ChiefWamsutta wrote:I look at everything like this: How can I find a solution to make all 110 episodes of DBSuper work consistently?
The best idea I could come up with is that Goku is able to obviously use Base, SS1, SS2, and SS3.
The Episode 14 Super Saiyan that was at the strength of SSGod has bugged me for the longest time. I think the Godly Super Saiyan and Godly Base that Goku use during Episode 14 could be considered the Saiyan Beyond God and Super Saiyan Beyond God.
Maybe we stop seeing the Godly Super Saiyan because Goku masters perfect ki control and this Godly Super Saiyan turns into Super Saiyan Blue.
We saw the Godly Base form for a while because Goku had not yet perfected the ki control to make this Godly Base turn into Super Saiyan God.
My hypothesis is that perfect ki control changes the forms into SSG and SSB. This would explain where the Godly Base and Godly Super Saiyan of Episode 14 went. We immediately see the Godly Super Saiyan go away, and SSBlue arrives. Godly Base hangs around awhile and when Goku reintroduces SSGod the Godly Base is gone. This encompasses everything: Goku absorbed the power of SSGod into his Base and SS1 forms. So he has: Base, SS1, SS2, SS3, Godly Base, Godly SS1. With the help of Whis he learns about ki leakage that helps turn his Godly Base and Godly SS1 into SSGod and SSBlue.
***Obviously, this is poor production and communication of Goku's powerscaling, but in order to make all 110 episodes work consistently I believe this will do.***
Other than Goku's Super Saiyan being not that strong after absorbing God, I found out the series works consistently with the one simple assumption that Goten, Trunks and Gotenks had completely abandoned training and that their high power in the Buu saga was the product of consistent exercise in general; Goku's base really looks nowhere around the strong guys in the Buu arc, at most falling around some vague old Super Saiyan tier closer to #18; the contention he'd beat even Good Buu at this point just doesn't hold up to me. He can't overcome Basil and people weaker than Basil (!) who are already ants to Majin Buu, needs to be saved by #18 (who can hurt Tupper, who can bind Goku, with #18 probably being able to lift way more than Goku*) and turns Super Saiyan against a Super Saiyan Gohan who's outright referenced as weaker than both Ultimate Gohan AND Super Saiyan Gohan from the Cell Game many times in many different episodes.
Of course, this would mean entertaining the possibility Goten and Trunks regressed to really low levels (including Ginyu Force levels, namely) and there is at least one hiccup: namely, Piccolo acting as if base Gotenks being defeated in BOG is something relatively notworthy. But it's honestly nothing compared to the sheer number of contradictions and absurd writing/dialogue choices related to assuming that base Goku and everyone who's above him can fingerflick SS3 Gotenks from the Buu arc -- and SS3 Goku, and easily overcome Ultimate Gohan, etc. If that doesn't work, then Copy Vegeta power can reach Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's
without underdoing mutations (the only thing we know is that he does possess "all of Vegeta's power"), with a visibile transformation triggered only when using God ki because of the effect he had on its body; this with the usual sandbagging against Goku up until they both go Blue.
Finally, having Super Saiyan Gohan around the Mecha Freeza Arc Saiyans in base (with his Super Saiyan being marginally above his base form from the Cell Game) with his Ultimate non-usable form being above Piccolo also works best and I think is probably the best. This way Gohan can generally be interpreted to be the strongest, Gohan's statements about Tagoma make sense and are not completely off, Trunks' statements about Gohan's strength make sense and are not completely off, no absurd theories about Gohan and Piccolo increasing their power a hundred of times in months or days of daily routine when years ago they wouldn't even become two times stronger in six years. It's a charm, really.
I still tend to consider the option that Goku can raise his power freely from regular base to "half Super Saiyan levels" or something, also, since the base in ROF presented some clear characteristics; but at this point it's something that I feel could be more arbitrary than needed to make Gotenks not regress that much. Since it's unclear how much can someone regress through total lack of training over months or years and not even the Buu arc clarifies this in clear terms, it's fair game to put anyone of the halfling Saiyans wherever you want.
* As for that matter, Toei's website clarifies that Tupper got eliminated (if further clarification was necessary to begin with) because his weight was too much for the ring, meaning that even with the hypothesis that Tupper "lowered his weight" when he detached himself from Goku, the idea is obviously for Tupper to always be at a level relatively close to break the Katchi Katchin. Since it's implied Goku can't take the weight of Tupper the moment he starts raising his weight (gaining the skeleton-like features), which is before the Katchi Katchin breaks there's a really high chance #18 is appreciably above base Goku, and not just around him. Most certainly, she categorically isn't written as far lower than him.
