TheOne wrote:Was anybody else curious as to why none of the exempt gods of destruction were not overly impressed with Jiren? They kinda gave a compliment to Goku during the Spirit Bomb, but it was like an aristocratic compliment. Like, they're strong for being in such a weak universe. The conclusion I've drawn so far is that the exempt universes have nurtured their universes so well, that they have mortals there who or are just as strong as them and Jiren. We have evidence that strength does play a part in mortal levels.
Thoughts?
U1's Kai said he was quite impressed with Jiren especially.
I said aristocratic compliments. Meaning that "that's not bad seeing as how low your universes mortal level is.." The same way Goku was impressed with Trunks when they met up. He's strong, but he's stronger. U1s Supreme Kai has most likely seen more impressive fighters in his universe.
I threw around the idea that the weakest fighters in the top universe might be as strong as Frieza in the Namek saga.
Someone help me out right here, I just learn about cut scene during 109 that was missing in chruchroll and I watch alter of it, which one is real thing we are going with for storyline to move foward?
vashter wrote:Someone help me out right here, I just learn about cut scene during 109 that was missing in chruchroll and I watch alter of it, which one is real thing we are going with for storyline to move foward?
Xeogran wrote:SS Ikari sounds like the thing only Trunks should have. His whole life is despair so this is kinda understandable. Caulifla has no reason to be that mad.
Easy way to fix it, have someone kill Kale. What if in episode 114, Freeza shows up, and attacks Kale to the point she dies? Freeza already setting his eyes on the U6 saiyans after witnessing Cabba/Vegeta moment in episode 112.
Oh sure, like Freeza would risk whatever he is planning in this Tournament by getting disqualified for killing a Saiyan from another universe because of his grudge.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:
Oh sure, like Freeza would risk whatever he is planning in this Tournament by getting disqualified for killing a Saiyan from another universe because of his grudge.
Outstanding sense of logic there, mate.
Remember what he said when he was beating up Jimizu? If he died after he got tossed out of the arena, Freeza would be safe because he never broke the rules. They could attempt to do a similar thing if Freeza meets the girls and trashes Kale.
Maybe at the end of the tournament, to showcase their universes' superiority, the exempted universes will bring a fighter each for a friendly with ToP's MVP(s).
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
emperior wrote:Maybe at the end of the tournament, to showcase their universes' superiority, the exempted universes will bring a fighter each for a friendly with ToP's MVP(s).
Oh that'd be interesting. I don't know how that would work but it would be something interesting to introduce four chosen warriors from each of the top universes as a means to hype up an event in the future.
Like how they had Zen Oh show up and they mentioned the Tournament of Power all the way back then. If they did something else similar for another arc someday involving the better universes then that'd be good because it would also guarantee the series wouldn't be ending anytime soon.
Perhaps another Tournament like the Universe 6 Tournament except on one side you'd have the best fighters from across this Tournament and then on the other side you'd have the best fighters from the Top 4 Universes.
emperior wrote:Maybe at the end of the tournament, to showcase their universes' superiority, the exempted universes will bring a fighter each for a friendly with ToP's MVP(s).
Once you bring the idea of a friendly it loses all steam after something as big and heavy as people fighting for their literal existence, on top of that we don't actually know if the exempt universes even have stronger fighters. Personally after the ToP more fighting is the last thing I want, I would rather we have 20 episodes of silly shenanigans!!
TheOne wrote:Was anybody else curious as to why none of the exempt gods of destruction were not overly impressed with Jiren? They kinda gave a compliment to Goku during the Spirit Bomb, but it was like an aristocratic compliment. Like, they're strong for being in such a weak universe. The conclusion I've drawn so far is that the exempt universes have nurtured their universes so well, that they have mortals there who or are just as strong as them and Jiren. We have evidence that strength does play a part in mortal levels.
Thoughts?
U1's Kai said he was quite impressed with Jiren especially.
I said aristocratic compliments. Meaning that "that's not bad seeing as how low your universes mortal level is.." The same way Goku was impressed with Trunks when they met up. He's strong, but he's stronger. U1s Supreme Kai has most likely seen more impressive fighters in his universe.
I threw around the idea that the weakest fighters in the top universe might be as strong as Frieza in the Namek saga.
I like this idea.They are patronising the low level universes.The magazine also said that U1 has some races that are only spirits.So,it should not be surprising if we get more powerful and hax mortals.I am especially looking for hax.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
emperior wrote:Maybe at the end of the tournament, to showcase their universes' superiority, the exempted universes will bring a fighter each for a friendly with ToP's MVP(s).
Once you bring the idea of a friendly it loses all steam after something as big and heavy as people fighting for their literal existence, on top of that we don't actually know if the exempt universes even have stronger fighters. Personally after the ToP more fighting is the last thing I want, I would rather we have 20 episodes of silly shenanigans!!
Yamcha and island filler might be just for you.
Why power levels are important?
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I think I figured out goku "heat", when whis, jiren, tien mention heat, I realize the promo had two different picture one with a shirt on, other is shirtless, the thing is the fire around him.. he probably holding the heat without realizing it, and need to release it free up the UI ? (look at shirtless promo with fire aura) that probably the actual heat itself maybe? what you think? the blue with shirtless was just a damn small showcase.. until he shirtless then that the real transformation
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emperior wrote:Maybe at the end of the tournament, to showcase their universes' superiority, the exempted universes will bring a fighter each for a friendly with ToP's MVP(s).
Once you bring the idea of a friendly it loses all steam after something as big and heavy as people fighting for their literal existence, on top of that we don't actually know if the exempt universes even have stronger fighters. Personally after the ToP more fighting is the last thing I want, I would rather we have 20 episodes of silly shenanigans!!
I agree with you please not another tournament for awhile
And I also wouldn't mind a few slice of life episodes before we start the next arc. Maybe not 20 but a breather would be nice.
TheOne wrote:Was anybody else curious as to why none of the exempt gods of destruction were not overly impressed with Jiren? They kinda gave a compliment to Goku during the Spirit Bomb, but it was like an aristocratic compliment. Like, they're strong for being in such a weak universe. The conclusion I've drawn so far is that the exempt universes have nurtured their universes so well, that they have mortals there who or are just as strong as them and Jiren. We have evidence that strength does play a part in mortal levels.
Thoughts?
When Arack talked about low universes having such mortals, it made me think his universe has some fighters beyond Jiren
I really doubt it. Also, the 4 Gods were surprised like the others, but their universes are not participants, so i doubt that they really care.
TheOne wrote:Was anybody else curious as to why none of the exempt gods of destruction were not overly impressed with Jiren? They kinda gave a compliment to Goku during the Spirit Bomb, but it was like an aristocratic compliment. Like, they're strong for being in such a weak universe. The conclusion I've drawn so far is that the exempt universes have nurtured their universes so well, that they have mortals there who or are just as strong as them and Jiren. We have evidence that strength does play a part in mortal levels.
Thoughts?
When Arack talked about low universes having such mortals, it made me think his universe has some fighters beyond Jiren
I really doubt it. Also, the 4 Gods were surprised like the others, but their universes are not participants, so i doubt that they really care.
Yeah they were surprised, but it was a different kind of surprise. None of the exempt universes were sweating while everyone involved was. Notice U1s Supreme Kai. He's not as blown away by the thought of this like everyone else.
Not exactly sure why you want me to be wrong. If Jiren is the ceiling, it's only a matter of time before Goku catches up. Then where does he go? They have to be involved with exempt universes at some point. You telling me that they won't have an enemy that can stand up to Goku in those universes once he catches up to Jiren? You can't go straight to Angels after this. It'd be suicide
Why is no one even picking up on how cool and collected Vegeta was during that entire fight save for when goku made the spirit bomb and jiren and he clashed with it? I know Vegeta has much respect for Goku and isn't who he used to be. they're rivals and borderline friends. i thought it was really nice how interested he was in seeing what Goku was capable of doing but even at the end, he brushed off Goku's accomplishments and was not even shaken aftering seeing everything from even Jiren. He's been taking it easy as much as Goku. I think he may have something up his sleeve.
Zamasu is the best DB villain besides Freeza (and this is only the case because the current Super arc elevated Freeza to be that good).
Nero<>Akira wrote:Why is no one even picking up on how cool and collected Vegeta was during that entire fight save for when goku made the spirit bomb and jiren and he clashed with it? I know Vegeta has much respect for Goku and isn't who he used to be. they're rivals and borderline friends. i thought it was really nice how interested he was in seeing what Goku was capable of doing but even at the end, he brushed off Goku's accomplishments and was not even shaken aftering seeing everything from even Jiren. He's been taking it easy as much as Goku. I think he may have something up his sleeve.
It reminded me of Vegeta during the first fight of Beerus vs. Goku. Note, how he caught him in the end.
perucho1990 wrote:Maybe Vegeta learned the Gamma Burst Flash and at full power he is at least Kaioken Goku level?
That would be way too low for Vegeta to be that calm. My idea is that he's started to learn how to move the body on his own but hasn't mastered it yet obviously.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
I was having similar thoughts as to Vegeta being quiet and lack of awe about Gokus transformation. But at the same time, we know Frieza probably doesn't have anything up his sleave power wise so the same could be said for Vegeta.
Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for Vegeta to have a transformation or something of his own, but I just don't think it's in the cards right now unfortunately.
A better look at the December IBK Dragon Memories SSGSS Vegeta and Goku:
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A perfect way for SSGSS Goku to bow out before Ultra Instinct starts taking over merchandise from 2018. Might be the last SSGSS related merch I ever get (hersey I know!!)
i will not be surprised if Vegeta's trump card is mastered ssb. it would be stupid (again) since the point of "mastered ssb" is what SSb is to begin with. no ki leakage and the process of acquiring god ki too. they gave Goku his strategy from the manga so i wouldn't be surprised if they do that with him and his power grows to levels that don't make sense just like Goku's in the manga lol they already did the whole SSB wears you down thing but you can chalk that up to prolonged extended use especially for a tournament that would last 48 minutes.
Zamasu is the best DB villain besides Freeza (and this is only the case because the current Super arc elevated Freeza to be that good).
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