"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jigurashi]

Lol Jiren bodies Goku and Hitto and because he feels nobody else is worth why he meditates.

[supercat]

So Piccolo's confident he can fight those Namekians? Yeah looks like an intro for two additional fodders. Piccolo that pride-less coward lacked enough confidence to train with Goku and Vegeta, while even having the nerve to ask Frost to suppress himself. Those Namekians must be a complete joke for him to want to even face them. Hopefully Piccolo just gets defeated in a matter of seconds and the Namekians face off against Gohan and another SSB-tier fighter. Otherwise, we'll have more weak Namekians doing nothing.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

The U6 Namekians finally make an appearance, and are likely to be well...weak

[Hakaishin Liquir]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

Lmao the Vegeta fans are gonna be pissed when they read that. Especially that Vegeta fan who hates Hit.

[darzap]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

More like "we wanted to introduce Jiren midway and have a rematch later, but we didn't really figure out, what to do with him between those two points in time, so we have him nap-, I mean 'meditate' for no sensible reason when he could just save himself and his universe from possible erasure right now. Time for side stories without any consequences on the outcome of the tournament."

It would be a nice twist to have him meditate until the timer runs out and wake up just to find out, that his universe has one survivor less than Universe 7 and get erased. Would be a nice tale to show that "pride comes before a fall".

[Hakaishin Liquir]

So Piccolo's confident he can fight those Namekians? Yeah looks like an intro for two additional fodders. Piccolo that pride-less coward lacked enough confidence to train with Goku and Vegeta, while even having the nerve to ask Frost to suppress himself. Those Namekians must be a complete joke for him to want to even face them. Hopefully Piccolo just gets defeated in a matter of seconds and the Namekians face off against Gohan and another SSB-tier fighter. Otherwise, we'll have more weak Namekians doing nothing.

Dude Piccolo is SSJ2 level. He's stronger than over 50% of the fighters here, and the Saonel and Pilina obviously were never going to be SSB level or anywhere close to there or else they would have been recruited for the previous tournament.

[Yedis]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

More like "we wanted to introduce Jiren midway and have a rematch later, but we didn't really figure out, what to do with him between those two points in time, so we have him nap-, I mean 'meditate' for no sensible reason when he could just save himself and his universe from possible erasure right now. Time for side stories without any consequences on the outcome of the tournament."

It would be a nice twist to have him meditate until the timer runs out and wake up just to find out, that his universe has one survivor less than Universe 7 and get erased. Would be a nice tale to show that "pride comes before a fall".

Universe 11 only has 3 members left with half the time left, they are at a disadvantage.

He could one shot a whole bunch of fighters to get the numbers in U11's favor but for plot Jiren won't be fighting anyone

[Kinokima]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

Lmao the Vegeta fans are gonna be pissed when they read that. Especially that Vegeta fan who hates Hit.

Actually what it means is that Jiren thinks that there is no one to rival him besides Goku not that he considers Hit a rival too. After all he didn't go after Hit. Hit went after him.

Also it says Jiren is certain that doesn't mean it's true. Not that I think it's Vegeta or Freeza lol. But there could actually be a stronger character we haven't seen yet. When a character is so certain it usually means it's not true. lol

Edit: What it means is that Jiren is stronger than Freeza, Vegeta and Hit. But not that Hit is necessarily stronger than Freeza or Vegeta. I think they are on an equal level (although I think we don't know how strong Freeza has become yet).

And yes I know Hit beat Vegeta but that was when he didn't know about the time skip & that does make a difference.

[darzap]

Universe 11 only has 3 members left with half the time left, they are at a disadvantage.

He could one shot a whole bunch of fighters to get the numbers in U11's favor but for plot Jiren won't be fighting anyone

Indeed. They could have easily written a more creative and sensible solution for that problem, for example: Hit traps in a parallel dimension with different time flow, so he will be gone for 10 minutes (or sth. like that), but that newly developed and hardly mastered skill exhausts Hit so much that he dies from it, which incidentally also solves the issue of coming up with Hit sideline commentary or awkward Hit-sitting-around-defeated-frames.

[Totamo]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

More like "we wanted to introduce Jiren midway and have a rematch later, but we didn't really figure out, what to do with him between those two points in time, so we have him nap-, I mean 'meditate' for no sensible reason when he could just save himself and his universe from possible erasure right now. Time for side stories without any consequences on the outcome of the tournament."

It would be a nice twist to have him meditate until the timer runs out and wake up just to find out, that his universe has one survivor less than Universe 7 and get erased. Would be a nice tale to show that "pride comes before a fall".

Universe 11 only has 3 members left with half the time left, they are at a disadvantage.

He could one shot a whole bunch of fighters to get the numbers in U11's favor but for plot Jiren won't be fighting anyone

Disadvantage? In Numbers? U11 has done very little except when they fought the androids and the u6 saiyans. Yet half the fighters are already gone and now everyone is going after U6.




The 3 of them just standing there for the most part, has kept them in far longer than the ones who were active.

[Totamo]

"With Hit out and Goku exhausted, Jiren's certain that there's nobody left to rival him. With nobody worth fighting, he starts meditating."

So, the likes of Freeza and Vegeta aren't even worth fighting for Jiren. This means they're even weaker than Goku and Hit. Yes, we knew that, but it's good to have confirmation for once.

More like "we wanted to introduce Jiren midway and have a rematch later, but we didn't really figure out, what to do with him between those two points in time, so we have him nap-, I mean 'meditate' for no sensible reason when he could just save himself and his universe from possible erasure right now. Time for side stories without any consequences on the outcome of the tournament."

It would be a nice twist to have him meditate until the timer runs out and wake up just to find out, that his universe has one survivor less than Universe 7 and get erased. Would be a nice tale to show that "pride comes before a fall".

Universe 11 only has 3 members left with half the time left, they are at a disadvantage.

He could one shot a whole bunch of fighters to get the numbers in U11's favor but for plot Jiren won't be fighting anyone

Disadvantage? In Numbers? U11 has done very little except when they fought the androids and the u6 saiyans. Yet half the fighters are already gone and now everyone is going after U6.




The 3 of them just standing there for the most part, has kept them in far longer than the ones who were active and now everyone is afraid of them. With Goku knocked out, no one sees U7 as a threat. They ain't afraid of Freeza or Vegeta.


Now they can save their energy and let everyone else knocked themselves out, which they have been doing

[supercat]

So Piccolo's confident he can fight those Namekians? Yeah looks like an intro for two additional fodders. Piccolo that pride-less coward lacked enough confidence to train with Goku and Vegeta, while even having the nerve to ask Frost to suppress himself. Those Namekians must be a complete joke for him to want to even face them. Hopefully Piccolo just gets defeated in a matter of seconds and the Namekians face off against Gohan and another SSB-tier fighter. Otherwise, we'll have more weak Namekians doing nothing.

Dude Piccolo is SSJ2 level. He's stronger than over 50% of the fighters here, and the Saonel and Pilina obviously were never going to be SSB level or anywhere close to there or else they would have been recruited for the previous tournament.

I'm not sure what you mean by SSJ2-tier. The Gohan that had lost to Piccolo was likely leagues beyond any of his previous SSJ2 incarnations. SSJ2-tier can mean so many different things. Cell saga? Buu saga? SSJ2 Gohan (Super)? SSJ2 Goku (Super)? So many different power levels for SSJ2. I mean SSJ2 Goku was able to keep up with a new-and-improved Ultimate Gohan who far exceeds his Buu saga self.

I also don't think anything short of Buuhan and possibly even SSJ Vegetto at the tournament is anything impressive, since it's strongly implied even Base Goku (RoF) could casually win against such power. More to the point, I doubt Piccolo is anywhere near the top 30%. He may be stronger than half of the fighters that were there from the start, but that's as generous as I see it. He's far weaker than Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Android 17, Ultimate Gohan (current). He may possibly even be weaker than Android 18, so I find it hard to see him suddenly showing up on a relevant place on the power scale.

I was hoping for so much more for the new Namekians than to be paired up against a weak fool like Piccolo. Oh well, still all good for laughs at least. That is what Piccolo and Tien are there for these days anyway right?

[Totamo]

Universe 11 only has 3 members left with half the time left, they are at a disadvantage.

He could one shot a whole bunch of fighters to get the numbers in U11's favor but for plot Jiren won't be fighting anyone

Indeed. They could have easily written a more creative and sensible solution for that problem, for example: Hit traps in a parallel dimension with different time flow, so he will be gone for 10 minutes (or sth. like that), but that newly developed and hardly mastered skill exhausts Hit so much that he dies from it, which incidentally also solves the issue of coming up with Hit sideline commentary or awkward Hit-sitting-around-defeated-frames.

No, it matches Jiren's character. He was never an active force. Only when he needed to be.

[TheOne]

After seeing the English Dub episode of Vegeta vs Cabba, I can understand why Vegeta would protect Cabba from Frieza.

Tournament aside, he's looking out for one of his own. Entire race wiped out by Frieza and he was powerless to stop it. While this is definitely a different scenario, he's not gonna let this same individual have his way with a Saiyan in a different universe. Especially since he can do something about it now.

Most won't agree, but I like it the idea of him doing it.

[darzap]

Now they can save their energy and let everyone else knocked themselves out, which they have been doing

Which doesn't make any sense either. Why would anybody spend his energy eliminating B, C and D, when that leaves him alone with A at the end, who has just shown that he is the greatest threat around? It would make sense, if everybody would try to attack Jiren now.

No, it matches Jiren's character. He was never an active force. Only when he needed to be.

Jiren has no character yet. He is a total black box, he just acts (very little) and they have not established anything resembling a character which would make sense of his actions, expressions, behavior and so on. He could meditate because no threat is left, eliminate himself because no interesting fight is left (as far as he is concerned) or go on an elimination-spree because he has completed his analysis of the tournament and dealt with the primary threats, so he can continue with the lesser threats. Nothing would contradict his character because he has none (yet).

But just judging by common sense, if the stakes are as high as they can possibly get and you are in the perfect position to secure the victory that saves you, the last thing you would do is taking a break. This would be more acceptable if they had established anything, which could make this behavior more understandable, for example: "Jiren is a Nihilist like Android 17 (for the purpose of the recruitment mini-arc) and doesn't care about the outcome of the tournament, just to prove that he is the strongest."

[Hakaishin Liquir]

So Piccolo's confident he can fight those Namekians? Yeah looks like an intro for two additional fodders. Piccolo that pride-less coward lacked enough confidence to train with Goku and Vegeta, while even having the nerve to ask Frost to suppress himself. Those Namekians must be a complete joke for him to want to even face them. Hopefully Piccolo just gets defeated in a matter of seconds and the Namekians face off against Gohan and another SSB-tier fighter. Otherwise, we'll have more weak Namekians doing nothing.

Dude Piccolo is SSJ2 level. He's stronger than over 50% of the fighters here, and the Saonel and Pilina obviously were never going to be SSB level or anywhere close to there or else they would have been recruited for the previous tournament.

I'm not sure what you mean by SSJ2-tier. The Gohan that had lost to Piccolo was likely leagues beyond any of his previous SSJ2 incarnations. SSJ2-tier can mean so many different things. Cell saga? Buu saga? SSJ2 Gohan (Super)? SSJ2 Goku (Super)? So many different power levels for SSJ2. I mean SSJ2 Goku was able to keep up with a new-and-improved Ultimate Gohan who far exceeds his Buu saga self.

I also don't think anything short of Buuhan and possibly even SSJ Vegetto at the tournament is anything impressive, since it's strongly implied even Base Goku (RoF) could casually win against such power. More to the point, I doubt Piccolo is anywhere near the top 30%. He may be stronger than half of the fighters that were there from the start, but that's as generous as I see it. He's far weaker than Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Android 17, Ultimate Gohan (current). He may possibly even be weaker than Android 18, so I find it hard to see him suddenly showing up on a relevant place on the power scale.

I was hoping for so much more for the new Namekians than to be paired up against a weak fool like Piccolo. Oh well, still all good for laughs at least. That is what Piccolo and Tien are there for these days anyway right?

I mean current SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta/Gohan level.

[darzap]

I was hoping for so much more for the new Namekians than to be paired up against a weak fool like Piccolo. Oh well, still all good for laughs at least. That is what Piccolo and Tien are there for these days anyway right?

Too bad they didn't bring Yamcha. He could have been one-shotted by Lilibeu or Basil just to mark the start of the timer.

[Totamo]

Now they can save their energy and let everyone else knocked themselves out, which they have been doing

Which doesn't make any sense either. Why would anybody spend his energy eliminating B, C and D, when that leaves him alone with A at the end, who has just shown that he is the greatest threat around? It would make sense, if everybody would try to attack Jiren now.

No, it matches Jiren's character. He was never an active force. Only when he needed to be.

Jiren has no character yet. He is a total black box, he just acts (very little) and they have not established anything resembling a character which would make sense of his actions, expressions, behavior and so on. He could meditate because no threat is left, eliminate himself because no interesting fight is left (as far as he is concerned) or go on an elimination-spree because he has completed his analysis of the tournament and dealt with the primary threats, so he can continue with the lesser threats. Nothing would contradict his character because he has none (yet).

But just judging by common sense, if the stakes are as high as they can possibly get and you are in the perfect position to secure the victory that saves you, the last thing you would do is taking a break. This would be more acceptable if they had established anything, which could make this behavior more understandable, for example: "Jiren is a Nihilist like Android 17 (for the purpose of the recruitment mini-arc) and doesn't care about the outcome of the tournament, just to prove that he is the strongest."

Because no one can beat him. Goku and Hit just proved that. Why waste your time going after someone you can't beat. This is what Vegta did throughout all of namek without rest.

Jiren has a character. He is simply stoic and only fights when he feels its worthy or they are in his way. Thats what we have been shown. The bottom line is this: U11 have no reason to be worried. They can literally screw around and still win with minimum time left. they have already proven that.

And what is this thing stakes? Have you been watching this arc, not many people actually care, main character including. They are having a fun time and testing their limits. Gohan cares but everyone else. they are having fun.

[supercat]

Dude Piccolo is SSJ2 level. He's stronger than over 50% of the fighters here, and the Saonel and Pilina obviously were never going to be SSB level or anywhere close to there or else they would have been recruited for the previous tournament.

I'm not sure what you mean by SSJ2-tier. The Gohan that had lost to Piccolo was likely leagues beyond any of his previous SSJ2 incarnations. SSJ2-tier can mean so many different things. Cell saga? Buu saga? SSJ2 Gohan (Super)? SSJ2 Goku (Super)? So many different power levels for SSJ2. I mean SSJ2 Goku was able to keep up with a new-and-improved Ultimate Gohan who far exceeds his Buu saga self.

I also don't think anything short of Buuhan and possibly even SSJ Vegetto at the tournament is anything impressive, since it's strongly implied even Base Goku (RoF) could casually win against such power. More to the point, I doubt Piccolo is anywhere near the top 30%. He may be stronger than half of the fighters that were there from the start, but that's as generous as I see it. He's far weaker than Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Android 17, Ultimate Gohan (current). He may possibly even be weaker than Android 18, so I find it hard to see him suddenly showing up on a relevant place on the power scale.

I was hoping for so much more for the new Namekians than to be paired up against a weak fool like Piccolo. Oh well, still all good for laughs at least. That is what Piccolo and Tien are there for these days anyway right?

I mean current SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta/Gohan level.

Hm, current SSJ2 Goku / Vegeta are likely far above Final Form Frieza (RoF), and I don't think Piccolo's anywhere near that. Unless he somehow gained a huge amount of power by training with Gohan. I mean I guess the new Namekians being on par with current SSJ2 Goku / Vegeta would be alright. Although I know the usual downplays of power will come into play with fans saying they're merely Cell saga-tier. lol. Anyway, I'll be happy to continue this discussion in the Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread.

Too bad they didn't bring Yamcha. He could have been one-shotted by Lilibeu or Basil just to mark the start of the timer.

Not sure if even that would top Tien's silly poses and all around humiliation. Especially with the way he was eliminated.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

I'm not sure what you mean by SSJ2-tier. The Gohan that had lost to Piccolo was likely leagues beyond any of his previous SSJ2 incarnations. SSJ2-tier can mean so many different things. Cell saga? Buu saga? SSJ2 Gohan (Super)? SSJ2 Goku (Super)? So many different power levels for SSJ2. I mean SSJ2 Goku was able to keep up with a new-and-improved Ultimate Gohan who far exceeds his Buu saga self.

I also don't think anything short of Buuhan and possibly even SSJ Vegetto at the tournament is anything impressive, since it's strongly implied even Base Goku (RoF) could casually win against such power. More to the point, I doubt Piccolo is anywhere near the top 30%. He may be stronger than half of the fighters that were there from the start, but that's as generous as I see it. He's far weaker than Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Android 17, Ultimate Gohan (current). He may possibly even be weaker than Android 18, so I find it hard to see him suddenly showing up on a relevant place on the power scale.

I was hoping for so much more for the new Namekians than to be paired up against a weak fool like Piccolo. Oh well, still all good for laughs at least. That is what Piccolo and Tien are there for these days anyway right?

I mean current SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta/Gohan level.

Hm, current SSJ2 Goku / Vegeta are likely far above Final Form Frieza (RoF), and I don't think Piccolo's anywhere near that. Unless he somehow gained a huge amount of power by training with Gohan. I mean I guess the new Namekians being on par with current SSJ2 Goku / Vegeta would be alright. Although I know the usual downplays of power will come into play with fans saying they're merely Cell saga-tier. lol. Anyway, I'll be happy to continue this discussion in the Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread.

Too bad they didn't bring Yamcha. He could have been one-shotted by Lilibeu or Basil just to mark the start of the timer.

Not sure if even that would top Tien's silly poses and all around humiliation. Especially with the way he was eliminated.

Final Form Frieza's power level has been very inconsistent throughout this arc. He was able to stomp Jimeze, who has beating base Gohan (who is equal to base Goku).

Most U7 characters have gotten a random nonsense power up in this arc. Just look at how Roshi got 1000x stronger by training off-screen for a year. So Piccolo reaching SSJ2 Goku level in this arc isn't surprising by DBS standards.