"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Sign me up, lets go on a riot for them Cauli fans, for some reason some fans here likes seeing salty responses they keep saying it every time someone badmouths their favorite character, either thats a defense mechanism to make us feel like we look inferior to them to have us stop oooor they're just that simple to please.

It's always fun seeing people have personal melt downs over fiction characters.

[SansrivaaL]

Hmmmm, it's more a fascination thing.

It's always fun seeing people have personal melt downs over fiction characters.

So more on the latter then, I could never find a salty response from someone over the net that interesting or funny to read through, tho a salty response from someone you can see is another thing, thats fun to watch.

[precita]

Piccolo better take out at least one Namek by himself. The fact that Piccolo only has 1 win this entire tournament so far is absurd, he's on track to becoming the next Tien unless he beats someone else soon.

[perucho1990]

Piccolo better take out at least one Namek by himself. The fact that Piccolo only has 1 win this entire tournament so far is absurd, he's on track to becoming the next Tien unless he beats someone else soon.

Yeah, so far Tien has more eliminations than Piccolo(2 vs 1).

Time for Piccolo to pull out all of his tricks.

[Jigurashi]

Piccolo better take out at least one Namek by himself. The fact that Piccolo only has 1 win this entire tournament so far is absurd, he's on track to becoming the next Tien unless he beats someone else soon.

On track? Tenshinhan has hilariously enough outperformed Piccolo so far in this tournament. Piccolo has been pretty underwhelming so far. Piccolo even had to look bad to make Ten look a little better.

[Draconic]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

[namekiansaiyan]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

They are strong and Piccolo is excited about it. We are still going to be shown a lot more as we still don't know much about them.

[HeroR]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

They are strong and Piccolo is excited about it. We are still going to be shown a lot more as we still don't know much about them.

If they’re only slightly superior to Piccolo, they’re not really that strong.

[namekiansaiyan]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

They are strong and Piccolo is excited about it. We are still going to be shown a lot more as we still don't know much about them.

If they’re only slightly superior to Piccolo, they’re not really that strong.

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

[ArchedThunder]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

Well, if the Universes get merged then he could go train with them after the tournament.

[namekiansaiyan]

This might sound blasphemous for the other Piccolo fans, but I kinda wish the Namekians are stronger than him and they defeat him, as long as he learns something from his loss and pushes him to become stronger. I think it would work better long term for him and if the fight itself is cool, the short term outcome doesn't really matter.

I mean, I will take him winning whole-heartedly, but if the U6 Namekians are truly interesting and strong (which does seem unlikely), having Piccolo strive for something more or learn something new trough losing, is honestly preferable for me.

Well, if the Universes get merged then he could go train with them after the tournament.

It needs to happen but they need to tell us about Saonel and Pilina first which we should get in the upcoming episodes. Piccolo is definitely excited to fight them and I think we will at least get some sort of rivalry.

[perucho1990]

From Herms twitter

Per the Heroes livestream, Goku will power up Ultra Instinct soon ("Omen" is the key word), and Vegeta's not gotten serious yet either.

Curious about the Vegeta stuff, Will he show us MSSJB like the manga?

[HeroR]

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

Also on the ‘Piccolo isn’t 100%”, I will be frank, if he isn’t going full power now, he won’t. Piccolo lost a lot of stamina back in 106 regrowing arms and here he was disabled for a moment against one of the Namekians. So even if he isn’t at his full power for some reason, he probably couldn’t access it now since he’s lowering stamina is showing.

[Michsi]

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

I might regret this since I so do not do the powverlevel/versus debates, but - was he?
Gohan got kicked to the ground by Pilina then was about to be blasted away by Saonel while both his hands were busy and he was open. And afterwards he seemed just as out-of-breath as Piccolo. It was fairly even is what I'm getting at.

[JazzMazz]

I think it'd be a lot cooler if they defeated Android 17 with sheer power alone. I would hate to see an SSB-tier powerhouse like Android 17 to go down to some fodder tactics.

I mean, don't you want Saonel and Pilna to be powerful?

They are strong but we don't know what their maximum is. We will find out gradually how strong they really are.

Actually their best feat thus far was giving Piccolo and Base Gohan a slight challenge. that's no where near the likes of real powerhouses like Goku, Vegeta, Android 17, or Frieza.

I think it'd be a lot cooler if they defeated Android 17 with sheer power alone. I would hate to see an SSB-tier powerhouse like Android 17 to go down to some fodder tactics.

I mean, don't you want Saonel and Pilna to be powerful?

That would be terrible writing. It would literally be, the same thing we always get. Don't you want anything original?

I would be fine if they were both competent fighters, but I believe it would be far more interesting if their real strength came from miscellaneous abilities(which we know Namekians have) and there teamwork, which would allow them to overcome stronger opponents.

It wouldn't be boring nor unoriginal. There really haven't been powerful Namekians, so this would almost be a first. I guess Piccolo was powerful speaking relatively, but that was almost always brief.

Your missing my point, beside a different character and different coloured flashy lights, how would the content of the fight be any different to any other fight where an opponent won because they were simply stronger?

The answer is, it wouldn't be any different. Also, having fighters whose only key attribute is their strength, makes them completely expendable as characters as they have nothing else of value to offer once the hurdle in power has been surpassed and other stronger fighters come a long. This is why I and a lot of other people liked Hit, he was a fighter whose key attribute didn't make him expendable in the long-term of things, even though his battle strength had already been surpassed.

[Whatever]

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

Not to get into the power scale debate on how strong Piccolo is between you and namekiansaiyan but Gohan did as bad as Piccolo in this episode.

[namekiansaiyan]

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

Also on the ‘Piccolo isn’t 100%”, I will be frank, if he isn’t going full power now, he won’t. Piccolo lost a lot of stamina back in 106 regrowing arms and here he was disabled for a moment against one of the Namekians. So even if he isn’t at his full power for some reason, he probably couldn’t access it now since he’s lowering stamina is showing.

The problem is you take everything into account when somethings are completely nonsense and contradict everything else. If we did what you are doing then Piccolo would probably be in the bottom 15 strongest fighers due to all the other fighters fighting the Saiyans and you put Piccolo below all base Saiyans.

All 3 Namekians and Gohan in this fight are strong and you should not compare fighters to Goku as even Super Saiyan Goku can wipe out 80% of fighters as Super Saiyan 2 Goku was able to move Jiren a little bit.

I doubt that stamina thing from episode 106 will help decide the outcome of this fight that much as that is almost certaintly a Toei thing to create some drama for the episode.

[HeroR]

According to your power level scale you mean and like I said before we don't know how strong they are at 100% and have we even seen Piccolo at 100% yet?

They definitely have more to show and Toei only showed a Ki attack from each of them in epsiode 112.

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

I might regret this since I so do not do the powverlevel/versus debates, but - was he?
Gohan got kicked to the ground by Pilina then was about to be blasted away by Saonel while both his hands were busy and he was open. And afterwards he seemed just as out-of-breath as Piccolo. It was fairly even is what I'm getting at.

Gohan for the most part held his own while Piccolo needed assist and was actually limp for a moment.

[Michsi]

You know, even if we wanked Piccolo to be on par with Super Saiyan Goku, that still isn’t that strong in this tourument. And it is wank since in this episode alone base form Gohan was performing better than Piccolo, who should be well below Piccolo if he’s up there with Super Saiyan Goku. So it isn’t ‘my power scale’ as you put it. It’s what the show have shown us.

I might regret this since I so do not do the powverlevel/versus debates, but - was he?
Gohan got kicked to the ground by Pilina then was about to be blasted away by Saonel while both his hands were busy and he was open. And afterwards he seemed just as out-of-breath as Piccolo. It was fairly even is what I'm getting at.

Gohan for the most part held his own while Piccolo needed assist and was actually limp for a moment.

So did Gohan. He jumped in for Piccolo and Piccolo jumped in for him. As I said, they each got a hit in and they both got hit once. And at the end both looked just as winded. Not saying Piccolo isn't worse off than Gohan overall, but it wasn't really shown here.

Btw, I'm also of the opinion that the loss in stamina will play a part later on. They were a little too focused on highlighting that in 106 to be just a throw away element in one episode.

[HeroR]

The problem is you take everything into account when somethings are completely nonsense and contradict everything else. If we did what you are doing then Piccolo would probably be in the bottom 15 strongest fighers due to all the other fighters fighting the Saiyans and you put Piccolo below all base Saiyans.

All 3 Namekians and Gohan in this fight are strong and you should not compare fighters to Goku as even Super Saiyan Goku can wipe out 80% of fighters as Super Saiyan 2 Goku was able to move Jiren a little bit.

I doubt that stamina thing from episode 106 will help decide the outcome of this fight that much as that is almost certaintly a Toei thing to create some drama for the episode.

Why wouldn’t I? If I didn’t, I would be cherry-picking like you.

Piccolo probably would be at the bottom, but he isn’t since he has for the most part avoided people who can kick his ass. That’s what Roshi did and he stood around longer than the stronger humans and other characters above him. In other words, Piccolo is playing it smart.

I said they’re not that strong. If these Namekians as a highball is only on par with the base Saiyans, then that isn’t saying much. They would be strong enough to wipe fodder, but not strong enough to fight people like Monna, pure power-wise.

Oh look a ‘Toei thing’. Guess who writes the epsoides? And Piccolo just in this last episode was shown breathing hard, so stamina is an issue with him. And saying ‘Toei thing’ comes off as a little denial, which reminds me of Tien fans before 106 since Tien being treated like crap was a ‘Toei thing’ that didn’t mean anything.

So did Gohan. He jumped in for Piccolo and Piccolo jumped in for him. As I said, they each got a hit in and they both got hit once. And at the end both looked just as winded. Not saying Piccolo isn't worse off than Gohan overall, but it wasn't really shown here.

Btw, I'm also of the opinion that the loss in stamina will play a part later on. They were a little too focused on highlighting that in 106 to be just a throw away element in one episode.

Gohan jumped in for Piccolo, given Piccolo time to counter attack. Like I said, Piccolo was literally leaning over and opened to attack. Gohan never got into that position.