Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

I can't see Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 being as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito.

Vegito is possibly God of Destruction level himself going by the manga. Goku was not until he got his new form.

I would have also have said that the fusion boost would have multiplied Goku's power dozens of fold as it seems to in the Buu Saga but seeing what the boost did for Goku Black I ain't so sure now.

[ZombieVito]

I can't see Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 being as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito.

Vegito is possibly God of Destruction level himself going by the manga. Goku was not until he got his new form.

I would have also have said that the fusion boost would have multiplied Goku's power dozens of fold as it seems to in the Buu Saga but seeing what the boost did for Goku Black I ain't so sure now.

If we go by the Daizenshuu then Vegetto is over 400 times stronger than regular Goku. Kaioken x20 Goku isn't touching Vegetto.

Merged Zamasu isn't that strong initially because Zamasu is way weaker than Goku Black. Look at Kibitoshin, he wasn't dozens of times stronger than Shin because of Kibito.

[JazzMazz]

I can't see Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 being as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Vegito.

Vegito is possibly God of Destruction level himself going by the manga. Goku was not until he got his new form.

I would have also have said that the fusion boost would have multiplied Goku's power dozens of fold as it seems to in the Buu Saga but seeing what the boost did for Goku Black I ain't so sure now.

If we go by the Daizenshuu then Vegetto is over 400 times stronger than regular Goku. Kaioken x20 Goku isn't touching Vegetto.

Merged Zamasu isn't that strong initially because Zamasu is way weaker than Goku Black. Look at Kibitoshin, he wasn't dozens of times stronger than Shin because of Kibito.

Where does it say in the Daizenshuu that Vegetto is 400 times stronger than regular Goku?

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Judging by how much trouble Gohan was having against Super Saiyan 2 Goku, I have a hard time believing that he could even force Jiren to move(though he probably will later down the line because the anime is hardly consistent).

[TheMikado]

Yeah kinda strange that Hit was even able to hit Jiren at all considering that Goku couldn't even with the Kaioken x20. He only even hit him once with Ultra Instinct as well.

I still have him as being a bit lower than just the ordinary Super Saiyan Blue Goku so he should get completely destroyed. I'd hope not though.

This does not necessarily mean that Hitto is stronger than Goku SSB KK X20.

His fighting style is peculiar, and Hitto uses techniques that allow him to face beings more powerful than him.
We saw that he killed Goku with only one punch when using his killer technique, even if it was impossible if he casually punched Goku, since he is weaker (in terms of power) than Goku himself.
With Time Skip he was also able to face Goku SSB KK X10 even though he was much weaker.

Yup, Hit has precision and skill that allows him to damage and injure opponents far stronger than him. That's what I believe Goku is learning.

[Shlugo]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Not well. Aside from UI Goku there's no one in this tournament who can measure up to Jiren.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Not well. Aside from UI Goku there's no one in this tournament who can measure up to Jiren.

And Hit is only doing so well from the looks of things thanks to his powerful and unconventional abilities.

I think the only other thing that would have a chance against Jiren would be the Mafuba, and nobody's left to do that besides Goku.

[BlueBasilisk]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Gohan got OHKOed by Kaioken Goku. He's not even remotely a challenge for Jiren.

[JazzMazz]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Gohan got OHKOed by Kaioken Goku. He's not even remotely a challenge for Jiren.

Yet people still insist his going to be the one to take out Jiren.

[BlueBasilisk]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Gohan got OHKOed by Kaioken Goku. He's not even remotely a challenge for Jiren.

Yet people still insist his going to be the one to take out Jiren.

Only after he gets Super Saiyan White and takes down El Grande Padre!

I mean, if Gohan fought Jiren after he'd exhausted most of his ki and had the crap beaten out of him, I guess he could, but at that point there would be several other people who could defeat Jiren as well.

[ekrolo2]

Would Hit have attacking Jiren during Goku's their Genki Dama struggle have worked on him at all?

[BlueVegerot]

Also, how do people believe Gohan compares to Jiren?

Gohan got OHKOed by Kaioken Goku. He's not even remotely a challenge for Jiren.

Yet people still insist his going to be the one to take out Jiren.

You doubt GODhan bro? When Gohan releases his SSJ White power, Jiren will fall to his feet.

[STH]

Beyond God Goku is stronger than kid buu. Not base.

They aren't separate things.

Unless you mean Base Goku at the start of Super wasn't stronger than Kid Buu which would be correct because he wasn't even as strong as Frieza. Since the Resurrection F saga and all his training with Whis however his Base form was superior to Kid Buu.

In my opinion they are separate things.
Like Mystic/ultimate Gohan and Base Gohan.

Base Goku is as strong as Goku in Buu Saga.
Beyond God (/God-like) Goku is far stronger than SSJ3 Goku in Buu saga.

[BlueVegerot]

Rank these 3 :

SS Ikari Trunks

Mystic Gohan

17

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Rank these 3 :

SS Ikari Trunks

Mystic Gohan

17

Given their performance against Goku (Black) and similar opponents, I'd honestly just put all of them into the same category. Strong, able to give current SSB Goku/Vegeta a good fight, but not quite yet on their level.

[Liquir]

Even tho it's too early to Rank some beings, since we have low or no information of their powers, tho, what would the Potential Rankings stand as of now, with the current information we posses.

Gods Of Destruction = Mid-High Universal
Mortals above Gods of Destruction = Universal
Angels / Zeno's Attendants = Universe +
Zeno / Grand Priest / Super Shenron ( Dragon God Zarama ) = Multiverse ( + )
Tori - Bot ( Serious ) = All of Existence

Improve / Disprove the Rankings.... State your Rankings as well.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Even tho it's too early to Rank some beings, since we have low or no information of their powers, tho, what would the Potential Rankings stand as of now, with the current information we posses.

Gods Of Destruction = Mid-High Universal
Mortals above Gods of Destruction = Universal
Angels / Zeno's Attendants = Universe +
Zeno / Grand Priest / Super Shenron ( Dragon God Zarama ) = Multiverse ( + )
Tori - Bot ( Serious ) = All of Existence

Improve / Disprove the Rankings.... State your Rankings as well.

Honestly....... I think we need to be careful about ranking destructive potential for the Angels.

On the thread I've made to discuss the Ultra Instinct, we dabbled with the idea that the Angels don't have high power levels by traditional DB standards, that their usage of Ultra Instinct is what makes them "stronger" than the Gods of Destruction they attend to. After all, if the body can react and fight on its own, why couldn't it also regulate its power into focused precision strikes that can hit opponents above one's "regular" power level?

It'd also explain why only Zeno and the Gods of Destruction are played up for their ability to destroy Universes, if they're the ones with traditionally high power levels by the usual standards of this franchise.

[Liquir]

Honestly....... I think we need to be careful about ranking destructive potential for the Angels.

On the thread I've made to discuss the Ultra Instinct, we dabbled with the idea that the Angels don't have high power levels by traditional DB standards, that their usage of Ultra Instinct is what makes them "stronger" than the Gods of Destruction they attend to. After all, if the body can react and fight on its own, why couldn't it also regulate its power into focused precision strikes that can hit opponents above one's "regular" power level?

It'd also explain why only Zeno and the Gods of Destruction are played up for their ability to destroy Universes, if they're the ones with traditionally high power levels by the usual standards of this franchise.

Indeed, it's a good bases for a theory. Tho there is an instance in the DBS Anime where Vados displays Planetary Destruction ability, with no effort involved, which prompts me to believe they could have Universal Destruction level as well.
[spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMHzXeSP6rw[/spoiler]

[supercat]

People seem to be putting way too much thought into abilities. Power levels have been pretty straight forward throughout the series, and usually when there is something that bypasses strength or puts a weakling higher up on the powerscale, the reason is clearly explained. Piccolo vs Frost is a great example of this. Weakling vs stronger fighter, but the weakling is somehow able to avoid instant defeat with his strategy, while the stronger fighter is completely exhausted.

There is nothing wrong with ridiculous power ups where characters are supposed to get stronger. And even if some of the power ups don't make sense, why bother making up some farfetched theory just to justify it?

[The gr]

How strong is dyspo is,is he stronger than SSBKKX10 in u6 or below it as well toppo is he stronger than SSBKK

[Hugo Boss]

Would Hit have attacking Jiren during Goku's their Genki Dama struggle have worked on him at all?

I don’t think so. If he could push back the genkidama with a look, he could defend himself like he did in the end of the episode.