Super Episode 111 (15 October 2017)

[HeroR]

what is he some sort of db Superman?

Thats kinf of what a lot of people suspected him of being, myself included. The "heat vision" only adds to the impression.

He has nothing in common with Superman other than people complaining he’s OP.

[JazzMazz]

what is he some sort of db Superman?

Thats kinf of what a lot of people suspected him of being, myself included. The "heat vision" only adds to the impression.

He has nothing in common with Superman other than people complaining he’s OP.

IMO he has more in common with Raoh from Hokuto No Ken, accept his worse.

[Lord Frieza]

He wasn't using heat vision though. Thats just the effect used to show thats his hitting his opponents at rapid speed.

Really?



The impact points look like burn marks and ar smaller then Jiren's fist radius. The damage looks more akin to rapide fire beam impact then a physical punch.

Yeah, no. Its stated that he was Hit multiple times because he moved to fast for them follow. Nothing in the show suggests its anything more than that.

Hit is avery loose term that imples being struck but dose not say what they are hit buy, people usay "they were hit" after bing shot. His eyes glow in an identical manner each time, the damage done looks like burn marks and when used on Hit it looks rather similur, all be is faster and more powerful, to another hight speed attack.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2015/p2YHVo.mp4

Good enough evidence to suggest ki attacks as far as I'm consured. But either way the anime will prove the point one way or another.

[Lord Frieza]

what is he some sort of db Superman?

Thats kinf of what a lot of people suspected him of being, myself included. The "heat vision" only adds to the impression.

He has nothing in common with Superman other than people complaining he’s OP.

OP, part of a Super hero team, were a spandex outfit with sticking colors, able to do impossible things like overcome time itself, may or may not have heat vision.

Yeah nothing in common with Superman at all.

[JazzMazz]

Really?



The impact points look like burn marks and ar smaller then Jiren's fist radius. The damage looks more akin to rapide fire beam impact then a physical punch.

Yeah, no. Its stated that he was Hit multiple times because he moved to fast for them follow. Nothing in the show suggests its anything more than that.

Hit is avery loose term that imples being struck but dose not say what they are hit buy, people usay "they were hit" after bing shot". His eyes glow in an identical manner each time, the damage done looks like burn marks and when used on Hit it looks rather similur, all be is fater and more powerful, to another hight speed attack.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2015/p2YHVo.mp4

Good enough evidence to suggest ki attacks as far as I'm consured. But either way the anime will prove the point one way or another.

The implication though is that his moving to fast to be seen. Not that his using heat vision or whatever stupid nonsense your spouting.

Also, unless Superman became an edge-lord, they have literally next to nothing in common character wise.

[The gr]

I agree with your statements and just wish that Hit could have stayed longer but oh well.

I also wish hit stayed longer,his early ring out made this saga more intense so is not that bad

[HeroR]

Thats kinf of what a lot of people suspected him of being, myself included. The "heat vision" only adds to the impression.

He has nothing in common with Superman other than people complaining he’s OP.

OP, part of a Super hero team, were a spandex outfit with sticking colors, able to do impossible things like overcome time itself, may or may not have heat vision.

Yeah nothing in common with Superman at all.

Those so common super heroes tropes that’s it’s laughable to say it’s all Superman. By that logic he can be Captain Marvel since he fits many of the same tropes.

And he doesn’t have heat vision.

[Lord Frieza]

Yeah, no. Its stated that he was Hit multiple times because he moved to fast for them follow. Nothing in the show suggests its anything more than that.

Hit is avery loose term that imples being struck but dose not say what they are hit buy, people usay "they were hit" after bing shot". His eyes glow in an identical manner each time, the damage done looks like burn marks and when used on Hit it looks rather similur, all be is fater and more powerful, to another hight speed attack.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2015/p2YHVo.mp4

Good enough evidence to suggest ki attacks as far as I'm consured. But either way the anime will prove the point one way or another.

The implication though is that his moving to fast to be seen. Not that his using heat vision or whatever stupid nonsense your spouting.

1) "Heat Vision" is just a nick name for the ability, in universe its just ki but might as well name it something.

2) No it is not, all that is stated that Goku was "hit" multiple time in an instant and they didn't even see him move. That could be punchs or rapide fir ki blasts.

3) You have give not a single good counter to my suggestion nor my evidence.

4) You actually resuroting to being rude instead.

I think we can call it a day there if thats what this is going to devolve into.

[JazzMazz]

I agree with your statements and just wish that Hit could have stayed longer but oh well.

I also wish hit stayed longer,his early ring out made this saga more intense so is not that bad

Did it make it more intense though? Hit would have been out if he had or hadn't have attacked Jiren that final time, and the result would have been the same if he had or hadn't have had the timelock destroyed.

The thing is though that the timelock on Jiren was actually a decent in-story way of keeping Jiren out of the tournament, while without it they had to create this artifical way of not having Jiren destroy everyone, even though he was told by Belmond that the time for conserving his strength was over.

Hit is avery loose term that imples being struck but dose not say what they are hit buy, people usay "they were hit" after bing shot". His eyes glow in an identical manner each time, the damage done looks like burn marks and when used on Hit it looks rather similur, all be is fater and more powerful, to another hight speed attack.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2015/p2YHVo.mp4

Good enough evidence to suggest ki attacks as far as I'm consured. But either way the anime will prove the point one way or another.

The implication though is that his moving to fast to be seen. Not that his using heat vision or whatever stupid nonsense your spouting.

1) "Heat Vision" is just a nick name for the ability, in universe its just ki but might as well name is something.

2) No it is not, all that is stated that Goku was "hit" multiple time in an instant and they didn't even see him move. That could be punchs or rapide fir ki blasts.

3) You have give not a single single could counter to my suggestion nor my evidence.

4) You actually resuroting to being rude instead.

I think we can call it a day there if thats what this is going to devolve into.

I don't need to provide a counter-point, because there isn't any substantive evidence to your claim.'

If you do want a counter point though, than look no further than this gif, which clearly show Jirens eyes flashy red is a visual motive for him throwing a hyper speed flurry of blows.
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[The gr]

Did it make it more intense though? Hit would have been out if he had or hadn't have attacked Jiren that final time, and the result would have been the same if he had or hadn't have had the timelock destroyed.

The thing is though that the timelock on Jiren was actually a decent in-story way of keeping Jiren out of the tournament, while without it they had to create this artifical way of not having Jiren destroy everyone, even though he was told by Belmond that the time for conserving his strength was over.

Intense as if u6 is in trouble

[JazzMazz]

Did it make it more intense though? Hit would have been out if he had or hadn't have attacked Jiren that final time, and the result would have been the same if he had or hadn't have had the timelock destroyed.

The thing is though that the timelock on Jiren was actually a decent in-story way of keeping Jiren out of the tournament, while without it they had to create this artifical way of not having Jiren destroy everyone, even though he was told by Belmond that the time for conserving his strength was over.

Intense as if u6 is in trouble

Again, they had already technically lost Hit the moment he started implementing his Time-lock on Jiren.

[Lord Frieza]

He has nothing in common with Superman other than people complaining he’s OP.

OP, part of a Super hero team, were a spandex outfit with sticking colors, able to do impossible things like overcome time itself, may or may not have heat vision.

Yeah nothing in common with Superman at all.

Those so common super heroes tropes that’s it’s laughable to say it’s all Superman. By that logic he can be Captain Marvel since he fits many of the same tropes.

And he doesn’t have heat vision.

Believe it or not Superman stole most of those tropes from Captain Marvel as he had the fix all powers and flying first. I'll conscide that yes they can be applied to other heroes but Superman is and always has been the shining paragon of them all and Toriyama already has done a Superman like character befor in Dr. Slump, Suppaman the Legendery Sucker of Sour Plums. So the comparrison is noth tha out there.

Also as I posed above "Heat Vision" is just a nickname, in universe it would be ki like everyone else unless stated otherise.

[Lord Frieza]

The implication though is that his moving to fast to be seen. Not that his using heat vision or whatever stupid nonsense your spouting.

1) "Heat Vision" is just a nick name for the ability, in universe its just ki but might as well name is something.

2) No it is not, all that is stated that Goku was "hit" multiple time in an instant and they didn't even see him move. That could be punchs or rapide fir ki blasts.

3) You have give not a single single could counter to my suggestion nor my evidence.

4) You actually resuroting to being rude instead.

I think we can call it a day there if thats what this is going to devolve into.

I don't need to provide a counter-point, because there isn't any substantive evidence to your claim.'

If you do want a counter point though, than look no further than this gif, which clearly show Jirens eyes flashy red is a visual motive for him throwing a hyper speed flurry of blows.
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

Now thats more like it.

Now I had actually forgotten that. So yes your right that dose hint that when Jiren powers up his eyes glow and he used used his speed punchs to match Goku.

I have to concide to the evidence.

[TheOne]

Classic Dragonball concept where a former main strong opponent from a previous arc gets trumped by the current one.

They've been doing that forever. Was hoping Hit would fight Vegeta but it is what it is.

The former strong opponent actually put up a better fight than the main character.

Hit went out like a G. While I wish he would've stayed to the end, this was a better exit than anyone else so far.

Better than Roshi's? Don't be living in the moment now. Roshi went out on his own terms after exceeding everyone's expectations.

I'm not a fan of Roshi so I can't really comment on that lol

[JazzMazz]

1) "Heat Vision" is just a nick name for the ability, in universe its just ki but might as well name is something.

2) No it is not, all that is stated that Goku was "hit" multiple time in an instant and they didn't even see him move. That could be punchs or rapide fir ki blasts.

3) You have give not a single single could counter to my suggestion nor my evidence.

4) You actually resuroting to being rude instead.

I think we can call it a day there if thats what this is going to devolve into.

I don't need to provide a counter-point, because there isn't any substantive evidence to your claim.'

If you do want a counter point though, than look no further than this gif, which clearly show Jirens eyes flashy red is a visual motive for him throwing a hyper speed flurry of blows.
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

Now thats more like it.

Now I had actually forgotten that. So yes your right that dose hint that when Jiren powers up his eyes glow and he used used his speed punchs to match Goku.

I have to consed to the evidence.

Its actually quite a common shonen trope for the "enemy to be moving so fast I didn't even see him hit me". Thats probably what they were going for.

[TheOne]

Hit/Jiren was very good. I'm really curious why Ribianne is getting so much focus, is she going to get some new form or something?

Gohan/Piccolo Vs. Nameks looked interesting for the 10 seconds of it we saw.

I liked how U6 reacted to Hit's downfall. I guess next week is Cabba's.

Nah. Cabba is probably gonna last a bit longer. It's starting to look like Vegeta will save him from Frieza. Which would explain why the episode is called Vegetas Resolve. Saving a fellow Saiyan from being harassed by a teammate.

Vegeta is going to save Cabba from Monna not Frieza.

Yeah, but he will probably save him again once he realizes what Frieza is doing.

[Lord Frieza]

I don't need to provide a counter-point, because there isn't any substantive evidence to your claim.'

If you do want a counter point though, than look no further than this gif, which clearly show Jirens eyes flashy red is a visual motive for him throwing a hyper speed flurry of blows.
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

Now thats more like it.

Now I had actually forgotten that. So yes your right that dose hint that when Jiren powers up his eyes glow and he used used his speed punchs to match Goku.

I have to consed to the evidence.

Its actually quite a common shonen trope for the "enemy to be moving so fast I didn't even see him hit me". Thats probably what they were going for.

And one thats been used a lot in dragon ball befor so I should have known better . Oh well as nice idea while it lasted.

So in a way Jiren's glowing eyes are kind of like when say, Kenshiro rips his shirt. Its a visual quew that he just go serues and a high speed beat down is about to insue.

Edit: or given his OP and super hero themes, its more like....

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Now thats more like it.

Now I had actually forgotten that. So yes your right that dose hint that when Jiren powers up his eyes glow and he used used his speed punchs to match Goku.

I have to consed to the evidence.

Its actually quite a common shonen trope for the "enemy to be moving so fast I didn't even see him hit me". Thats probably what they were going for.

And one thats been used a lot in dragon ball befor so I should have known better . Oh well as nice idea while it lasted.

So in a way Jiren's glowing eyes are kind of like when say, Kenshiro rips his shirt. Its a visual quew that he just go serues and a high speed beat down is about to insue.

We've even seen this done in Super before. When Hit stops Frost from stealing the cube ship, and when Hit fights Vegeta, he lands multiple blows on them using his Time-Skip, which manifests as multiple points of light coming out of the opposite side of the body where Hit's strikes lands. This is most prominent when the perspective is focused on them solely taking multiple quick blows with Hit out of the shot.

[JazzMazz]

Now thats more like it.

Now I had actually forgotten that. So yes your right that dose hint that when Jiren powers up his eyes glow and he used used his speed punchs to match Goku.

I have to consed to the evidence.

Its actually quite a common shonen trope for the "enemy to be moving so fast I didn't even see him hit me". Thats probably what they were going for.

And one thats been used a lot in dragon ball befor so I should have known better . Oh well as nice idea while it lasted.

So in a way Jiren's glowing eyes are kind of like when say, Kenshiro rips his shirt. Its a visual quew that he just go serues and a high speed beat down is about to insue.

Pretty much. Unlike Kenshiro though, Jiren doesn't have the magical ability to regrow an infinite number of red-shirts.

Also, was it just me, or did the scenario this episode seem taken directly from Hokuto No Ken?

[ekrolo2]

So, finally got my thoughts sorted about this episode: This episode was really bad for a whole bunch of reasons. Primarily around the usage of Hit: he goes out to showcase how strong Jiren is, okay, why? We just had two episodes where he no sells Goku's various forms along with the hyped new state that apparently GoDs can't get to either without extreme difficulty. We don't need need any more episodes of Jiren showcasing his coolness.

The strategy Hit uses is almost as retarded as Toppo's idea of sending five scrubs to beat the guy (Goku) who was able to kick his teeth in. Almost.

When I saw the U6 Saiyan's arrive, I made the mortal error of thinking someone besides Freeza would be smart and have Hit tell them to destroy the stand underneath Jiren to ring him out. Then, we'd have a tense battle where Hit has to hold down Jiren, Jiren is paralyzed and has to break free before the U6 Saiyan's send him plummeting to the void all the while Cabba, Kale and Caulifla battle Dypso & Toppo to get to their intended target.

Just imagine that kind of fight with all these guys blasting and punching everything apart, one side trying to take out Hit, the other Jiren and both of them deadlocked. But like I said, I made the mortal error of assuming Super wouldn't f*** something up.

Instead of this happening, Hit ACTUALLY thinks he can hold Jiren down until the tournament is over with nobody protecting him to cover up the fact he's a sitting duck. Hell, even having Hit do some actual damage to Jiren that could help Goku out later would've been enough.

But nope. We get a fight made with a purpose that the special already more then conveyed well enough with a "strategy" that's pants shittingly stupid.

Once again I ask the million dollar question: why the fuck is FREEZA of all people the only person with the beginnings of an inkling of a clue out of everyone here?