"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

It's a tradition to have an irrational heart attack over such small information?

Remember the utter meltdown when the description for 100 came out with Caulifla asking about SSB? People flipped the fuck out and it amounted to nothing.

There's a reason why 'I will quit Super if such and such happens' became a meme.

[Noah]

I can imagine Goku enjoying his fight with Kefla (or whatever the name is), but then comes Freeza with a sucker punch a knock the eyesore out of the ring! What a glorious day would be to this franchise. And then we got Goku all mad with Freeza for screwing his fight and he just replies: "You're welcome."

It's a tradition to have an irrational heart attack over such small information?

No, I meant jumping to conclusions with little information, but you get it

[Kinokima]

Its funny how people arent even counting on Goku when it comes to ringing them out despite him being the one fighting those 2 but rather counting on Freeza to do the job, Freeza really won a lot of fans in this arc.

Because Freeza is the fandom's revenge porn. Hate a character, give them to Freeze so he can torture and humiliate them before throwing them out, so the fandom can savory ever moment.

It's honestly disturbing that you would hate someone so much that you want them to be tortured by a space Hitler.

LOL yes characters a bit arrogant=worst character ever and needs to lose in a horrible & embarrassing way

character who is evil and enjoys hurting their victims I hope this character viciously tortures the character I hate

People really got their priorities on straight!


I mean I like Freeza a lot too as a villain and I think he is being used very well here but I also definitely don't enjoy what he did to Cabba last episode. And I definitely do not want to see Freeza win the TOP (well unless it leads to a compelling challenge story wise) but I am not rooting for him like so many fans seem to be because they think he is cool.

[Nero<>Akira]

I don't hate Caulifla or Kale so I, thankfully, don't constantly bitch about new characters getting screen time. Only thing I have a problem with is Kale's voice and her saying Son Goku in that horrendous 2nd half of an episode when SS Berserker debuted that amounted to an homage to an awful character. But, it's done and a thing of the past. We've gotten some great stuff since then and it doesn't matter in the scheme of things honestly.

The hate for these characters are just saddening to see. Truly is. "Oh GOD. Caulifla, an insanely strong U6 saiyan in base, got 2 power ups that low level dudes took so long to achieve when she could have wrecked them all with her finger if she fought them in their then power state and had the luxury of having a saiyan that reached the form teach her the same way Goku teached an 8 year Gohan to get angry and transforms some panels later. She couldn't even do that by getting angry and was able to transform through the ki concentration method. The HORROR!" And apparently you can't do anything as long as the characters went through the same things the Universe 7 characters did because they HAVE to be the same. Let's not remember that despite being twin universes, this is another reality where characters have gone through their own journeys. There is nothing wrong with the fact that Caulifla and Kale might know fusion. Avo and Cado knew fusion in U7 and we didn't know until they did it cause it was a secret technique and it was a different technique than normal. Nothing says it has to be the dance and nothing says Goku taught them. And stop with the fan fiction comments. It's an established concept in the DB World that characters can do. They aren't gonna drop it nor should they. When things get dropped in this series whether characters or techniques, people ask where it went, but for some reason, when it comes back (who knows what kind of fusion), people are bitching. I can understand dislike of a character just because. But they haven't done anything to warrant extreme hate.

[Michsi]

I'm thinking the fusion is more a way to keep Caulifla and Kale competitive.

Think so too. I mean, a fusion should actually help calm people down. Fusions were always said to be powerful, and this way nobody has to worry about Cauli or Kale achieving SSJ3 or whatever.

The new character could actually be really great. Cauli is overly confident, Kale is way to demure - if these attributes meet in the middle, Kefla (?) could end up being really cool.

[Simere]

So we have two terrible characters, that shafted other more interesting characters from the spotlight, that have somehow mastered a technique that they should have no idea about.

What reason do you have for why they should have no idea about it?

Pretty much by all definitions of logic and rationality?

That's how?

Please, do tell, how Kale or Caulifla would know about the fusion technique? I'm sure you can think of plenty.

Okay, let me go far beyond established bounds of rationality and logic here as I try to think of a reason...

How about...they learned it from a Metamoran.

I'm fucking crazy!

[OLKv3]

What's really sad is that the cesspool that is gamefaqs had a more calm reaction overall than this site.

You're kidding..... Please tell me you're kidding....

I wouldn't joke about shit like this. Some people are jumping to conclusions on Gamefaqs as well, but overall it really isn't as bad as it is here. It really similar to episode 100. It seems like these girls doing anything induces rage in some people.

I have no idea why people always act like Gamefaqs is the worst forum when it's really no different from here or reddit. Most of the same users post or lurk all 3 sites.
And the kanzenshuu forums have been the most negative place for DBS since it's started. The place is mainstream now.
Anyway, I'm excited at the design of the fusion if it's actually legit.

[perucho1990]

Toshio indirectly spoiled Vegeta will survive Toppo.
.

Oh dear, did he tweet something again.

Well, it technically counts as an "official announcement" so it belongs here. Not like the previews aren't just as spoilery.

I just checked his twitter and there was nothing there about this.

I meant this tweet

@toshio916

I finished writing a cool Vegeta
17:23 - 5 sept. 2017

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Assuming the ToP lasts until early 2018, then Vegeta might be fighting Jiren early 2018

[Kanassa]

It's a tradition to have an irrational heart attack over such small information?

No, I meant jumping to conclusions with little information, but you get it

There's jumping to conclusions, then there's what you were doing.

@toshio916

I finished writing a cool Vegeta
17:23 - 5 sept. 2017

And... THat proves?

[HeroR]

LOL yes characters a bit arrogant=worst character ever and needs to lose in a horrible & embarrassing way

character who is evil and enjoys hurting their victims I hope this character viciously tortures the character I hate

People really got their priorities on straight!


I mean I like Freeza a lot too as a villain and I think he is being used very well here but I also definitely don't enjoy what he did to Cabba last episode. And I definitely do not want to see Freeza win the TOP (well unless it leads to a compelling challenge story wise) but I am not rooting for him like so many fans seem to be because they think he is cool.

The only real time that I rooted for a character to get their shit kicked in by a villain is Vegeta vs. Cell, and that was because Vegeta sold out his allies, allowed a somewhat innocent person to be eating, and attacked and demean his own son. When he did that, I was rooting for Perfect Cell to stomp Vegeta and I think Vegeta got off fairly easy for the crap he pulled.

I guess I will also count 18 vs. Vegeta, and that was again mostly because he was a little shit to his son and physically assaulted him, on top of the androids being pretty chill who did nothing wrong up to that point.

I have no idea why people always act like Gamefaqs is the worst forum when it's really no different from here or reddit. Most of the same users post or lurk all 3 sites.
And the kanzenshuu forums have been the most negative place for DBS since it's started. The place is mainstream now.
Anyway, I'm excited at the design of the fusion if it's actually legit.

Well, can't say you're completely wrong on that, but Gamefaqs did get pretty bad. And the worse forum to talk about Super is the Dragon Ball Multiverse forum.

[pacz360]

On board with the fusion idea. Kale, Cauli and Ribrainne are the only characters that keep me a little bit interested in this boring as fuck arc. I hope #115 has good staff. I don't want the fusion character to suffer cause of mediocre animation and direction. Also, Kale and Cauli romance should be confirmed by the show. That'd be really nice. I don't want to get my hopes up though. But, anyways #114 and #115 is definitely something to look forward to.

They ain't even none man settle down

[Kinokima]

LOL yes characters a bit arrogant=worst character ever and needs to lose in a horrible & embarrassing way

character who is evil and enjoys hurting their victims I hope this character viciously tortures the character I hate

People really got their priorities on straight!


I mean I like Freeza a lot too as a villain and I think he is being used very well here but I also definitely don't enjoy what he did to Cabba last episode. And I definitely do not want to see Freeza win the TOP (well unless it leads to a compelling challenge story wise) but I am not rooting for him like so many fans seem to be because they think he is cool.

The only real time that I rooted for a character to get their shit kicked in by a villain is Vegeta vs. Cell, and that was because Vegeta sold out his allies, allowed a somewhat innocent person to be eating, and attacked and demean his own son. When he did that, I was rooting for Perfect Cell to stomp Vegeta and I think Vegeta got off fairly easy for the crap he pulled.

I guess I will also count 18 vs. Vegeta, and that was again mostly because he was a little shit to his son and physically assaulted him, on top of the androids being pretty chill who did nothing wrong up to that point.

Well I can't say I was rooting for it to happen but I agree it needed to happen for his character development. Same with Freeza killing Vegeta.

[namekiansaiyan]

Its funny how people arent even counting on Goku when it comes to ringing them out despite him being the one fighting those 2 but rather counting on Freeza to do the job, Freeza really won a lot of fans in this arc.

Because Freeza is the fandom's revenge porn. Hate a character, give them to Freeze so he can torture and humiliate them before throwing them out, so the fandom can savory ever moment.

It's honestly disturbing that you would hate someone so much that you want them to be tortured by a space Hitler.

LOL yes characters a bit arrogant=worst character ever and needs to lose in a horrible & embarrassing way

character who is evil and enjoys hurting their victims I hope this character viciously tortures the character I hate

People really got their priorities on straight!


I mean I like Freeza a lot too as a villain and I think he is being used very well here but I also definitely don't enjoy what he did to Cabba last episode. And I definitely do not want to see Freeza win the TOP (well unless it leads to a compelling challenge story wise) but I am not rooting for him like so many fans seem to be because they think he is cool.

This is fiction and not real life so people act differently towards these characters.

Some of us just like Frieza when he is interacting with a certain type of character. I am sure you can guess which type of character.

Oh dear, did he tweet something again.

Well, it technically counts as an "official announcement" so it belongs here. Not like the previews aren't just as spoilery.

I just checked his twitter and there was nothing there about this.

I meant this tweet

@toshio916

I finished writing a cool Vegeta
17:23 - 5 sept. 2017

---

Assuming the ToP lasts until early 2018, then Vegeta might be fighting Jiren early 2018

That could easily be the Toppo episode.

[Kinokima]

Oh dear, did he tweet something again.

Well, it technically counts as an "official announcement" so it belongs here. Not like the previews aren't just as spoilery.

I just checked his twitter and there was nothing there about this.

I meant this tweet

@toshio916

I finished writing a cool Vegeta
17:23 - 5 sept. 2017

---

Assuming the ToP lasts until early 2018, then Vegeta might be fighting Jiren early 2018

This doesn't really confirm anything "cool Vegeta" can mean absolutely anything. I thought Vegeta was cool when he said he would wish back Cabba & Co.

That being said unless the episode is titles Toppo vs Vegeta or something to a similar affect I am not really worried about either character. It will be a fight that will get interrupted for sure.

This is fiction and not real life so people act differently towards these characters.

Some of us just like Frieza when he is interacting with a certain type of character. I am sure you can guess which type of character.

I realize they are fictional characters and I am not making a judgement on how people are in real life but I still find it strange that people would praise a villain so much. I can understand enjoying a well written villain but I see a lot of hypocrisy in the way people attack characters for not being perfect but then love an evil villain for how they torture and harm other characters.

[perucho1990]

That could easily be the Toppo episode.

Scripts are written in advance(3-6months), Toshio mentioned he wrote the Caulifla/Kale episode(episode 115) back in late July, and their episode will air in November 11.

[SansrivaaL]

Well I can't say I was rooting for it to happen but I agree it needed to happen for his character development. Same with Freeza killing Vegeta.

Reading this feels so weird, are you trying to say its fine for Vegeta because he needed it for character development but not for Cauli because? and whats exactly wrong with watching a character torture and humilate another character? so long as its entertaining then ride it on, are you trying to mix it in with some real life scenario or something? fiction should stay fiction.

[Swifticuffs]

Ignore this, sorry. I'm terrible at using this forum, sorry.

[Swifticuffs]

Because Freeza is the fandom's revenge porn. Hate a character, give them to Freeze so he can torture and humiliate them before throwing them out, so the fandom can savory ever moment.

It's honestly disturbing that you would hate someone so much that you want them to be tortured by a space Hitler.

LOL yes characters a bit arrogant=worst character ever and needs to lose in a horrible & embarrassing way

character who is evil and enjoys hurting their victims I hope this character viciously tortures the character I hate

People really got their priorities on straight!


I mean I like Freeza a lot too as a villain and I think he is being used very well here but I also definitely don't enjoy what he did to Cabba last episode. And I definitely do not want to see Freeza win the TOP (well unless it leads to a compelling challenge story wise) but I am not rooting for him like so many fans seem to be because they think he is cool.

This is fiction and not real life so people act differently towards these characters.

Some of us just like Frieza when he is interacting with a certain type of character. I am sure you can guess which type of character.

I just checked his twitter and there was nothing there about this.

I meant this tweet

@toshio916

I finished writing a cool Vegeta
17:23 - 5 sept. 2017

---

Assuming the ToP lasts until early 2018, then Vegeta might be fighting Jiren early 2018

That could easily be the Toppo episode.

Yeah, considering how long this carries on, I'd say it isn't wrong to hypothesize either way. Toppo won't beat Vegeta I don't think... otherwise that's just, I don't know. Vegeta being behind Jiren, Toppo, Hit and Goku? Unless they use the SDBs to revive everyone, where's the parity? Who can stand up to Goku? The Angels and GoDs? I doubt it. Vegeta and someone else need to keep pace to keep it moderately interesting.

[HeroR]

Well I can't say I was rooting for it to happen but I agree it needed to happen for his character development. Same with Freeza killing Vegeta.

Freeze vs. Vegeta is interesting.

Vegeta has been a little bastard on Namek that he murdered a village of elders and children with a smile on his face (which reminds me that I rooted for Zarbon to beat Vegeta up over that, so three times with the same character) and how he threw Goku to the wolves against the Ginyu Force. You would think seeing karma finally bite Vegeta in the ass would be awesome....instead it was truly horrifying, especially when Vegeta went limp and burst into tears. Probably the first time I cared about Vegeta.

Well I can't say I was rooting for it to happen but I agree it needed to happen for his character development. Same with Freeza killing Vegeta.

Reading this feels so weird, are you trying to say its fine for Vegeta because he needed it for character development but not for Cauli because? and whats exactly wrong with watching a character torture and humilate another character? so long as its entertaining then ride it on, are you trying to mix it in with some real life scenario or something? fiction should stay fiction.

Vegeta got humiliated because he was a terrible character who existed to keep the plot going past it's natural conclusion. Cali is just a cocky punk who had far more redeemable qualities than Vegeta until the Buu Saga.

[Kinokima]

Well I can't say I was rooting for it to happen but I agree it needed to happen for his character development. Same with Freeza killing Vegeta.

Reading this feels so weird, are you trying to say its fine for Vegeta because he needed it for character development but not for Cauli because? and whats exactly wrong with watching a character torture and humilate another character? so long as its entertaining then ride it on, are you trying to mix it in with some real life scenario or something? fiction should stay fiction.

Vegeta is my favorite character but do I need to tell you difference between who Vegeta was in the Freeza arc and who Cauli is?

And no I don't enjoy seeing characters tortured and humiliated not even an evil Vegeta. But from a story perspective I understand why Vegeta was tortured and humiliated. Enjoying something and thinking it leads to a well written development are two very different things. I don't take pleasure from suffering even fictional characters.