Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[supercat]

How strong is dyspo is,is he stronger than SSBKKX10 in u6 or below it as well toppo is he stronger than SSBKK

Dyspo is probably on par with or a bit stronger than SSB Goku from the Universe 6 tournament on the low end, but could very well be pretty close to SSB Kaioken X10.

SSB Kaioken x10: 10
Dyspo: 3-8
SSB Goku (Universe 6): 1

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Honestly, I have Dyspo pretty low, given how well a regular daikaiju was restraining him.

Dyspo has more trouble moving when caught by Maji Kayo than SS Goku did. He'd be weaker than the Super Saiyans in this tournament with that in mind.

So, in this case, it's DEFINITELY his speed that's allowing him to perform so well. And I'd buy it as well. Jiren doesn't seem to be part of the main active lineup of Pride Troopers, so Toppo is the powerhouse leader of the Troopers, and Dyspo has the greatest speed. Like Burter, actually. He's the Burter of the group, with one of his traits being disproportionately higher relative to his other stats. Only this time, he actually IS the fastest in the Universe. Or at least HIS Universe.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

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[Bullza]

In the fight between Ultra Instinct Goku and Jiren, the two were supposed to be shaking the World of Void.

Is that a more impressive feat than Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus threatening to destroy the Universe with a few punches?

The World of Void was said to be made of infinite nothingness afterall. They didn't threaten to destroy it but if Goku learned how to master that technique against Beerus then chances are that wouldn't happen anyway anymore.

It's also impressive that Super Saiyan God Goku had enough power to actually punch the universe into oblivion with Beerus and then Jiren is able to stop all these punches with his one finger.

Jiren's finger >>>> Universe

[avasatu]

Jiren shook the world of void by...walking? And Goku did it without even being powered up...

Finite universe being destroyed by 3 shockwaves slowly <<<<< Infinite world with no time and space shaking because you exist.

Dyspo is between SSG and SSB.

Do you guys think suppressed Jiren (during spirit bomb) = G.O.D., or full power Jiren? Whis' statements make me think something more like the latter, and the Supreme Kai's make me think more like the former.

Also, Ultra Instinct Goku >> SSB Vegito (at least from the Black arc, maybe even now), yes? Heavily suppressed Jiren was strongly implied if not directly stated to the the strongest opponent SK had ever seen up until now, so including MZ. Jiren then powered up two more times and was losing to Ultra Instinct Goku until he decided to bother powering up to the point where he had an aura.

[CJStriker_CBR]

Scale Ribrianne for me please

Her base form seems to be weaker than Base Goku, and while her Super Form is stronger, it's probably not overwhelmingly so, since Base Goku could still tangle with her relatively easily.

I been Watching and Anazyling Ribrianne's Fights Maybe More they Any Fan Around and so with that said, what so far I got from those fights and My Scaling Her from those;

1.) Ribrianne Fought SSJ-Vegeta Easy and Laughed about it, So ~~~~ Ribrianne > SSJ!

2.) Ribrianne Fought Android 17 on Equal Footing and Brook his Shield Easy and did not Tire or Gain Damage, So ~~~~ Ribrianne at Least SSJ-3 to Red Level!

3.) The Base Goku Fight is Weird and Lazy, some, also me as well, said it is most likely both where not serious during it, but the only really take of ablity to take from it I saw ~~~~~~~~ SSJ-Blue Goku's Surprise Attack on Ribrianne did NO Damage to her or Tired her out, the fight only stopped cause Jiren Entered the Picture, So ~~~~~ Ribrianne can at least take hits from SSJ-Blue with No Damage!

Final Verdict So Far;

Ribrianne is at Least when she is Serious at SS-God/Red Level but I think likely she is able to Fight on a Blue Level!

[avasatu]

I’m not sure about this. This past episode seemed to imply that the Saiyans are using at least yellow SS off of suppressed states (Goku stating he needed to use “more power,” and finally going full power in base vs Jiren). My guess is that she’s SS3-SSG powerful, but base form level technician. She’s a poor fighter.

My other guess is that Toei is now self aware that she is in fact a troll character not meant to be seriously scaled, and that’s what I’m currently favoring.

[BWri]

Scale Ribrianne for me please

Her base form seems to be weaker than Base Goku, and while her Super Form is stronger, it's probably not overwhelmingly so, since Base Goku could still tangle with her relatively easily.

I been Watching and Anazyling Ribrianne's Fights Maybe More they Any Fan Around and so with that said, what so far I got from those fights and My Scaling Her from those;

1.) Ribrianne Fought SSJ-Vegeta Easy and Laughed about it, So ~~~~ Ribrianne > SSJ!

2.) Ribrianne Fought Android 17 on Equal Footing and Brook his Shield Easy and did not Tire or Gain Damage, So ~~~~ Ribrianne at Least SSJ-3 to Red Level!

3.) The Base Goku Fight is Weird and Lazy, some, also me as well, said it is most likely both where not serious during it, but the only really take of ablity to take from it I saw ~~~~~~~~ SSJ-Blue Goku's Surprise Attack on Ribrianne did NO Damage to her or Tired her out, the fight only stopped cause Jiren Entered the Picture, So ~~~~~ Ribrianne can at least take hits from SSJ-Blue with No Damage!

Final Verdict So Far;

Ribrianne is at Least when she is Serious at SS-God/Red Level but I think likely she is able to Fight on a Blue Level!

I wouldn't be surprised if she was low tier SSB level. The story treats her like she's strong. I myself am thinking SSJ3 - Red level. Near or a little below #17. They'll probably have another fight if Vegeta doesn't soon eliminate her.

[Miracles]

Whis never stated Jiren is the mortal stronger than a god.
This is how the fandom gets in trouble. Then blames TOEI.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Whis never stated Jiren is the mortal stronger than a god.
This is how the fandom gets in trouble. Then blames TOEI.

As said by others, the rumour didn't go that there was a mortal that was explicitly stronger than a God of Destruction. The rumour was that there was a mortal whom a God of Destruction couldn't defeat.

Upon seeing Jiren's power, Whis says that the rumour is true. He also states that Jiren is most definitely on the level of a God of Destruction, and may possible surpass it. So yes, Jiren IS the mortal that Whis was talking about episodes ago, we just misinterpreted his actual knowledge on the matter, as it turns out it was just an unconfirmed rumour until he saw Jiren's power.

[Miracles]

As said by others, the rumour didn't go that there was a mortal that was explicitly stronger than a God of Destruction. The rumour was that there was a mortal whom a God of Destruction couldn't defeat.

Upon seeing Jiren's power, Whis says that the rumour "APPEARS" is true. He also states that Jiren is most definitely on the level of a God of Destruction, and may "PERHAPS" surpass it. So yes, Jiren IS the mortal that Whis was talking about episodes ago, we just misinterpreted his actual knowledge on the matter, as it turns out it was just an unconfirmed rumour until he saw Jiren's power.

Fixed for canon accuracy.
You better check again.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

As said by others, the rumour didn't go that there was a mortal that was explicitly stronger than a God of Destruction. The rumour was that there was a mortal whom a God of Destruction couldn't defeat.

Upon seeing Jiren's power, Whis says that the rumour "APPEARS" is true. He also states that Jiren is most definitely on the level of a God of Destruction, and may "PERHAPS" surpass it. So yes, Jiren IS the mortal that Whis was talking about episodes ago, we just misinterpreted his actual knowledge on the matter, as it turns out it was just an unconfirmed rumour until he saw Jiren's power.

Fixed for canon accuracy.
You better check again.

Your point? That doesn't change anything, because the narrative implicitly proves it to be true. Whis further goes on to state that Jiren is definitely on a God of Destruction's level, and perhaps surpasses it. No ifs, ands, or buts about that.

[Miracles]

As said by others, the rumour didn't go that there was a mortal that was explicitly stronger than a God of Destruction. The rumour was that there was a mortal whom a God of Destruction couldn't defeat.

Upon seeing Jiren's power, Whis says that the rumour "APPEARS" is true. He also states that Jiren is most definitely on the level of a God of Destruction, and may "PERHAPS" surpass it. So yes, Jiren IS the mortal that Whis was talking about episodes ago, we just misinterpreted his actual knowledge on the matter, as it turns out it was just an unconfirmed rumour until he saw Jiren's power.

Fixed for canon accuracy.
You better check again.

Your point? That doesn't change anything, because the narrative implicitly proves it to be true. Whis further goes on to state that Jiren is definitely on a God of Destruction's level, and perhaps surpasses it. No ifs, ands, or buts about that.

"Perhaps" means MAYBE.
Jiren is not confirmed to be the one.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Fixed for canon accuracy.
You better check again.

Your point? That doesn't change anything, because the narrative implicitly proves it to be true. Whis further goes on to state that Jiren is definitely on a God of Destruction's level, and perhaps surpasses it. No ifs, ands, or buts about that.

"Perhaps" means MAYBE.
Jiren is not confirmed to be the one.

He may as well be. He overpowers SSB/Kaio-kenX20 Goku whilst still not using his full power and can still evenly fight Ultra Instinct Goku, who possesses a power that even the gods fear.

Unless we're proven otherwise later into this arc, we as viewers should treat Jiren as the one being referred to when Whis mentions the mortal that a God of Destruction can't defeat. He has the demonstrated power, the narrative presence, and the comments from the characters to support that position. Nothing supports the opposite.

[Hugo Boss]

Fixed for canon accuracy.
You better check again.

Your point? That doesn't change anything, because the narrative implicitly proves it to be true. Whis further goes on to state that Jiren is definitely on a God of Destruction's level, and perhaps surpasses it. No ifs, ands, or buts about that.

"Perhaps" means MAYBE.
Jiren is not confirmed to be the one.

In Crunchyroll’s Brazilian sub, there is no “perhaps” or “appears”. Whis just says the rumour is true. Either way, whatever version you may be watching, there is no issue in assuming Jiren is the one. You can think he isn’t if you want.

[BlueVegerot]

Jiren blinks away a spirit bomb being pushed by SSB KKx20 Goku and is stated by u1 kai and Whis to not be anywhere near full power. Its him. If those bugs from universe 4 were that powerful why would they be hiding ?

[Miracles]

Your point? That doesn't change anything, because the narrative implicitly proves it to be true. Whis further goes on to state that Jiren is definitely on a God of Destruction's level, and perhaps surpasses it. No ifs, ands, or buts about that.

"Perhaps" means MAYBE.
Jiren is not confirmed to be the one.

In Crunchyroll’s Brazilian sub, there is no “perhaps” or “appears”. Whis just says the rumour is true. Either way, whatever version you may be watching, there is no issue in assuming Jiren is the one. You can think he isn’t if you want.

I will stay with the story that Jiren is not.
Even TOEI's official site states it is "said" that Jiren only reached the god's level, not surpassed it.

He may as well be. He overpowers SSB/Kaio-kenX20 Goku whilst still not using his full power and can still evenly fight Ultra Instinct Goku, who possesses a power that even the gods fear.

Unless we're proven otherwise later into this arc, we as viewers should treat Jiren as the one being referred to when Whis mentions the mortal that a God of Destruction can't defeat. He has the demonstrated power, the narrative presence, and the comments from the characters to support that position. Nothing supports the opposite.

Even after all of that; still wasn't ever confirmed to be at a level that surpassed a god.

[Lord Frieza]

To my knowledge Dragon Ball has never faked out its built up main antaganist exept for one occastion. The Android arc, and we all know that th reason the main threat of that arc kept getting changed (#19 & Gero to #17 & #18 and then to Cell) was due to editorial choices. Litaraly every other arcs main antaganist was known and built up from the get go. Even Black and Zamasu count as they were built up as the villains or potential villains despite us not knowing their history at the time. The only other exeption is Pilaf but he dose not really count as the first arc was really just a road trip adventure.

Now thats not so say its immpossible that Jiren is not the "One stronger then a GoD", but he is the new character to have the most build up and by DB standerd that might as well be a giant neon sign over his head saying "IT'S HIM". Had Goku beaten him or even really forced Jiren to go all out last week I'd say it may have been 50/50, but that was not the case. Jiren has effectivly set the bare so high that its almost impossible for it not to be him.

[Noah]

Considering current KKx20 SSJB Goku is still below Beerus, what % was he using against SSJ God Goku in the BoG arc?

[Lord Frieza]

Considering current KKx20 SSJB Goku is still below Beerus, what % was he using against SSJ God Goku in the BoG arc?

Well the thing that makes it hard is that without now his full power, we cannot judge what 1% really means for him. Really even a solid statment of a further % would be helpful but the anime dropped most of them.

For example Frieza used 1% of his power to match base Goku and could easily handle KKx10 with 50% . Goku had to push himself to KKx20 to even begin to really hurt 50% Frieza. Later we see Frieza go 100% and fight Goku who is 50X stronger thanks to SS. While we dont have exact numbers we can at least gauge how much Frieza's power increases with each %.

With Beerus we dont have that and when he dose use 10% he completely curb stomps Vegeta.

Its like trying to work out a complex math problem when you only know 10% (ironically) of the equastion and have no idea of the outcome.