"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Venus]

That would make them the opposite of Universe 6 Namekians then if they are not nice. Frost and Frieza are also dirty fighters so it is not really a weakness.

Frost is weak and resorts to tricks exactly because of that. You're right about Freeza, though; he fights dirty when he could just win on pure skill. But that's why I'm saying "bode" and "usually". I'm not certain they'll be weak, they're just putting out signs that typically indicate it.

Everyone being a powerhouse doesn't mean that Frost is a weakling, would he have appeared during the Frieza/Cell/Boo saga he would have stomped the Z fighters.

[Simere]

Everyone being a powerhouse doesn't mean that Frost is a weakling, would he have appeared during the Frieza/Cell/Boo saga he would have stomped the Z fighters.

And if I appeared in a kindergarten I would clean house too.

[JazzMazz]

Technically aren't Gohan and Piccolo(or at the very least Gohan) more the second-string hitters of universe 7?

I was going to say second-string, but I put Goku in his own tier now so I've shifted them down.

Do you see the irony of having Goku being in his own tier away from all the supporting cast?

[namekiansaiyan]

That would make them the opposite of Universe 6 Namekians then if they are not nice. Frost and Frieza are also dirty fighters so it is not really a weakness.

Frost is weak and resorts to tricks exactly because of that. You're right about Freeza, though; he fights dirty when he could just win on pure skill. But that's why I'm saying "bode" and "usually". I'm not certain they'll be weak, they're just putting out signs that typically indicate it.

Everyone being a powerhouse doesn't mean that Frost is a weakling, would he have appeared during the Frieza/Cell/Boo saga he would have stomped the Z fighters.

Frost is weaker than Frieza.

The Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are weaker then Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

I really don't see the point in this it is no fun and results in no real decent fights.

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Fights and rivalries are generally better when they are more evenly matched.

The problem here is that this is common sense as Frost and Universe 6 Saiyans are different so the Namekians should also be.

Except Frost ended up being exactly like Freeza. But a different attitude and temperament doesn't imply power necessarily. Or do you expect them to be like the saiyans were in U7?

I want them to be the opposite to the way Saiyans are positioned.

What is the point of Saonel and Pilina being much weaker than Gohan and Piccolo? It adds nothing to the series or Universe 6 and why even wait this long to have this battle and make fans think that something could happen especially since they outlasted Hit. It wastes a load of potential and all just to create some crap fight.

All we would find out from this is that there are Namekians in Universe 6 and they have darker skin.

[Michsi]

What is the point of Saonel and Pilina being much weaker than Gohan and Piccolo? It adds nothing to the series or Universe 6 and why even wait this long to have this battle and make fans think that something could happen especially since they outlasted Hit. It wastes a load of potential and all just to create some crap fight.

All we would find out from this is that there are Namekians in Universe 6 and they have darker skin.

To give Piccolo and Gohan a win? Some like seeing their favs easily dispatch whoever they're up against. Outlasting your universe's strongest fighter doesn't mean much when that fighter went against the nr.1 contestant of the tournament.
I agree that there is a great amount of potential from such an encounter, but whether or not it will live up to fans' expectations remains to be seen. There were very few that people consider "good fights" in this tournament and one of them was in the special.

[alakazam^]

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Can't you just wait and see what happens? There's no need to clog this thread with the same stuff every day, stop being afraid about them.

[namekiansaiyan]

What is the point of Saonel and Pilina being much weaker than Gohan and Piccolo? It adds nothing to the series or Universe 6 and why even wait this long to have this battle and make fans think that something could happen especially since they outlasted Hit. It wastes a load of potential and all just to create some crap fight.

All we would find out from this is that there are Namekians in Universe 6 and they have darker skin.

To give Piccolo and Gohan a win? Some like seeing their favs easily dispatch whoever they're up against. Outlasting your universe's strongest fighter doesn't mean much when that fighter went against the nr.1 contestant of the tournament.
I agree that there is a great amount of potential from such an encounter, but whether or not it will live up to fans' expectations remains to be seen. There were very few that people consider "good fights" in this tournament and one of them was in the special.

Going by that logic the 3 saiyans should be gone then as they are easy wins for Goku and Vegeta. What is the point of mentoring them when they will never be a match for Goku and Vegeta. It is pointless and is just not needed.

I don't want easy wins. I want Piccolo vs 17 fights not Piccolo vs that Universe 10 fighter type of fights.

I just don't get the point of Universe 6 fighters having all the disadvantages and Universe 7 fighters all the advantages. This has been the case so far for Saiyans and Frost/Frieza but we will have to wait and see regarding the Namekians. Both Universe shpupd have a mixtute of Advantages and disadvantages so races in both Universes can learn from each other.

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Can't you just wait and see what happens? There's no need to clog this thread with the same stuff every day, stop being afraid about them.

I will go to another thread then.

They have messed up the Universe 6 Saiyans and Frost already so obviously I am going to have some thoughts about Toriyama doing the same to these new Namekians.

[RedHeat]

Frost is weak and resorts to tricks exactly because of that. You're right about Freeza, though; he fights dirty when he could just win on pure skill. But that's why I'm saying "bode" and "usually". I'm not certain they'll be weak, they're just putting out signs that typically indicate it.

Everyone being a powerhouse doesn't mean that Frost is a weakling, would he have appeared during the Frieza/Cell/Boo saga he would have stomped the Z fighters.

Frost is weaker than Frieza.

The Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are weaker then Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

I really don't see the point in this it is no fun and results in no real decent fights.

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Fights and rivalries are generally better when they are more evenly matched.

The problem here is that this is common sense as Frost and Universe 6 Saiyans are different so the Namekians should also be.

Except Frost ended up being exactly like Freeza. But a different attitude and temperament doesn't imply power necessarily. Or do you expect them to be like the saiyans were in U7?

I want them to be the opposite to the way Saiyans are positioned.

What is the point of Saonel and Pilina being much weaker than Gohan and Piccolo? It adds nothing to the series or Universe 6 and why even wait this long to have this battle and make fans think that something could happen especially since they outlasted Hit. It wastes a load of potential and all just to create some crap fight.

All we would find out from this is that there are Namekians in Universe 6 and they have darker skin.

See, this is what I don't get about the fandom. People get mad that characters are portrayed as weaker than the main cast, but when Caulifla gets SSJ2 in order to fight Goku or Kale gets SSJ Beserker it's labeled as a "asspull" and gets thrown aside, even when a decent explanation was given with the focusing of the ki on the back.

[namekiansaiyan]

Everyone being a powerhouse doesn't mean that Frost is a weakling, would he have appeared during the Frieza/Cell/Boo saga he would have stomped the Z fighters.

Frost is weaker than Frieza.

The Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are weaker then Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

I really don't see the point in this it is no fun and results in no real decent fights.

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Fights and rivalries are generally better when they are more evenly matched.

Except Frost ended up being exactly like Freeza. But a different attitude and temperament doesn't imply power necessarily. Or do you expect them to be like the saiyans were in U7?

I want them to be the opposite to the way Saiyans are positioned.

What is the point of Saonel and Pilina being much weaker than Gohan and Piccolo? It adds nothing to the series or Universe 6 and why even wait this long to have this battle and make fans think that something could happen especially since they outlasted Hit. It wastes a load of potential and all just to create some crap fight.

All we would find out from this is that there are Namekians in Universe 6 and they have darker skin.

See, this is what I don't get about the fandom. People get mad that characters are portrayed as weaker than the main cast, but when Caulifla gets SSJ2 in order to fight Goku or Kale gets SSJ Beserker it's labeled as a "asspull" and gets thrown aside, even when a decent explanation was given with the focusing of the ki on the back.

As I said in another post it is because Universe 7 has all the advantages over their same race in Universe 6. Universe 6 have nothing over Universe 7 unless the Namekians change that.

SS2 is nowhere near Goku so what is the point apart from some people finally getting the female Saiyan they always wanted. They can also come out with better ways to power someone up.

Tien focusing his Ki into his third eye to get a transformation would make more sense then the this Saiyan nonsense.

[BlueBasilisk]

Tien focusing his Ki into his third eye to get a transformation would make more sense then the this Saiyan nonsense.

So Tien getting a power-up and transforming by focusing his ki on a specific part of his body makes sense but Caulifla getting a power-up and transforming by focusing her ki on a specific part of her body does not?

[namekiansaiyan]

Tien focusing his Ki into his third eye to get a transformation would make more sense then the this Saiyan nonsense.

So Tien getting a power-up and transforming by focusing his ki on a specific part of his body makes sense but Caulifla getting a power-up and transforming by focusing her ki on a specific part of her body does not?

At least it would give his 3rd eye proper meaning.

The back thing is the worst possible reason in shonen history for a power up.

[Boo Machine]

The back thing is the worst possible reason in shonen history for a power up.

Well that's just not true. Even if we're going with the notion that Caulifla focusing her strength into her back as a way to activate Super Saiyan is a bad thing, it's far from the worst reason for a power up in shonen history. Bleach, Fairy tail have some awful ones and One piece has a few iffy ones.

At least you can explain Cauliflas. And it's based on controlling strength or Ki which is something the series has played with.

[BlueBasilisk]

Tien focusing his Ki into his third eye to get a transformation would make more sense then the this Saiyan nonsense.

So Tien getting a power-up and transforming by focusing his ki on a specific part of his body makes sense but Caulifla getting a power-up and transforming by focusing her ki on a specific part of her body does not?

At least it would give his 3rd eye proper meaning.

The back thing is the worst possible reason in shonen history for a power up.

It's just a normal Super Saiyan transformation. We've known for years there's some kind of on/off switch for it since everyone knows how to transform without getting mad.

And if Tien got a new transformation, one of two things would happen; he'd still be irrelevant making the whole thing useless, or he'd suddenly leapfrog into relevance, bridging an enormous power chasm in a short time which had people in a froth when Frieza, Trunks and Kale did it.

[namekiansaiyan]

The back thing is the worst possible reason in shonen history for a power up.

Well that's just not true. Even if we're going with the notion that Caulifla focusing her strength into her back as a way to activate Super Saiyan is a bad thing, it's far from the worst reason for a power up in shonen history. Bleach, Fairy tail have some awful ones and One piece has a few iffy ones.

At least you can explain Cauliflas. And it's based on controlling strength or Ki which is something the series has played with.

If all characters got the the same treatment I would have no problem but they don't. This was done to force the equivalent of Goku into big battles.

So Tien getting a power-up and transforming by focusing his ki on a specific part of his body makes sense but Caulifla getting a power-up and transforming by focusing her ki on a specific part of her body does not?

At least it would give his 3rd eye proper meaning.

The back thing is the worst possible reason in shonen history for a power up.

It's just a normal Super Saiyan transformation. We've known for years there's some kind of on/off switch for it since everyone knows how to transform without getting mad.

And if Tien got a new transformation, one of two things would happen; he'd still be irrelevant making the whole thing useless, or he'd suddenly leapfrog into relevance, bridging an enormous power chasm in a short time which had people in a froth when Frieza, Trunks and Kale did it.

If it makes Tien able to compete with top guys then that is fine with me. I don't like it that some characters get completely ignored. Characters should all be treated well but for example 17 gets a power up from nowhere from being a compete nobody to being able to compete with top tier fighters but a series regular in Piccolo gets a power up but it is not enough to do anything. What kind of crap is this? This 17 thing is my most hated thing in this series currently.

[SansrivaaL]

See, this is what I don't get about the fandom. People get mad that characters are portrayed as weaker than the main cast, but when Caulifla gets SSJ2 in order to fight Goku or Kale gets SSJ Beserker it's labeled as a "asspull" and gets thrown aside, even when a decent explanation was given with the focusing of the ki on the back.

You see, the problem with that is because we had a backstory of our guys going through fucking hell just to attain those forms and then instantly a random powerpuff girl pops in and attains 2 forms in one go and in less than a day, just because it has an explanation doesnt mean its good, people made a meme out of her up to this day with that back tingly sensation shit she has going and another thing is... Cauli didnt even get close to Goku's level, they coulda just done the same without having her attain the SSJ forms and have Goku fight her in base, her achieving SSJ that easily changes literally nothing between her gap and Goku, now if they had her face someone close to her reaching SSJ2 like say 18 or Piccolo then we're talking, but they just had to put her against Goku... God why. At least Cabba's was handled fine.
I couldnt care less about Kale's, what I do mind is them pulling a Broly throwback everytime she pumps up those muscles.

[HeroR]

You see, the problem with that is because we had a backstory of our guys going through fucking hell just to attain those forms and then instantly a random powerpuff girl pops in and attains 2 forms in one go and in less than a day, just because it has an explanation doesnt mean its good, people made a meme out of her up to this day with that back tingly sensation shit she has going and another thing is... Cauli didnt even get close to Goku's level, they coulda just done the same without having her attain the SSJ forms and have Goku fight her in base, her achieving SSJ that easily changes literally nothing between her gap and Goku, now if they had her face someone close to her reaching SSJ2 like say 18 or Piccolo then we're talking, but they just had to put her against Goku... God why. At least Cabba's was handled fine.
I couldnt care less about Kale's, what I do mind is them pulling a Broly throwback everytime she pumps up those muscles.

Why would they repeat what they did with Cabba with Cali, especially when Cabba can show her Super Saiyan while Cabba didn't even know the form existed. That wouldn't even remotely makes sense from a story perspective.

The meme was always dumb since Cabba said you needed anger for the first transformation, but you make you back tingle for every other time afterwards. Cali just skipped step 1 and went to step 2, proven that she's a natural genius. But for reasons, fans heard "you need anger for the first transformation, but you make you back tingle for every other time afterwards".

And Cali is capable to base form Goku, she was stomped 18 and Piccolo.

[namekiansaiyan]

And Cali is capable to base form Goku, she was stomped 18 and Piccolo.

I hope one of these 2 face Caulifla so they can beat her and show you how weak Cabba and Caulifla actually are.

[Kinokima]

Frost is weaker than Frieza.

The Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are weaker then Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

I really don't see the point in this it is no fun and results in no real decent fights.

Will they do the same with same with Namekians and make it even worse and not give any background? If that happens then what is the point again?

Fights and rivalries are generally better when they are more evenly matched.

The point is there are more to characters than their strength level and power ups. A well written character has nothing to do with how strong they are.

For example it is pretty clear Goku and Vegeta are developing mentor relationships to Kale, Caulifla, and Cabba (although I personally wish they had given Kale to Gohan) . You see this gives them more depth than oh here is another more powerful character that we have to defeat or oh look I have another transformation ad nasueum that actually adds nothing to characterization.

It is the same with Frost he was weaker than Freeza but a lot of fans liked Frost because they got to see how a weaker Freeza like character had to use other more cunning methods to his advantage.

[HeroR]

And Cali is capable to base form Goku, she was stomped 18 and Piccolo.

I hope one of these 2 face Caulifla so they can beat her and show you how weak Cabba and Caulifla actually are.

Yeah, keep thinking that.

[SansrivaaL]

Why would they repeat what they did with Cabba with Cali, especially when Cabba can show her Super Saiyan while Cabba didn't even know the form existed. That wouldn't even remotely makes sense from a story perspective.

Why the hell would they need to repeat what they did with Cabba to Cauli when they can do something else? she couldnt have had the form in the first place and kept it a secret? she couldnt have had to imagine something bad that happened in the past that coulda also help her character as it giving a BG of her having a traumatic past and then attain it? etc. but no they had to make it parody like with the back sensation shit.

The meme was always dumb since Cabba said you needed anger for the first transformation, but you make you back tingle for every other time afterwards. Cali just skipped step 1 and went to step 2, proven that she's a natural genius. But for reasons, fans heard "you need anger for the first transformation, but you make you back tingle for every other time afterwards".

The meme's a genius. Yeah because they needed a dumbass reason for Cauli to attain 2 forms in one go as fast as possible, thats whats dumb about this. We did not need that information at all and I had never once heard anyone here complain about "what do they need to do to go SSJ?" not everything needs an explanation, sometimes the mystery of it is what gives it charm.

And Cali is capable to base form Goku, she was stomped 18 and Piccolo.

What?

I hope one of these 2 face Caulifla so they can beat her and show you how weak Cabba and Caulifla actually are.

Theres the summary that says Goku's recovering stamina while fighting both Cauli and Kale tho so there's that, unless the summaries are playin us again.