BlueVegerot wrote:I don't think Freeza or Toppo are close to Sidra in power and I think he's one of the weaker hakaishins.
Sidra gave the dog a small amount of energy which the dog then split into 3 pieces and hit freeza with one. True Golden Freeza had to put in a good amount of effort in order to escape it and then compress it. Now SSB KKx20 Goku I think could be on par with Sidra if not beyond him
Nah I'm pretty sure sidra is above that as well
Maybe but there are a couple things that point to Goku being somewhere in the ballpark of Sidra
1. Rou saying "power that rivals the gods" and Sidra calling him terrifying
Again we don't know where the gods stack against each other in strength we only have these....
1.Beerus and champa are equal in strength
2.liqour,iwan,arak are on par with each other
3.quitela beat beerus in the manga in arm wrestling but beerus refuted it.wait and see if the anime follows up in this and also his rival
4.jiren is around god of destruction level
5.a mortal a god can't beat exist whether it's power or hax we have to see
BlueVegerot wrote:I don't think Freeza or Toppo are close to Sidra in power and I think he's one of the weaker hakaishins.
Sidra gave the dog a small amount of energy which the dog then split into 3 pieces and hit freeza with one. True Golden Freeza had to put in a good amount of effort in order to escape it and then compress it. Now SSB KKx20 Goku I think could be on par with Sidra if not beyond him
Nah I'm pretty sure sidra is above that as well
Maybe but there are a couple things that point to Goku being somewhere in the ballpark of Sidra
1. Rou saying "power that rivals the gods" and Sidra calling him terrifying
Now leap Goku's power 20 fold and I think you'd have a great fight
1.Sidra could be shocked that a mortal could have god ki and be that strong plus I wouldn't take too much in that considering beerus was worried a bit about ssjb kk back in u6 saga despite knowing he could stomp him along with champa who got scared when hit and goku glanced at him.
2.that depends if he knows how strong sidra is at full power and sidra stated to him he could kill freeza and we saw freeza struggle to compress his destruction ball which contain only a small amount of his energy
What I always see stated as fact all the time is that Sidra used only a small fraction of his power of destruction making it much weaker than what he could ordinarily manage, but I've never seen anyone make the case that, isn't it entirely possible that there is actually no difference in the potency of Sidra's, or any other God of Destruction's, Hakai energy no matter how "little" of it is being used at one time? It's just energy and/or a technique that annihilates whatever you use it on, no matter what, at least in theory. So, while it is possible that Frieza and Goku survived Sidra's energy because it was some sort of weaker, lesser Hakai attack entrusted to a servant, I think it's equally possible that it was full-fledged, 100% pure Hakai, packaged in a small, easily controlled form so as to only destroy Frieza, or even if the servant missed, only destroy one person or person-sized thing.
Ziegander wrote:What I always see stated as fact all the time is that Sidra used only a small fraction of his power of destruction making it much weaker than what he could ordinarily manage, but I've never seen anyone make the case that, isn't it entirely possible that there is actually no difference in the potency of Sidra's, or any other God of Destruction's, Hakai energy no matter how "little" of it is being used at one time? It's just energy and/or a technique that annihilates whatever you use it on, no matter what, at least in theory. So, while it is possible that Frieza and Goku survived Sidra's energy because it was some sort of weaker, lesser Hakai attack entrusted to a servant, I think it's equally possible that it was full-fledged, 100% pure Hakai, packaged in a small, easily controlled form so as to only destroy Frieza, or even if the servant missed, only destroy one person or person-sized thing.
Except, Sidra specifically stated that it was just "some" Hakai energy.
Ziegander wrote:What I always see stated as fact all the time is that Sidra used only a small fraction of his power of destruction making it much weaker than what he could ordinarily manage, but I've never seen anyone make the case that, isn't it entirely possible that there is actually no difference in the potency of Sidra's, or any other God of Destruction's, Hakai energy no matter how "little" of it is being used at one time? It's just energy and/or a technique that annihilates whatever you use it on, no matter what, at least in theory. So, while it is possible that Frieza and Goku survived Sidra's energy because it was some sort of weaker, lesser Hakai attack entrusted to a servant, I think it's equally possible that it was full-fledged, 100% pure Hakai, packaged in a small, easily controlled form so as to only destroy Frieza, or even if the servant missed, only destroy one person or person-sized thing.
Except, Sidra specifically stated that it was just "some" Hakai energy.
My point being that any amount of Hakai energy is still Hakai energy. It's entirely possible that any amount of Hakai energy is sufficient to utterly destroy whatever it's meant to destroy. My point being that Hakai doesn't work like an energy attack. It's entirely possible that it's binary: either it can destroy and does, or, in the case of Frieza/Goku, it can't so it doesn't. Of course Sidra can create "more" Hakai energy, even to the point where I assume he can wear himself out by mustering enough Hakai to destroy entire galaxies or something, but that doesn't make "more" Hakai more powerful than "some" Hakai, it just means there's more to go around.
Let me put it another way. Against an inanimate object, let's say Hakai can destroy any object that's not Kachi Katchin, just for demonstration purposes (I'm sure Sidra or any other God of Destruction can Hakai Kachi Katchin away if they want). Sidra can't put more power into his Hakai to overwhelm the Kachi Katchin and destroy it. His Hakai simply doesn't destroy something that strong. Likewise, he doesn't need to use a "weaker" Hakai to destroy granite, his Hakai is just Hakai, he uses however much he needs to destroy whatever volume of granite he's looking to destroy, and poof goes the granite. When a God of Destruction uses Hakai to destroy, let's say, a bee hive - my suggestion is that it's no weaker, and takes no less effort, then using Hakai to destroy a planet.
Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
[spoiler]And Jiren is stated to only be warming up.[/spoiler]
- Base Goku battles Ribiranne and the battle is pretty even with the pair of them exchanging offence
- Goku fights Jiren, going though all of his Saiyan transformations (apart from SSJ3) and Jiren just stands and tanks every Goku throws at him.
- Goku goes SSJB and he and Jiren skirmish
- Goku use the Kaioken (times 20) on top of SSJB sporadically to try and gain an advantage but it doesn't make a difference as Jiren still ragdolls SSJB Goku
- Goku gathers energy for the Genkia Dama, as all of Universe 7 (apart from Beerus and Whis), give energy to him. (Yes, even Freeza)
- Base Vegeta blast Ribiranne
- Jiren pushes back the Genki Dama with one hand. Goku pushes it back with the SSJB/Kaiokenx20. Jiren pushes back even harder (with two hands)
- The tug of war continues with the Genki Dama radically changing in size
- Whis confirms the rumour that there is a mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
- The Genki Dama disappears and turn into what seems to be a black hole/void and Goku is consumed by after he falls into it exhausted from trying to force the Genki Dama towards Jiren
- Goku reappears... WITH A NEW FORM.
- Goku with his new form catches Jiren off guard.
- Goku (in his new form) man-handles both Toppo and Dyspo at the same time. Even more impressive, Goku waltzes through Toppo's Justice Flash
- Goku's new form grants his the ability of Mastery of Self-Movement/Secret of Selfishness (Something even the Hakaishin struggle with)
- Goku (in his new form) fights evenly with Jiren
- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.
- Goku new form expires
- Hit attacks Jiren after Jiren blasts away Goku but Jiren blocks Hit's attack (Thanks to Pannaliciour for pointing that out. I missed that.)
- Goku disappears and Freeza closes him in for the kill(?)
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Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Yeah from what Herms says, Jiren is indeed stronger than a God of Destruction. I suppose the website was sorta right but a little off.
Looks like Goku was probably as strong as Jiren but ran out of energy quick but in that form he is likely also stronger than a God of Destrutcion at this point as well.
I'll have to watch it all again to remember the details, but the thing that was most confusing is again probably Ribrianne. I did miss most of that though because the stream went.
- Base Goku battle Ribiranne and the battle is pretty even with the pair of them exchanging offence
- Goku fights Jiren, going though all of his Saiyan transformations (apart from SSJ3) and Jiren just stands and tanks every Goku throws at him.
- Goku goes SSJB and he and Jiren skirmish
- Goku use the Kaioken (times 20) on top of SSJB sporadically to try and gain an advantage but it doesn't make a difference as Jiren still ragdolls SSJB Goku
- Goku gathers energy for the Genkia Dama, as all of Universe 7 (apart from Beerus and Whis), give energy to him. (Yes, even Freeza)
- Base Vegeta blast Ribiranne
- Jiren pushes back the Genki Dama with one hand. Goku pushes it back with the SSJB/Kaiokenx20. Jiren pushes back even harder (with two hands)
- The tug of war continues with the Genki Dama radically changing in size
- Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
- The Genki Dama disappears and turn into what seems to be a black hole/void and Goku is consumed by after he falls into it exhausted from trying to force the Genki Dama towards Jiren
- Goku reappears... WITH A NEW FORM.
- Goku with his new form catches Jiren off guard.
- Goku (in his new form) man-handles both Toppo and Dyspo at the same time. Even more impressive, Goku waltzes through Toppo's Justice Flash
- Goku's new form grants his the ability of Mastery of Self-Movement/Secret of Selfishness (Something even the Hakaishin struggle with)
- Goku (in his new form) fights evenly with Jiren
- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.
- Goku new form expires
- Goku disappears and Freeza closes him in for the kill(?)
Did he also gather energy from Krillin, Tien and Roshi? And if so, wouldn't that be considered cheating.
Where did you watch the entire episode? I only got to watch the first 15 mins before the one I was watching got taken down, and then I couldn't find another one.
- Base Goku battle Ribiranne and the battle is pretty even with the pair of them exchanging offence
- Goku fights Jiren, going though all of his Saiyan transformations (apart from SSJ3) and Jiren just stands and tanks every Goku throws at him.
- Goku goes SSJB and he and Jiren skirmish
- Goku use the Kaioken (times 20) on top of SSJB sporadically to try and gain an advantage but it doesn't make a difference as Jiren still ragdolls SSJB Goku
- Goku gathers energy for the Genkia Dama, as all of Universe 7 (apart from Beerus and Whis), give energy to him. (Yes, even Freeza)
- Base Vegeta blast Ribiranne
- Jiren pushes back the Genki Dama with one hand. Goku pushes it back with the SSJB/Kaiokenx20. Jiren pushes back even harder (with two hands)
- The tug of war continues with the Genki Dama radically changing in size
- Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
- The Genki Dama disappears and turn into what seems to be a black hole/void and Goku is consumed by after he falls into it exhausted from trying to force the Genki Dama towards Jiren
- Goku reappears... WITH A NEW FORM.
- Goku with his new form catches Jiren off guard.
- Goku (in his new form) man-handles both Toppo and Dyspo at the same time. Even more impressive, Goku waltzes through Toppo's Justice Flash
- Goku's new form grants his the ability of Mastery of Self-Movement/Secret of Selfishness (Something even the Hakaishin struggle with)
- Goku (in his new form) fights evenly with Jiren
- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.
- Goku new form expires
- Goku disappears and Freeza closes him in for the kill(?)
Did he also gather energy from Krillin, Tien and Roshi? And if so, wouldn't that be considered cheating.
Where did you watch the entire episode? I only got to watch the first 15 mins before the one I was watching got taken down, and then I couldn't find another one.
Ribrianne got a power boost/ability upgrade from Helles and other eliminated members of Universe 2 literally sharing their love (energy) with her. Everything seems to be fair game.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
- Base Goku battle Ribiranne and the battle is pretty even with the pair of them exchanging offence
- Goku fights Jiren, going though all of his Saiyan transformations (apart from SSJ3) and Jiren just stands and tanks every Goku throws at him.
- Goku goes SSJB and he and Jiren skirmish
- Goku use the Kaioken (times 20) on top of SSJB sporadically to try and gain an advantage but it doesn't make a difference as Jiren still ragdolls SSJB Goku
- Goku gathers energy for the Genkia Dama, as all of Universe 7 (apart from Beerus and Whis), give energy to him. (Yes, even Freeza)
- Base Vegeta blast Ribiranne
- Jiren pushes back the Genki Dama with one hand. Goku pushes it back with the SSJB/Kaiokenx20. Jiren pushes back even harder (with two hands)
- The tug of war continues with the Genki Dama radically changing in size
- Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
- The Genki Dama disappears and turn into what seems to be a black hole/void and Goku is consumed by after he falls into it exhausted from trying to force the Genki Dama towards Jiren
- Goku reappears... WITH A NEW FORM.
- Goku with his new form catches Jiren off guard.
- Goku (in his new form) man-handles both Toppo and Dyspo at the same time. Even more impressive, Goku waltzes through Toppo's Justice Flash
- Goku's new form grants his the ability of Mastery of Self-Movement/Secret of Selfishness (Something even the Hakaishin struggle with)
- Goku (in his new form) fights evenly with Jiren
- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.
- Goku new form expires
- Goku disappears and Freeza closes him in for the kill(?)
Great summary but you forget one thing: Hit attacked Jiren the moment Jiren blasted Goku away in the end. And Jiren blocked it
- Base Goku battle Ribiranne and the battle is pretty even with the pair of them exchanging offence
- Goku fights Jiren, going though all of his Saiyan transformations (apart from SSJ3) and Jiren just stands and tanks every Goku throws at him.
- Goku goes SSJB and he and Jiren skirmish
- Goku use the Kaioken (times 20) on top of SSJB sporadically to try and gain an advantage but it doesn't make a difference as Jiren still ragdolls SSJB Goku
- Goku gathers energy for the Genkia Dama, as all of Universe 7 (apart from Beerus and Whis), give energy to him. (Yes, even Freeza)
- Base Vegeta blast Ribiranne
- Jiren pushes back the Genki Dama with one hand. Goku pushes it back with the SSJB/Kaiokenx20. Jiren pushes back even harder (with two hands)
- The tug of war continues with the Genki Dama radically changing in size
- Whis confirms the rumour that there is mortal stronger than a Hakaishin and Vermoud double confirms this by pretty much all but stating that it is Jiren.
- The Genki Dama disappears and turn into what seems to be a black hole/void and Goku is consumed by after he falls into it exhausted from trying to force the Genki Dama towards Jiren
- Goku reappears... WITH A NEW FORM.
- Goku with his new form catches Jiren off guard.
- Goku (in his new form) man-handles both Toppo and Dyspo at the same time. Even more impressive, Goku waltzes through Toppo's Justice Flash
- Goku's new form grants his the ability of Mastery of Self-Movement/Secret of Selfishness (Something even the Hakaishin struggle with)
- Goku (in his new form) fights evenly with Jiren
- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.
- Goku new form expires
- Goku disappears and Freeza closes him in for the kill(?)
Great summary but you forget one thing: Hit attacked Jiren the moment Jiren blasted Goku away in the end. And Jiren blocked it
Damn Hit and his Time Skip. I must have blinked and missed that moment.
I'll edit that in. Thanks for pointing that out.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Disregarding the Jiren parts of the episode. Base Goku didn't seem to be far from Super Ribranne yet he went Blue to one shot her. Does that prove the two base theory? I mean, if he was on par with her in base than a lower Super Saiyan form should have been enough to perform the same feat. One thing there is to notice is that whenever Goku uses the super strong Base he goes straight to Blue afterward (Freeza, Hit, Gotenks).
The NEP also shows Hit getting his ass kick by Jiren. Like... that fight is so one-sided, it's almost unfair. Hit is so gonna get stomped next week. Hell, you literally see it in the preview.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
- The strongest fighter from Universe 2 is Base Saiyan tier. Woah, disappointing. Plus she was getting beat up by Base Vegeta, when he fought her evenly as a Super Saiyan like 10 mins before? Yeah, all clear. But the anime's better than the manga1!1
- Goku's new form is something else. He's as strong as Jiren (mowhere near his full power of course), this feat puts him above everything we've seen in Super. Even Blue Vegetto.
Lord Beerus wrote:The NEP also shows Hit getting his ass kick by Jiren. Like... that fight is so one-sided, it's almost unfair. Hit is so gonna get stomped next week. Hell, you literally see it in the preview.
Stomp?!.....Its gonna be a bloody massacre!
Edit: Give Hit credit though, it takes a pretty brave main to knowingly walk towards that kind of ass wooping!.
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Zamasu55 wrote:The strongest fighter from Universe 2 is Base Saiyan tier. Woah, disappointing. Plus she was getting beat up by Base Vegeta, when he fought her evenly as a Super Saiyan? Yeah, all clear. But the anime's better than the manga1!1
How did you come to that conclusion when there are still fighters from Universe 2 we haven't seen in action yet?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
