Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Ribrianne really should be above Jimizu who was above Base Gohan.

So she was either messing about with Base Goku or Base Goku is quite a bit stronger than Base Gohan which he probably should be anyway.

[SansrivaaL]

- Goku charges at Jiren with everything he has... and Jiren blocks Goku's Limit Breaking punch like it was nothing and blasts him away.

Just to make this one clear, try pausing at the moment when Goku was just about to punch Jiren, his eyes turn pure black again, his Migatte No Goku'i expires before his punch reaches Jiren, tho his aura still remained... I'm not sure anymore haha.

[ZombieVito]

Hold on a freaking second.

Let me get this straight. Ribrianne first fights Super Saiyan Vegeta on somewhat of an equal ground and then she powers up and fights 17 and she holds her own but after powering up yet again she can't beat base Goku?



I guess Frost being weaker than base Vegeta wasn't that much of a crazy idea after all.

Whatever.

[Bullza]

So do we say Jiren and Goku are above Super Saiyan Blue Vegito and Merged Zamasu now? It kinda seems like they really should be.

[SansrivaaL]

So do we say Jiren and Goku are above Super Saiyan Blue Vegito and Merged Zamasu now? It kinda seems like they really should be.

They should be.. SSJBKK(?)Goku with one kick sent MZamasu flying and broke his huge back white circle thingy, while Jiren was barely feeling SSJBKKx20.

[ZombieVito]

So do we say Jiren and Goku are above Super Saiyan Blue Vegito and Merged Zamasu now? It kinda seems like they really should be.

Jiren is stronger than Quitela so yes but not by much IMO.

Jiren = Ultra Goku > Quitela > Beerus ~ SSB Vegetto > Fused Zamasu.

I do wonder if Zamasu is stronger than Vegetto when he gets big. He does tank the Final Kamehameha after all.

[Hellspawn28]

Shin mention Jiren being the strongest person that he has seen yet. I think that means Jiren is stronger than Merged Zamasu.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Goku fought Ribrianne in "base" and then went straight from "base" to Super Saiyan Blue. His kick in Blue didn't even seriously damage her. Goku also powered down from God into "base" before transitioning to Blue against Jiren, so.

[Cipher]

Chiming in here for a hot second: The gods seem relatively impressed with Ribrianne. For me she tracks as a vaguely "Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3"-tier character, which is quite strong in the grand scheme of things, and I'm just not too fussed about her bout with base Goku. He goes Blue by the end anyway.

[brett wheeler]

So as far as I can tell it goes
ULTA instinct goku=jiren<=hakiashins<=vegito blue<merged zamasu<ssbkk×20<ssb=true golden frieza
Wow goku powered right the hell up with this form, considering beerus can man handle ssb like its not a big deal if he wanted to and goku equaled or site passed that yikes beerus might want to watch his temper before he gets his ass beat

[AvatarReiko]

So is Jiren stronger than Belmod? They seemed to be implying that he was but never outright came out with it.

[brett wheeler]

So this is my tier list so far
[spoiler]God of destruction and above tier
Ultra instinct goku
Jiren
Above ssb tier
Ssbkk×20
Toppo
High Ssb tier
Ssb goku
Ssb Vegeta
True golden frieza
Hit
Low ssb tier
Ult gohan
17
Ssj berserk kale
Maby super rebrianne
Ssg tier
Dyspo
Ssg goku and vegeta
Ssj2 tier
Ssj2 kalifla
Ssj2 goku and vegeta
Ssj tier
Maggeta
Ssj kalifla
Ssj cabba
Ssj goku and vegeta
Base tier
Final form frieza
base goku and vegeta
Base caba
Base kalifla
Below base tier
Everybody else[/spoiler]
I probably missed a lot of characters but I got the most important, ones also I didn't pure gohan in any tier besides low ssb because I don't think he is as strong as people think he is strong but not that strong, also I put frost at weaker than the base saiyans altho not much same for gohan.

[LowRyder2005]

Shin mention Jiren being the strongest person that he has seen yet. I think that means Jiren is stronger than Merged Zamasu.

Seems to be the case.
Well... I overall like this because only for the fact it somewhat lends credence to my headcanon that Vegito is the same entity, strength-wise, from the Buu arc. Pure headcanon it is, but it solves the scaling problems.

Regarding the current episode, and other than the Ribrianne shenanigans (gonna put her in a general SS tier with fluctating power, but she certainly shouldn't be anywhere close Blue) I'm mostly intrigued by Krillin implying that some factor of Goku's KK power would match Jiren.

The blunder looks a little strange, for starters, since he should be well accustomed to Goku's Blue power. Better yet, I'd like to bring everyone's attention to something else. Namely, how does he sense it? Is it because he can understand Blue power or just because he get that some undiscernible power is multiplied two, three or four times? I think it's probable he's confusing Kaioken * 10 with Kaioken * 20 -- then again the visual cue also looked off, since Kaioken * 10's glare made Goku's skin look red and his hair white. Alas, just what kind of Kaioken does he think Goku's using already?

Krillin thinks Goku is using Kaioken * 2 = Jiren is ten times the power of KK * 20 Goku = 200 times the power of SSB.
Krillin thinks Goku is using Kaioken * 4 = Jiren is five times the power of KK * 20 Goku = 100 times the power of SSB.
Krillin thinks Goku is using Kaioken * 10 = Jiren is two times the power of KK * 20 Goku = 40 times the power of SSB.

Leaning towards the last hypothesis, for more than one reason, but it's some interesting food for thought.
Regarding the Krillin thing, I've also remembered he already can't beat the base Gohan who still sucks compared to his Cell Game self. I think many will be forced to re-evaluate the general idea behind how God ki is perceived. I believe people strong enough will be able to sense it by default, but otherwise it simply may have to do with getting acclimated to its "flavor"; much like base Goku and base Vegeta are able to sense it despite now being in the same ballpark of #18.

So this is my tier list so far

It looks more or less fair, but Jimeze literally can't be above Final Form Freeza.

[emperior]

Jiren is on par or slightly stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku.

[brett wheeler]

So this is my tier list so far

It looks more or less fair, but Jimeze literally can't be above Final Form Freeza.

Yea I fixed that

[Zamasu55]

So do we say Jiren and Goku are above Super Saiyan Blue Vegito and Merged Zamasu now? It kinda seems like they really should be.

They're not 'above'.
They would kill them simply by looking at them.

[Zamasu55]

Jiren is on par or slightly stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku.

He was holding back.

[Cetra]

Jiren = Ultra Goku > Quitela > Beerus ~ SSB Vegetto > Fused Zamasu.

I do wonder if Zamasu is stronger than Vegetto when he gets big. He does tank the Final Kamehameha after all.

I guess at this point Jiren and Goku are so ridiculously strong that Zamasu only was better when he was universal and only beatable by Zen-Oh? Anime Zamasu, of course.

[emperior]

Jiren is on par or slightly stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku.

He was holding back.

Yes, I actually believe he's a lot stronger than what he's shown so far, but Ultra Instinct Goku is also stronger than that. He was running on very low stamina and was evolving throughout the fight.

As for Zamasu, he's obviously weaker than Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku.

[Sora Saiyan]

I wonder how much stronger Jiren is in comparison to Goku KKx20, I mean he was full on tanking blows from Goku, and we had it confirmed he wasn't near full power. I was originally thinking Ultra instinct Goku would be 50x SSJB, but after Jirens display, (when has anybody full on tanked a blow in super?) I can't see it only being that small. His full power is gonna be scary.

Personally I'm gonna wait for the manga to try and gauge this new forms power, as I find it much better overall in the power scaling department, though, it's still far from perfect.