthers just stared at him the first time and said "whatthehell?".

Proof of what I`m saying is actually easy to find, unlike with Satan, Yamucha`s defeats have the usual lip service about how good he is. Roshi told him his style was too flashy while Goku was telling Kuririn he couldn`t believe the old man to be this good exactly because Yamcha with that style had fought him before and we all know how close matched they were. Tenshinhan was arrogant when he came on but even he remarques how Yamcha was actually much stronger than he was cocky. His fight with Shen demostrates this thesis the best. Everyone tough Yamcha finally lucked out and had this in the bag because of the general perception of Shen`s character and up until Shen reveals himself Yamcha is made fun at by Shen`s seemigly lucky breaks (again, reminding that at the Bodukais they all had embarassing moments - Tenshinhan is patsied right after) but as soon Shen drops the charade what happens? Everyone is dumfucked at how good he is. Nobody is laughing because when that mask fell it wasn`t a case of Yamcha clowning anymore but a case of that opponent being on a level that was making everyone looking in awe. Roshi was in disbelif at the fluid motions he had, Tenshinhan - the guy who would later challenge Goku for being slower than him. was in awe of his speed. Kuririn looked like he was on crack trying to figure out what was happening. The only ones who never changed their expressions from the beginning was Goku because he saw throught the charade and Yajirobe because he lost to Shen in the premis.

Yamcha isn`t a joke character as written by Toryama. He`s a jobber. People forget that when Kuririn suffered the same fate in having to face the person who would go to the Final with Goku (which was Yamcha`s bad luck pattern) he faired as well. Which is the same as saying: he didn`t go further the 1rst round of the finals either.

People also conviniently forget (it doesn`t suit their narrative) that at Baba`s Demon Toilet - the other main tournament of the DB earlier era, it`s Yamcha`s wits/prowess that could clean the first two rounds and despite losing to the Mummy, he`s about the first person to almost knock the Mummy off his ring considering what the others say. Kuririn already had 5 years worth of training under Roshi and doesn`t go past Drácula man. Yamcha had none and reaches 3rd round.

My excuses for being off topic in this post alone, I`ll go back to the main topic at hand now.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.

Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

Really curious to see how this will play out.

If I remember correctly Yamcha was #1 (or 2?) of the top tier in Budokai 3.

[Nickolaidas]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.

Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

Really curious to see how this will play out.

If I remember correctly Yamcha was #1 (or 2?) of the top tier in Budokai 3.

Really? Well, I guess back then the TFS craze wasn't as strong and the Yamcha memes weren't as widespread as they are now.

[Nickolaidas]

People also conviniently forget (it doesn`t suit their narrative) that at Baba`s Demon Toilet - the other main tournament of the DB earlier era, it`s Yamcha`s wits/prowess that could clean the first two rounds and despite losing to the Mummy, he`s about the first person to almost knock the Mummy off his ring considering what the others say. Kuririn already had 5 years worth of training under Roshi and doesn`t go past Drácula man. Yamcha had none and reaches 3rd round.

No.

It's KRILLIN's wits first, and Yamcha's prowess second. Dracula was beaten by Puar and Upa, who were instructed by Krillin. Yamcha had nothing to do with round 1.

Round two is a mixed bag. Yamcha couldn't fight the invisible man until Krillin tricked him into talking and revealing his position, causing Yamcha to hit him a few times. Then, when Baba played the distraction game too, Yamcha couldn't do anything. Then KRILLIN, thought of the Roshi/Bulma/Boob/Blood combo and turned Invisible Man to Mustard Man. THEN, Yamcha beats him (easily).

So, in a way, both rounds had Krillin-heavy-assists. Neither Puar, nor Upa, nor Yamcha would've beaten their opponents if it wasn't for the bald monk.

[Olympian]

People also conviniently forget (it doesn`t suit their narrative) that at Baba`s Demon Toilet - the other main tournament of the DB earlier era, it`s Yamcha`s wits/prowess that could clean the first two rounds and despite losing to the Mummy, he`s about the first person to almost knock the Mummy off his ring considering what the others say. Kuririn already had 5 years worth of training under Roshi and doesn`t go past Drácula man. Yamcha had none and reaches 3rd round.

No.

It's KRILLIN's wits first, and Yamcha's prowess second. Dracula was beaten by Puar and Upa, who were instructed by Krillin. Yamcha had nothing to do with round 1.

Round two is a mixed bag. Yamcha couldn't fight the invisible man until Krillin tricked him into talking and revealing his position, causing Yamcha to hit him a few times. Then, when Baba played the distraction game too, Yamcha couldn't do anything. Then KRILLIN, thought of the Roshi/Bulma/Boob/Blood combo and turned Invisible Man to Mustard Man. THEN, Yamcha beats him (easily).

So, in a way, both rounds had Krillin-heavy-assists. Neither Puar, nor Upa, nor Yamcha would've beaten their opponents if it wasn't for the bald monk.

Not so fast

Neither in the manga or anime Kuririn makes part of the plan to take down Fangs and in the manga Yamcha is the one to claim ownership. This shouldn`t be surprising considering when Puar is involved is usually to follow Yamcha`s lead (like subduing Oozaru Goku)

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In the second instance as he sees Yamcha initially having trouble with the Invisble Man he does ask Goku to bring Bulma and Roshi to the place BUT the main difference, as the following pages show..

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is that Yamcha on his own finds a way to figure out where Sukesan is and strikes him. Baba then proceeds to cheat and sing so he can`t focus where the opponent is. It is then, not before, that kuririn makes use of his plan. This shows Yamcha didn`t require Kuririn`s plan to win the bout if not for Baba`s singing. It shows he would have - not simply could have.

Of course, I give Kuririn credit for his wits here but overall this arc is more about Yamcha`s gut and general prowes than Kuririn`s, after all, the end of this arc is where he`s accepted by Roshi as the new student.

[Olympian]

Really interested to see how the community will feel about Yamcha when pros will terrorize other players with him.

Will they take him more seriously? Will they finally give him the respect he so much deserves?

Really curious to see how this will play out.

If I remember correctly Yamcha was #1 (or 2?) of the top tier in Budokai 3.

I think it`s in 3. His Wolf Fang Fist had invencibility properties. He`s also pretty good in Tenkaichi 3 with his melle and Sokidan doing high damage (that I recall) and he wouldn`t waste much bar for his nornals.

[Nickolaidas]

Whoa, I stand corrected. This is a serious distortion of events between the manga and the anime.

Yup, in the manga Yamcha is clearly the brains of the operation.

Mea culpa mon frere, this round is yours!

[Olympian]

Nah, no problem at all mate

[KorgDTR2000]

Getting back to the game, it looks like Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho has enough power to almost completely deplete an opponent's health bar, if you have 7 bars of meter, but the cost to health doesn't seem particularly high. I wonder if there'll be a way to get out from under it and make him waste a shot. Otherwise it could be devastating.

[Olympian]

Kikoho seems pretty beastly, Waiting to see what is the drawback if any and how much health it will cost. Pleaaase award him Kiai in his moveset. It was a big deal in the Bodukais and is a great counter design.

The main thing I notice about Yamcha in the (not full) gameplay video - apart from liking how lvl 3 looks (still little sense of damage scale to compare with)- is the sideswitch used against Vegeta. I wouldn`t mind a parry..or a grab move like that one he makes at Tenshinhan in the 22nd.

[Noah]

New gameplay videos!

God, I swear the only thing that I might not like in this game is the no one-on-one battle option, but everything else looks so fine!

[FortuneSSJ]

God, I swear the only thing that I might not like in this game is the no one-on-one battle option, but everything else looks so fine!

Isn't funny the only thing, gameplay wise, this game lacks so far to keep some people fully satisfied is a simple 1 vs 1 option?! I'm in the same boat than you.
In fact, I would like to have different kind of options besides the confirmed 3 vs 3 like 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 or even handicap options like 1 vs 2 and 1 vs 3.

[Ranmaru Rei]

Isn't funny the only thing, gameplay wise, this game lacks so far to keep some people fully satisfied is a simple 1 vs 1 option?! I'm in the same boat than you.
In fact, I would like to have different kind of options besides the confirmed 3 vs 3 like 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 or even handicap options like 1 vs 2 and 1 vs 3.

Did you played Skullgirls? It is 3vs3 game in general, but it has option for playing 1 or 2 characters instead. And in 1vs3 match, you don't feel handicaped, because game is adjusting stats - you have in this case some damage and health boost.