"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

HIT IS OUT!!!!!

It is almost certainly up to the Namekians to save Universe 6 now.

So U6 the next to be erased.

[Kinokima]

A cour is 13 episodes and Dragon ball Super does not work like that only with its new endings every 12 episodes. This anime is continous so new arcs start at any time.

If Hit is the only fighter out next episode then we will be averaging 3.33 eliminations per episode. 50 eliminations divided by 15 episodes. If it continued like that then it would end in episode 120. Fights at the end of the arc are generally longer as well so that is why I say episode 125. We will also have a few episodes after the tournament is finished for the wish and probably Frieza.

Fair enough but I don't even know why we are debating because even if its not for the same reason we roughly agree the amount of the episodes the arc will end at.

[Lord Beerus]

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

[HeroR]

I give Toei credit for not playing it safe. Could have easily just have Hitto last several more episodes.

Toriyama decide the elimination order, so if Hit is next, he's next.

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

The summaries usually don't lie about ring-outs like with Krillin. How it happened maybe but not that it happened. With Kale, it was only said that Jiren defeated with a single attack, but it never said she was out as another example. Also "never having lost in a one-on-one battle", are we forgetting that Goku floored him with a single Kamehameha in their rematch?

[namekiansaiyan]

HIT IS OUT!!!!!

It is almost certainly up to the Namekians to save Universe 6 now.

So U6 the next to be erased.

It sounds like you might agree with me regarding the Universe 6 Namekians.

I give Toei credit for not playing it safe. Could have easily just have Hitto last several more episodes.

Toriyama decide the elimination order, so if Hit is next, he's next.

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

The summaries usually don't lie about ring-outs like with Krillin. How it happened maybe but not that it happened. With Kale, it was only said that Jiren defeated with a single attack, but it never said she was out as another example. Also "never having lost in a one-on-one battle", are we forgetting that Goku floored him with a single Kamehameha in their rematch?

That was a draw and not a Goku win.

[Shaqazooloo]

First Cabba tried to ring out Vegeta, but now Veggie is trying to save Cabba. Doesn't make much sense tbh. Prolly has to do with different writers working on different episodes.

Why not
cabba the only person vegeta likes from u6 and has a connection with
Sure he has to beat him but doesn't mean he wouldn't try to help him

Pretty sure he's referring to how in episode 100 they had Cabba uncharacteristically march up to Vegeta and basically say "it's time to retire old man!" and now it seems like that never happened. The logical step of progression I think would've been for Cabba or Vegeta to challenge the other.

I honestly just chalk this up as this arc having no direction. Seriously half of it feels like they're making this stuff up as they go, like 1-3 weeks before the episode airs. Episode 100 was basically just crap that they thought looked cool.

[pacz360]

First Cabba tried to ring out Vegeta, but now Veggie is trying to save Cabba. Doesn't make much sense tbh. Prolly has to do with different writers working on different episodes.

Why not
cabba the only person vegeta likes from u6 and has a connection with
Sure he has to beat him but doesn't mean he wouldn't try to help him

Pretty sure he's referring to how in episode 100 they had Cabba uncharacteristically march up to Vegeta and basically say "it's time to retire old man!" and now it seems like that never happened. The logical step of progression I think would've been for Cabba or Vegeta to challenge the other.

I honestly just chalk this up as this arc having no direction. Seriously half of it feels like they're making this stuff up as they go, like 1-3 weeks before the episode airs. Episode 100 was basically just crap that they thought looked cool.

That's probably cabba way of impressing his master in terms of attitude instead of acting like a whimp

[Kinokima]

I am really loving that Vegeta and Goku are taking the U6 Saiyans under their wings (but don't neglect your own sons you two when you get back to Earth) but it would have been cool if Gohan could have gotten a student too. Actually I think Kale would have been perfect for Gohan (she's not much of a fighter until she gets angry).

Strategy wise helping the U6 Saiyans doesn't make sense but Goku helping others to get stronger has always been his thing.

Vegeta has also helped villains get stronger because of his pride and arrogance and he paid for it. Hopefully in this case since he is doing something for someone else he won't have to pay for it. lol

As for Cabba trying to attack Vegeta and then Vegeta saving him later. I don't see any a contradiction here. Vegeta would be proud that Cabba tried to face him in combat.

And I can see Vegeta feeling a sort of affinity to the U6 Saiyans. I just hope these relationships continue beyond this arc so I hope U6 isn't permanently erased. I need them to visit Planet Sadala.

[pacz360]

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

Hit is the type to go down in a fight no way he's going to quit when his universe is on the line

[pacz360]

I am really loving that Vegeta and Goku are taking the U6 Saiyans under their wings (but don't neglect your own sons you two when you get back to Earth) but it would have been cool if Gohan could have gotten a student too. Actually I think Kale would have been perfect for Gohan (she's not much of a fighter until she gets angry).

Strategy wise helping the U6 Saiyans doesn't make sense but Goku helping others to get stronger has always been his thing.

Vegeta has also helped villains get stronger because of his pride and arrogance and he paid for it. Hopefully in this case since he is doing something for someone else he won't have to pay for it. lol

As for Cabba trying to attack Vegeta and then Vegeta saving him later. I don't see any a contradiction here. Vegeta would be proud that Cabba tried to face him in combat.

And I can see Vegeta feeling a sort of affinity to the U6 Saiyans. I just hope these relationships continue beyond this arc so I hope U6 isn't permanently erased. I need them to visit Planet Sadala.

I want gohan to come along with them to planet sadala would be cool

[Son Vegito]

Pretty sure he's referring to how in episode 100 they had Cabba uncharacteristically march up to Vegeta and basically say "it's time to retire old man!" and now it seems like that never happened. The logical step of progression I think would've been for Cabba or Vegeta to challenge the other.

I honestly just chalk this up as this arc having no direction. Seriously half of it feels like they're making this stuff up as they go, like 1-3 weeks before the episode airs. Episode 100 was basically just crap that they thought looked cool.

Yep thanks for pointing out.

Just bad communication between the writers I think. Same with Ribrianne's sneaky attemp to attack Goku even though she was crying about it when Android 17 did the same. You can find these mistakes in almost every episode in the ToP so far.

[HeroR]

HIT IS OUT!!!!!

It is almost certainly up to the Namekians to save Universe 6 now.

So U6 the next to be erased.

It sounds like you might agree with me regarding the Universe 6 Namekians.

I give Toei credit for not playing it safe. Could have easily just have Hitto last several more episodes.

Toriyama decide the elimination order, so if Hit is next, he's next.

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

The summaries usually don't lie about ring-outs like with Krillin. How it happened maybe but not that it happened. With Kale, it was only said that Jiren defeated with a single attack, but it never said she was out as another example. Also "never having lost in a one-on-one battle", are we forgetting that Goku floored him with a single Kamehameha in their rematch?

That was a draw and not a Goku win.

Hit got a floored by a single Kamehameha without Goku even using the Kaioken despite all the hits Hit landed on him. And to add to this, Hit was trying to kill Goku, while Goku clearly hung back since, again, he didn't used the Kaioken or a full powered Kamehameha that melted Merged Zamasu's face.

Pretty sure he's referring to how in episode 100 they had Cabba uncharacteristically march up to Vegeta and basically say "it's time to retire old man!" and now it seems like that never happened. The logical step of progression I think would've been for Cabba or Vegeta to challenge the other.

I honestly just chalk this up as this arc having no direction. Seriously half of it feels like they're making this stuff up as they go, like 1-3 weeks before the episode airs. Episode 100 was basically just crap that they thought looked cool.

Yep thanks for pointing out.

Just bad communication between the writers I think. Same with Ribrianne's sneaky attemp to attack Goku even though she was crying about it when Android 17 did the same. You can find these mistakes in almost every episode in the ToP so far.

For love of, that isn't how this works. The writers talk to each other and know what one another are doing along the director of the series who leads the script. I am not sure why Super fans keep thinking that all the writers work in a vacuum or something.

And Ribrianne is a hypocrite, that isn't hard to figure out.

[Kinokima]

I am really loving that Vegeta and Goku are taking the U6 Saiyans under their wings (but don't neglect your own sons you two when you get back to Earth) but it would have been cool if Gohan could have gotten a student too. Actually I think Kale would have been perfect for Gohan (she's not much of a fighter until she gets angry).

Strategy wise helping the U6 Saiyans doesn't make sense but Goku helping others to get stronger has always been his thing.

Vegeta has also helped villains get stronger because of his pride and arrogance and he paid for it. Hopefully in this case since he is doing something for someone else he won't have to pay for it. lol

As for Cabba trying to attack Vegeta and then Vegeta saving him later. I don't see any a contradiction here. Vegeta would be proud that Cabba tried to face him in combat.

And I can see Vegeta feeling a sort of affinity to the U6 Saiyans. I just hope these relationships continue beyond this arc so I hope U6 isn't permanently erased. I need them to visit Planet Sadala.

I want gohan to come along with them to planet sadala would be cool

Me too and Goten and Trunks. It could be a father/son trip to Planet Sadala.

I guess not everyone would like that type of arc because it would be very Saiyan focused. But what can I say I love the Saiyans. And I think dealing with some internal strife on the U6 Saiyan world could make for a great story. Not really sure if Super is up for that type of Plot though. But this would be my dream type of arc.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I give Toei credit for not playing it safe. Could have easily just have Hitto last several more episodes.

Toriyama decide the elimination order, so if Hit is next, he's next.

I usually don't much stock into episode summary previews, considering how much they've lied in the past, but given we see tat Jiren is no-selling Hit Time-Skip included abilities, as well as literally stomping him in the ground, it gives the preview more credence that Hit is not only going to eliminated, but will also be eliminated by Jiren. I'm hoping that Hit takes a "know when to fold them" kind of approach and just eliminates himself, just to retain the mystique of never having lost in a one-on-one battle.

The summaries usually don't lie about ring-outs like with Krillin. How it happened maybe but not that it happened. With Kale, it was only said that Jiren defeated with a single attack, but it never said she was out as another example. Also "never having lost in a one-on-one battle", are we forgetting that Goku floored him with a single Kamehameha in their rematch?

We dont know he chose the order do we? I think its more likely he told them who the last competitors would be, any important specific eliminations probably including Hit, but I doubt he wrote most of the fodder out.

Could be wrong, just my own speculation as of now.

[Zamasu55]

So Hit leaves the stage after having eliminated less people than Master Roshi and Krillin. Nice one.

I knew he was gonna job to Jiren, but I didn't think he'd go this soon.

Toyotaro will have to fix this one too. And I think Hit will be stronger than before.

PS: Oh, Freeza's next on Jiren's list. Brace yourselves.

[Whatever]

I am really loving that Vegeta and Goku are taking the U6 Saiyans under their wings (but don't neglect your own sons you two when you get back to Earth) but it would have been cool if Gohan could have gotten a student too. Actually I think Kale would have been perfect for Gohan (she's not much of a fighter until she gets angry).

Strategy wise helping the U6 Saiyans doesn't make sense but Goku helping others to get stronger has always been his thing.

Vegeta has also helped villains get stronger because of his pride and arrogance and he paid for it. Hopefully in this case since he is doing something for someone else he won't have to pay for it. lol

As for Cabba trying to attack Vegeta and then Vegeta saving him later. I don't see any a contradiction here. Vegeta would be proud that Cabba tried to face him in combat.

And I can see Vegeta feeling a sort of affinity to the U6 Saiyans. I just hope these relationships continue beyond this arc so I hope U6 isn't permanently erased. I need them to visit Planet Sadala.

Gohan is still a student himself and he cannot even take care of himself in the battlefield,he is in no position to teach anyone.
Not to mention Kale has anger issues,not like Gohan can help her in that department,he kinda grew out of his own anger issues.

[HeroR]

We dont know he chose the order do we? I think its more likely he told them who the last competitors would be, any important specific eliminations probably including Hit, but I doubt he wrote most of the fodder out.

Could be wrong, just my own speculation as of now.

Why would Toriyama leave the elimination order to Toei and Toyo? He can just make a list on who goes first to last.

So Hit leaves the stage after having eliminated less people than Master Roshi and Krillin. Nice one.

I knew he was gonna job to Jiren, but I didn't think he'd go this soon.

Toyotaro will have to fix this one too. And I think Hit will be stronger than before.

PS: Oh, Freeza's next on Jiren's list. Brace yourselves.

That isn't what job means and Hit in the manga was weaker than anime Hit. And I loved the "Toyotaro will have to fix this one" before you even watch the episode.

[pacz360]

We dont know he chose the order do we? I think its more likely he told them who the last competitors would be, any important specific eliminations probably including Hit, but I doubt he wrote most of the fodder out.

Could be wrong, just my own speculation as of now.

Why would Toriyama leave the elimination order to Toei and Toyo? He can just make a list on who goes first to last.

So Hit leaves the stage after having eliminated less people than Master Roshi and Krillin. Nice one.

I knew he was gonna job to Jiren, but I didn't think he'd go this soon.

Toyotaro will have to fix this one too. And I think Hit will be stronger than before.

PS: Oh, Freeza's next on Jiren's list. Brace yourselves.

That isn't what job means and Hit in the manga was weaker than anime Hit. And I loved the "Toyotaro will have to fix this one" before you even watch the episode.

Plus what make people think toyotaro is gonna do better in terms of handling the characters
Piccolo barely even had a fight with frost in the manga while the anime gave him more of a shot

[Son Vegito]

For love of, that isn't how this works. The writers talk to each other and know what one another are doing along the director of the series who leads the script. I am not sure why Super fans keep thinking that all the writers work in a vacuum or something.

And Ribrianne is a hypocrite, that isn't hard to figure out.

Ofcourse they talk about it together, but they have a very tight schedule since it's a weekly series. They tell the synopnis of their episodes, but obviously not the details. It's just not possible with a weekly series.

And I used the Brianne scene as an example, there are many more. The tournament stage went from katchi katchin to being made out some kind of rock. Goku forgot who the female saiyans were in another episodes even though they were introduced to each other in the first ep of the ToP. Android 18 went from being in shock from Krillin's elimination after he saved her to being a dick towards him in the next episode and calling him names even though she was just as naive in the episode before etc.

I mean just look at SSJB. It's obvious the writers have a different opinion on how it works each their own. One sees it as perfect Ki control, the other as stamina draining, the other is in the middle etc.

[Zamasu55]

We dont know he chose the order do we? I think its more likely he told them who the last competitors would be, any important specific eliminations probably including Hit, but I doubt he wrote most of the fodder out.

Could be wrong, just my own speculation as of now.

Why would Toriyama leave the elimination order to Toei and Toyo? He can just make a list on who goes first to last.

So Hit leaves the stage after having eliminated less people than Master Roshi and Krillin. Nice one.

I knew he was gonna job to Jiren, but I didn't think he'd go this soon.

Toyotaro will have to fix this one too. And I think Hit will be stronger than before.

PS: Oh, Freeza's next on Jiren's list. Brace yourselves.

That isn't what job means and Hit in the manga was weaker than anime Hit. And I loved the "Toyotaro will have to fix this one" before you even watch the episode.

Hit eliminated less people than the likes of Roshi, Krillin and has the same amount as Tienshinhan.

That's what Toyotaro has to fix.